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Title: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: Everton News on August 18, 2017, 11:09:21 PM
Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder

Everton and Hajduk Split have both been charged by UEFA after the Croatian fans forced the game to be stopped in the 33rd minute of last night's 2-0 win for the Blues at Goodison Park.

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Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: Danny on August 18, 2017, 11:12:14 PM
Pretty funny the whole 100% white thing considering their best player was the black lad.
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: Bally on August 18, 2017, 11:23:28 PM
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Here are the charges
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: everton1952 on August 18, 2017, 11:28:47 PM
Big fine for us then. Hopefully they will close half of their ground which they had suspended for the Bronby tie. Even better ban them and give us a bye into the next stage.
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: Alanvideo on August 18, 2017, 11:34:20 PM
Think it will only be fines.
We all know if EFC fans had done that ,all English teams ( except Specialcase FC ) would now be banned from Europe.
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: Shogun on August 18, 2017, 11:35:37 PM
Fair enough, plenty of stuff got thrown after they started being bellends
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: Hajduk fan passing by on August 19, 2017, 01:25:05 PM
As far as I could tell - plenty of stuff were thrown before our fans started anything and your own supporter was the 1st one that got to the actual pitch and was the only one arrested. Now, reaction from some of our fans was wrong and they shouldn't have let them be provoked like that, but the main group stopped others from doing anything more that could have really turn out bad.
There are cameras, go through all of them, confirm there were bottles flying towards Torcida or confirm there wasn't any. Tag all our supporters that went over the edge and actually threw a punch or broke a chair and ban those, fine them, idc.
They should have been smarter, but don't generalize the entire fan group let alone entire country and don't act like innocent schoolgirls 'cause not all of your fans are.
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: Escla on August 19, 2017, 01:55:52 PM
As far as I could tell - plenty of stuff were thrown before our fans started anything and your own supporter was the 1st one that got to the actual pitch and was the only one arrested. Now, reaction from some of our fans was wrong and they shouldn't have let them be provoked like that, but the main group stopped others from doing anything more that could have really turn out bad.
There are cameras, go through all of them, confirm there were bottles flying towards Torcida or confirm there wasn't any. Tag all our supporters that went over the edge and actually threw a punch or broke a chair and ban those, fine them, idc.
They should have been smarter, but don't generalize the entire fan group let alone entire country and don't act like innocent schoolgirls 'cause not all of your fans are.
I think there are quite a few inaccuracies in your account of events but all will come out at the Enquiry/probe, it seems that the Split fans have been charged on four accounts and Everton on one account of throwing objects in retaliation, this will be based on evidence from the cameras that you refer to. Just that you know, we have never witnessed scenes like this in forty years at Goodison Park (maybe ever ?) but seems that it happens wherever you go (Hajduk)
Of course the stewards and police may have got it all wrong and perhaps your Torcida just wanted to give football legend Wayne Rooney a hug ?
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: Paddockoldie on August 19, 2017, 02:10:45 PM
As far as I could tell - plenty of stuff were thrown before our fans started anything and your own supporter was the 1st one that got to the actual pitch and was the only one arrested. Now, reaction from some of our fans was wrong and they shouldn't have let them be provoked like that, but the main group stopped others from doing anything more that could have really turn out bad.
There are cameras, go through all of them, confirm there were bottles flying towards Torcida or confirm there wasn't any. Tag all our supporters that went over the edge and actually threw a punch or broke a chair and ban those, fine them, idc.
They should have been smarter, but don't generalize the entire fan group let alone entire country and don't act like innocent schoolgirls 'cause not all of your fans are.



I'm sure Split fans will show us how to behave on home soil in the next game. At least our police and securiity tried to stop it getting out of hand, so I'm sure our fans will be looked after too.
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: Escla on August 19, 2017, 02:19:39 PM

I'm sure Split fans will show us how to behave on home soil in the next game. At least our police and securiity tried to stop it getting out of hand, so I'm sure our fans will be looked after too.

Hope that one day they get to experience the protection of the Lille police force !
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: GoodisonPk on August 19, 2017, 02:23:57 PM
We will get a fine.
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: hamshank33 on August 19, 2017, 02:44:39 PM
Have a like. Just for the school girls bit, it made me chuckle. I yearn for the days I had enough hair for pigtails😜
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: Polledreng on August 19, 2017, 03:51:55 PM
As far as I could tell - plenty of stuff were thrown before our fans started anything and your own supporter was the 1st one that got to the actual pitch and was the only one arrested. Now, reaction from some of our fans was wrong and they shouldn't have let them be provoked like that, but the main group stopped others from doing anything more that could have really turn out bad.
There are cameras, go through all of them, confirm there were bottles flying towards Torcida or confirm there wasn't any. Tag all our supporters that went over the edge and actually threw a punch or broke a chair and ban those, fine them, idc.
They should have been smarter, but don't generalize the entire fan group let alone entire country and don't act like innocent schoolgirls 'cause not all of your fans are.

Has been to Goodison around 50 times including games in Europe games against Liverpool and United. NEVER EVER have I seen scenes like this so it sounds reasonable that it was the Evertons fans to blame......like you blamed UEFA last week .. Realise your fans are scum and its in big numbers. Hope UEFA this time will ban you and not give you a second chance like they did against brøndby.
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: Macca77 on August 19, 2017, 03:54:00 PM
So we will get a slap on the legs and a fine, shit happens, move on
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: Hajduk fan passing by on August 19, 2017, 04:09:57 PM
I don't approve those that did any violent acts, to me they were stupid, challenged or not, but far too many people including our journalists that were amongst the fans wtinessed bottles and coins being thrown at our fans 1st. As said - cameras should tell the truth, idk what exactly happened.
And a ban of an entire stadium is always a wrong choice as far as I'm concerned, no matter what happens. Football is played because of the fans, if some did something wrong - punish them as individuals ( bans, fines, etc. )
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: Rodenplav64 on August 19, 2017, 05:42:57 PM
Weren't Split and Zagreb fans fighting each other during the last Euros ?
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: phillyt on August 19, 2017, 05:49:18 PM
As far as I could tell - plenty of stuff were thrown before our fans started anything and your own supporter was the 1st one that got to the actual pitch and was the only one arrested. Now, reaction from some of our fans was wrong and they shouldn't have let them be provoked like that, but the main group stopped others from doing anything more that could have really turn out bad.
There are cameras, go through all of them, confirm there were bottles flying towards Torcida or confirm there wasn't any. Tag all our supporters that went over the edge and actually threw a punch or broke a chair and ban those, fine them, idc.
They should have been smarter, but don't generalize the entire fan group let alone entire country and don't act like innocent schoolgirls 'cause not all of your fans are.


I do agree with second half of your post, your opening gambit though is total bullshit. There were coins lighters and bottles raining down on us before anything went back. In fact the spark of the Everton fans angst, certainly in the area I was in, was the little lad getting struck. That is when the Everton fans in the corner realised what was going on and a few bottles went back.  (Not excusing that but the reaction was minor in comparison). There was lots posturing from both sides but after the initial throwing, the police and stewards came in and calmed it down then most of our ire was aimed at them seemingly allowing behaviour they would normally stop (standing on seats, smoking etc). Not a problem to me and I can understand the tactical reasons for letting it go. 

The aggression came from hadjuk fans most Everton fans (certainly around me) before that were admiring the passion and atmosphere created by the  Torcida.

I have seen a couple of suggestions that the hadjuk fans were giving "seig heil"salutes which I couldn't see or hear, can you clear up is that a part of your chanting repertoire or are those people mistaken. Also the 100% white thing I have read its reference to your home kit. Is that true or are your fans just a bit racist?

As I alluded to above either side of the little altercation your fans were great entertainment (assuming no hitler salutes and racism). It's just disappointing to see hadjuk try to blame Everton fans when it's clear as day who the aggressors were.
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: starblood on August 19, 2017, 06:28:11 PM
As far as I could tell - plenty of stuff were thrown before our fans started anything and your own supporter was the 1st one that got to the actual pitch and was the only one arrested. Now, reaction from some of our fans was wrong and they shouldn't have let them be provoked like that, but the main group stopped others from doing anything more that could have really turn out bad.
There are cameras, go through all of them, confirm there were bottles flying towards Torcida or confirm there wasn't any. Tag all our supporters that went over the edge and actually threw a punch or broke a chair and ban those, fine them, idc.
They should have been smarter, but don't generalize the entire fan group let alone entire country and don't act like innocent schoolgirls 'cause not all of your fans are.

Very considered wording here - but you don't actually say that you were there, in with the Split fans at Goodison on Thursday?
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: BlueBeagle on August 19, 2017, 06:33:53 PM
Has been to Goodison around 50 times including games in Europe games against Liverpool and United. NEVER EVER have I seen scenes like this so it sounds reasonable that it was the Evertons fans to blame......like you blamed UEFA last week .. Realise your fans are scum and its in big numbers. Hope UEFA this time will ban you and not give you a second chance like they did against brøndby.

You're acting like they stopped off on the way to the ground and pissed on your front garden.

Why are you taking it so personally?
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: Polledreng on August 19, 2017, 06:47:04 PM
You're acting like they stopped off on the way to the ground and pissed on your front garden.

Why are you taking it so personally?
Seen the Danish men handball team attacked by fans In Croatia seen my son getting attacked by Bosnian parents for making a hard tackle  in a football game  seen coins and lighters thrown at Danish fans and players when playing womens handball in Croatia just to name a few- As stated earlier some of my sons best friends are Bosnian, but once they get near a football pitch they complete switch personality. I know that, but when some then try to blame Everton (and UEFA) I take it personally. Glad you think its OK. Wish you a good trip to Split. Croatia is a lovely country - so are the people as long as its got nothing to do with sport ..... never our fault .... I've heard that a few times to many
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: BlueBeagle on August 19, 2017, 07:12:17 PM
Seen the Danish men handball team attacked by fans In Croatia seen my son getting attacked by Bosnian parents for making a hard tackle  in a football game  seen coins and lighters thrown at Danish fans and players when playing womens handball in Croatia just to name a few- As stated earlier some of my sons best friends are Bosnian, but once they get near a football pitch they complete switch personality. I know that, but when some then try to blame Everton (and UEFA) I take it personally. Glad you think its OK. Wish you a good trip to Split. Croatia is a lovely country - so are the people as long as its got nothing to do with sport ..... never our fault .... I've heard that a few times to many

Absolutely none of that is relevant to thursday but alright
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: Hajduk fan passing by on August 19, 2017, 09:33:00 PM
I do agree with second half of your post, your opening gambit though is total bullshit. There were coins lighters and bottles raining down on us before anything went back. In fact the spark of the Everton fans angst, certainly in the area I was in, was the little lad getting struck. That is when the Everton fans in the corner realised what was going on and a few bottles went back.  (Not excusing that but the reaction was minor in comparison). There was lots posturing from both sides but after the initial throwing, the police and stewards came in and calmed it down then most of our ire was aimed at them seemingly allowing behaviour they would normally stop (standing on seats, smoking etc). Not a problem to me and I can understand the tactical reasons for letting it go. 

The aggression came from hadjuk fans most Everton fans (certainly around me) before that were admiring the passion and atmosphere created by the  Torcida.

I have seen a couple of suggestions that the hadjuk fans were giving "seig heil"salutes which I couldn't see or hear, can you clear up is that a part of your chanting repertoire or are those people mistaken. Also the 100% white thing I have read its reference to your home kit. Is that true or are your fans just a bit racist?

As I alluded to above either side of the little altercation your fans were great entertainment (assuming no hitler salutes and racism). It's just disappointing to see hadjuk try to blame Everton fans when it's clear as day who the aggressors were.

I wasn't there so can't say what happened for sure, just passing by impressions by those that were there. And no, "100% white" has no relations with racism as white is our main color, they're promoting this new grey(ish) jersey as it's a new one and want to kick start its sales. And no, sieg heil salutes aren't a part of any chants, but putting your hand in front is, some do that, some spread their arms, etc. There's no racism here, for fak sake - we had 3 black players in our squad, and don't you think you'd hear some racism chants if it were so?
Anyway, great game Everton, you've taken opportunities of 2 of our faults ( tackles lost ) and I just hope that with someof our 1st team coming back from injuries or the next one - we should still make it interesting 'till the end.
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: Paddockoldie on August 19, 2017, 10:26:50 PM
Has been to Goodison around 50 times including games in Europe games against Liverpool and United. NEVER EVER have I seen scenes like this so it sounds reasonable that it was the Evertons fans to blame......like you blamed UEFA last week .. Realise your fans are scum and its in big numbers. Hope UEFA this time will ban you and not give you a second chance like they did against brøndby.

If you ever went in the late 70's to mid 80's you'd have seen worse at Goodison. Park End stands went off quite often and other parts of the ground. Our place was feared mate, especially night games. I remember some serious incidents. This game was nothing in comparison
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: Polledreng on August 19, 2017, 10:35:34 PM
If you ever went in the late 70's to mid 80's you'd have seen worse at Goodison. Park End stands went off quite often and other parts of the ground. Our place was feared mate, especially night games. I remember some serious incidents. This game was nothing in comparison
Didn't go then... First game at Goodison was when Bakayoko made his debut against Liverpool. Every place in the 70ties and 80ties was ugly and happy to see that part of the game has vanished from the English game.
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: Paddockoldie on August 19, 2017, 10:39:00 PM
Didn't go then... First game at Goodison was when Bakayoko made his debut against Liverpool. Every place in the 70ties and 80ties was ugly and happy to see that part of the game has vanished from the English game.

It's not vanished, just changed and is less reported than before to not glamorise it, but it still goes on away from the ground. Football's tribal
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: phillyt on August 19, 2017, 10:42:03 PM
I wasn't there so can't say what happened for sure, just passing by impressions by those that were there. And no, "100% white" has no relations with racism as white is our main color, they're promoting this new grey(ish) jersey as it's a new one and want to kick start its sales. And no, sieg heil salutes aren't a part of any chants, but putting your hand in front is, some do that, some spread their arms, etc. There's no racism here, for fak sake - we had 3 black players in our squad, and don't you think you'd hear some racism chants if it were so?
Anyway, great game Everton, you've taken opportunities of 2 of our faults ( tackles lost ) and I just hope that with someof our 1st team coming back from injuries or the next one - we should still make it interesting 'till the end.
I wasnt having a go.  I was just questioning it as I had seen both accusations levelled at your fans but having been right next to the away fans had seen nothing untoward (outside of the previously discussed mischief). Quite often in England the racist card is thrown around to easily and i didn't get the impression split fans were about that.

Hopefully when the dust settles the hadjuk fans and split locals can just accept what happened wasn't down to Everton fans and allow our great away support to come to your lovely looking city take over your square with flags and songs, spend fortunes in your local bars and have a great time without getting into a rumble. I doubt it tho and I suspect some of our bigger boys may be involved in some playtime.
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: Hajduk fan passing by on August 20, 2017, 03:03:11 PM
Idk what will happen, majority of our fans are normal, a bit crazy when it comes to supporting our club but within boundaries, but there will always be some hot heads, those younger ones of course.
Not sure the police itself will allow you guys to walk freely in the middle of the town as they don't want to risk it and you guys will probably be surrounded by cops entire time as a measure of precaution and kept in places where they can control the situation ( a beach or something like that ).
Anyway, I'm not expecting any incidents at all as we all know we're under big radar of UEFA that still has to decide about our punishment for this and are hoping that by everything going well in the 2nd game - they may be softer when deciding what our punishment will actually be.
Btw, I haven't seen it - but have our fans lit up any flares during the game? Just curious
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: Escla on August 20, 2017, 03:07:01 PM
No there were no flares, we don't allow them in the ground, why do you allow them, they are dangerous and distracting ?
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: Hajduk fan passing by on August 20, 2017, 03:16:22 PM
We don't allow them either, although they always sneak them in if they want to, there are many ways of doing so. Just glad they decided not to given what UEA thinks of them.
And flares, if not thrown but burnt out while being kept in the hands for entire time - are no danger to anyone, but guess you never held one
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: Escla on August 20, 2017, 03:21:35 PM
If they are not allowed why don't you just ban the people that use them ? No I have never held a flare
I would perhaps if I were stranded at sea but what has a flare got to do with a football match ? And there are more than enough videos showing you don't always hold them in your hand, you often throw them on the pitch.
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: Hajduk fan passing by on August 20, 2017, 03:26:31 PM
Yea, those that throw them are morons in my book, not arguing about it, and it does happen. But using them gives a special spice to entire cheer, it literally lightens up all fan stands.
Kk, it's a bit hard to breethe when you're surrounded by smoke, can't exactly see what's happening on the pitch - but if it encourages entire stadium ( and it does ) to cheer even more stronger - then it's worth it.
Just as long as flares aren't thrown, and as you said - it does happen, hopefully those will learn
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on August 20, 2017, 03:45:52 PM
@Hajduk fan passing by (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=6638) Absolute bollocks saying Everton fans were throwing things.
Mirallas was having lighters and empty bottles thrown at him when he was taking a corner at the PE, this was long before all the away fans decided to jump hoarding and try and attack our fans.

Don't even try and kid that it was just a couple of fans, it was about 1/5 of your whole support, and that was just the people that managed to get over the hoardings.
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: Escla on August 20, 2017, 03:57:26 PM
Yea, those that throw them are morons in my book, not arguing about it, and it does happen. But using them gives a special spice to entire cheer, it literally lightens up all fan stands.
Kk, it's a bit hard to breethe when you're surrounded by smoke, can't exactly see what's happening on the pitch - but if it encourages entire stadium ( and it does ) to cheer even more stronger - then it's worth it.
Just as long as flares aren't thrown, and as you said - it does happen, hopefully those will learn

"It's a bit hard to breath and you can't exactly see what's happening on the pitch" sounds like great fun, I know that if anyone sitting near me were to even pull a flare out of his pocket he would be bundled out before he had a chance to ignite it, why don't the police do a pat down of your Tocida when they are entering the stadium, are they afraid of them ? Why don't the Croatian FA say that if flares are thrown on the pitch the match will be abandoned, would that not help ?


Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: Hajduk fan passing by on August 20, 2017, 04:05:31 PM
Almost each person entering the stadium is patted down, but they always find a way, and 99% of flares lit on our stadium are on the north stand, where ultras are, so if you don't like them near you - go to some other stand. And plenty of fines the cub got for flares from our FA, and things have gotten a bit better in the last few years, but they're a part of cheering history and not likely to vanish completely
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: Escla on August 20, 2017, 04:17:03 PM
Idk what will happen, majority of our fans are normal, a bit crazy when it comes to supporting our club but within boundaries, but there will always be some hot heads, those younger ones of course.
Not sure the police itself will allow you guys to walk freely in the middle of the town as they don't want to risk it and you guys will probably be surrounded by cops entire time as a measure of precaution and kept in places where they can control the situation ( a beach or something like that ).
Anyway, I'm not expecting any incidents at all as we all know we're under big radar of UEFA that still has to decide about our punishment for this and are hoping that by everything going well in the 2nd game - they may be softer when deciding what our punishment will actually be.
Btw, I haven't seen it - but have our fans lit up any flares during the game? Just curious

You were under the big radar of UEFA last Thursday but that didn't stop your fans getting four further charges, that can hardly help your case when they decide your punishment for the Brondby incidents so why would you expect better behaviour next week? I think it's a pity for all those Evertonians that have paid so much money partly to see your beautiful city that they will be corralled and forbidden to see it, your fans enjoyed freedom of the City in Liverpool and were treated with respect. I will just be glad when next Thursday is over and we never have to play you guys again untill you have got your act together.
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: Audrey Horne on August 20, 2017, 04:51:14 PM
Hajduk fan having a mare here. You cant defend them, awful fans.
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: TTT on August 20, 2017, 09:06:19 PM
If you read some of the comments on the youtube videos, split fans are allready predicting a bloodbath for the return, Everton fans need to be organised,  football violence was a way of life for me in the 80s with everton, but the return leg as got trouble wrote all over it. Whoevers going be carefull boys, seriously. 
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: Shropshire Blue on August 20, 2017, 09:42:12 PM
Hajduk fan having a mare here. You cant defend them, awful fans.
Like a modern version of Custer''s last stand - no chance of winning but fighting (not literally this time) to the end.
Like others have said on here this was nothing compared to the 60''s,  70''s and 80''s and I've been within a few feet of Everton flares last season and seen agressive provocative behaviour. It's unrealistic to believe the risk of violence is ever far from the surface at any game. It's a passionate sport and passion can always spill over.
One thought about the current debate - I wonder if recent experiences of war in that part of the world mean this level of violence is trivialised by comparing to other events? Different culture, different values?
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: MrWhite on August 20, 2017, 09:49:42 PM
Like a modern version of Custer''s last stand - no chance of winning but fighting (not literally this time) to the end.
Like others have said on here this was nothing compared to the 60''s,  70''s and 80''s and I've been within a few feet of Everton flares last season and seen agressive provocative behaviour. It's unrealistic to believe the risk of violence is ever far from the surface at any game. It's a passionate sport and passion can always spill over.
One thought about the current debate - I wonder if recent experiences of war in that part of the world mean this level of violence is trivialised by comparing to other events? Different culture, different values?

I nearly mentioned the recent flares in our crowds.

It's a good point about cultures and recent events. It does still go on over here, but for most people it's not part of their culture now so the presence of cameras and media at our level has driven it away from the grounds. If you've lived through war in your country then that would support the idea that football violence is a minor thing. It may well be a bit more complex than a simple graph of 'time since war' and 'likelihood of violence in the ground' though.

Sounds like a good topic for someone's degree thesis.
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: BlueBeagle on August 20, 2017, 09:50:31 PM
this was long before all the away fans decided to jump hoarding and try and attack our fans.

Giving them a bit too much credit there.

They jumped over, waved their arms a bit and then ran back to the stand.

They clearly weren't interested in having a serious go at any point.
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on August 20, 2017, 09:54:10 PM
Giving them a bit too much credit there.

They jumped over, waved their arms a bit and then ran back to the stand.

They clearly weren't interested in having a serious go at any point.

A steward got punched in the face though, a chair got threw and plenty of adults (and kids) got hit with coins and bottles etc.
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: BlueBeagle on August 20, 2017, 10:16:52 PM
A steward got punched in the face though, a chair got threw and plenty of adults (and kids) got hit with coins and bottles etc.

Yeah exactly.

'Trying to attack our fans' makes it sound a lot less pathetic than it actually was.
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: Paddockoldie on August 20, 2017, 11:02:15 PM
If anyone's going and expects their police to protect them they are on to a hiding, literally. The split scallies punch fuck out of them and seem to have no fear... keep safe lads but it's not the place to go if you don't expect trouble.
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: Escla on August 20, 2017, 11:28:08 PM
Like a modern version of Custer''s last stand - no chance of winning but fighting (not literally this time) to the end.
Like others have said on here this was nothing compared to the 60''s,  70''s and 80''s and I've been within a few feet of Everton flares last season and seen agressive provocative behaviour. It's unrealistic to believe the risk of violence is ever far from the surface at any game. It's a passionate sport and passion can always spill over.
One thought about the current debate - I wonder if recent experiences of war in that part of the world mean this level of violence is trivialised by comparing to other events? Different culture, different values?

I must have missed that game last season when flares were set off, which game was it and against who ?
not that there is any equivalence between an isolated incident and the multiple firing of on a weekly basis,
unless you think like Donald Trump of course.
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: MrWhite on August 21, 2017, 12:25:29 AM
I must have missed that game last season when flares were set off, which game was it and against who ?
not that there is any equivalence between an isolated incident and the multiple firing of on a weekly basis,
unless you think like Donald Trump of course.
Has happened more than once in the last few years.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/everton-fans-illegal-flare-singed-7992743

I don't think he was suggesting any equilavence, simply countering the assertion that all Everton fans are saints.
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: brap2 on August 21, 2017, 12:39:09 AM
"It's a bit hard to breath and you can't exactly see what's happening on the pitch" sounds like great fun, I know that if anyone sitting near me were to even pull a flare out of his pocket he would be bundled out before he had a chance to ignite it, why don't the police do a pat down of your Tocida when they are entering the stadium, are they afraid of them ? Why don't the Croatian FA say that if flares are thrown on the pitch the match will be abandoned, would that not help ?




Why are you grilling him? What do you want him to say?
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: Escla on August 21, 2017, 12:40:41 AM
Has happened more than once in the last few years.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/everton-fans-illegal-flare-singed-7992743

I don't think he was suggesting any equilavence, simply countering the assertion that all Everton fans are saints.

That incident was at Wembley and the smack head was arrested, I would like Shropshire Blue to tell me which game at Goodison last season because I really can't remember it ?
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: Escla on August 21, 2017, 12:42:04 AM
Why are you grilling him? What do you want him to say?

We are having a discussion, an exchange of views between him and me, what's your problem ?
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on August 21, 2017, 12:43:32 AM
I'll be honest I can remember a flair going off at Goodison or away in the past 2 years at some point, I can't remember where or when, I just remember looking over and thinking "it's not even blue smoke, it's purple"

Edit: I'm 99% sure it was away from home.
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: GLewis on August 21, 2017, 12:49:26 AM
There's been loads of flares in the last few years. Mainly at away games.

Lpool chucked some flares on the pitch at Goodison last season when Mane scored.
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: BlueBeagle on August 21, 2017, 12:54:18 AM
There was a spell a few years ago when there was a blue smoke bomb at most away games and the odd home game.

Totally different to flares are there is no flame.

Never bothered me when one is going off after we've scored a goal. The smoke soon clears.
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: brap2 on August 21, 2017, 12:59:32 AM
We are having a discussion, an exchange of views between him and me, what's your problem ?

He doesn't seem to have an opposing view.
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: Escla on August 21, 2017, 01:00:50 AM
I'll be honest I can remember a flair going off at Goodison or away in the past 2 years at some point, I can't remember where or when, I just remember looking over and thinking "it's not even blue smoke, it's purple"

Edit: I'm 99% sure it was away from home.

Probably the Wembley one, the guy that was carrying cocaine.
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: Escla on August 21, 2017, 01:02:19 AM
He doesn't seem to have an opposing view.

Which is not entirely true but fine if he does, it's just an exchange of opinions.
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: BlueBeagle on August 21, 2017, 01:05:12 AM
the guy that was carrying cocaine.

What's that got to do with anything?
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: Paddockoldie on August 21, 2017, 01:07:19 AM
Flares were very popular throughout the 70's I remember. There was a period in the 80's when they became something else and I remember Leeds away when one was fired in to their home end where they stood on their seats??? Odd bunch back then. Singed one poor lads 3 star jumper.
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: Escla on August 21, 2017, 01:24:08 AM
What's that got to do with anything?

Just that I think you have to either be a bit mental or a smack head to do such a thing, no "normal" "typical" Everton supporter would do something like that.
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: Shropshire Blue on August 21, 2017, 01:27:09 AM
I must have missed that game last season when flares were set off, which game was it and against who ?
not that there is any equivalence between an isolated incident and the multiple firing of on a weekly basis,
unless you think like Donald Trump of course.
It was an away game and I can't remember which one. Sorry, I can remember another one but that was further away from me.
Donald Trump? If I start to think like him I promise to leave this forum and spend the rest of my days on GOT.
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: Lazarou on August 21, 2017, 01:29:40 AM
I was at Boro in the Everton end in the Capital One Cup, some kind gentleman let a blue flare off right at my feet, you cannot get that shit of your white trainers, they were ruined.

Good game though.
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: BlueBeagle on August 21, 2017, 01:36:32 AM
Just that I think you have to either be a bit mental or a smack head to do such a thing, no "normal" "typical" Everton supporter would do something like that.

I guarantee you there was hundreds, if not thousands, of Evertonians on beak at Wembley.

You obviously don't get out and about much do you? Think everyone in a locked toilet cubicle is doing a shite? lolol
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: Escla on August 21, 2017, 01:43:27 AM
I guarantee you there was hundreds, if not thousands, of Evertonians on beak at Wembley.

You obviously don't get out and about much do you? Think everyone in a locked toilet cubicle is doing a shite? lolol

I get out and about in London more than you could imagine but don't socialise with smack heads, do you ?
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: Audrey Horne on August 21, 2017, 01:47:24 AM
I get out and about in London more than you could imagine but don't socialise with smack heads, do you ?

Doing coke now and again doesnt make you a smack head
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: BlueBeagle on August 21, 2017, 01:49:39 AM
I get out and about in London more than you could imagine but don't socialise with smack heads, do you ?

You are aware that the definition of a smackhead is someone that uses Heroin? lolol lolol lolol
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: Escla on August 21, 2017, 02:05:36 AM
You are aware that the definition of a smackhead is someone that uses Heroin? lolol lolol lolol

No, not as familiar with the drug scene as you are, apparently it was Cocaine, so that's o.k . Is it ?
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: BlueBeagle on August 21, 2017, 02:16:22 AM
No, not as familiar with the drug scene as you are, apparently it was Cocaine, so that's o.k . Is it ?

Fine by me yeah, I'm not arsed in the slightest.
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: ally2 on August 21, 2017, 02:16:41 AM
Ironic how we appear to be arguing with each other.  Just like their fans fighting each other.
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: ally2 on August 21, 2017, 02:18:15 AM
Flares were very popular throughout the 70's I remember. There was a period in the 80's when they became something else and I remember Leeds away when one was fired in to their home end where they stood on their seats??? Odd bunch back then. Singed one poor lads 3 star jumper.

Absolutely.  Along with tank tops, mullets and the disco scene
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: Paddockoldie on August 21, 2017, 03:21:58 AM
No, not as familiar with the drug scene as you are, apparently it was Cocaine, so that's o.k . Is it ?

Going to museums and art exhibitions isn't really the getting out and about much being referred to. Each to their own though lad, even in London Town
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: Jimmywhack on August 21, 2017, 03:24:19 AM
No, not as familiar with the drug scene as you are, apparently it was Cocaine, so that's o.k . Is it ?
Nowadays mate, cocaine is the equivalent of nipping out for a pint
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: Shogun on August 21, 2017, 03:32:18 AM
Nowadays mate, cocaine is the equivalent of nipping out for a pint

It's not like
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: Escla on August 21, 2017, 03:39:07 AM
Going to museums and art exhibitions isn't really the getting out and about much being referred to. Each to their own though lad, even in London Town
And making such a dumb fucking assumption as that suggests to me that you're hardly worldly wise, so in your mind London is all about museums and exhibitions then eh ? Get a life
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: Jimmywhack on August 21, 2017, 03:48:42 AM
It's not like
Is round here
There's not many at a weekend not on it, and not just kids, arl arses too

At the game it's rife as fuck, there's lads sniffing off their hands in the street and no way that many lads go for a Shit during a match
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: hannu on August 21, 2017, 03:52:17 AM
It's not like

I know more people that have a line than dont
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: Paddockoldie on August 21, 2017, 03:54:16 AM
And making such a dumb fucking assumption as that suggests to me that you're hardly worldly wise, so in your mind London is all about museums and exhibitions then eh ? Get a life

Only teasing fella. Not knowing the difference between smack and cocaine but still calling someone a smack head does you no favours though lad. Anyway..
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on August 21, 2017, 03:55:22 AM
I know more people that have a line than dont

A few years ago id say the same.

Unfortunately I'm a boring bastard now, who has 3 kids and doesn't get out much.

My wife's fit though, so that helps cure the boredom.


Edit: just to add, I'd say I'm quite a respectable upstanding citizen nowadays, but in my late teens and early 20s I sniffed an absolute shit load of coke, I mean every single Friday and Saturday, most my salary went on booze and coke.

Everyone has a past.
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: Escla on August 21, 2017, 03:55:46 AM
Is round here
There's not many at a weekend not on it, and not just kids, arl arses too

At the game it's rife as fuck, there's lads sniffing off their hands in the street and no way that many lads go for a Shit during a match

Clearly doesn't happen in Upper Gwladys then, there's only two shitters on the whole floor !
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: hannu on August 21, 2017, 03:58:56 AM
A few years ago id say the same.

Unfortunately I'm a boring bastard now, who has 3 kids and doesn't get out much.

My wife's fit though, so that helps cure the boredom.

quite a few teachers in know have it, a copper a doctor couple nurses nurses, so its not just scallies who like a bit
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: Escla on August 21, 2017, 04:14:43 AM
quite a few teachers in know have it, a copper a doctor couple nurses nurses, so its not just scallies who like a bit

And City boys, Bankers and politicians too so I guess what I am saying is that thank god I had and have a happy and enjoyable enough life that I don't  need to resort to class A drugs to feel happy.
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: Lazarou on August 21, 2017, 04:19:39 AM
Nowadays mate, cocaine is the equivalent of nipping out for a pint
Not in my world, thankfully.
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: MrWhite on August 21, 2017, 04:27:07 AM
That incident was at Wembley and the smack head was arrested, I would like Shropshire Blue to tell me which game at Goodison last season because I really can't remember it ?

For some reason you seem to have moved on from being upset (understandably) with the muppet trying to defend the cunts from Split, to demanding answers from other Evertonians on subjects because.. what? You think Shropshire Blue was lying? That using drugs somehow invalidates your right to support the club? That anything outside of your personal experience can't possibly have happened?

GLewis answered your question about the flare at Goodison last season. I see you ignored that while replying to the others.
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: MrWhite on August 21, 2017, 04:28:51 AM
And City boys, Bankers and politicians too so I guess what I am saying is that thank god I had and have a happy and enjoyable enough life that I don't  need to resort to class A drugs to feel happy.

Good for you. Are you teetotal? I hope so otherwise your post would make you look like a hypocrite.
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on August 21, 2017, 07:06:49 AM
Don't know what all the fuss is about, this Hajduk fan can't wait for us 'toffees' to come over, delightful chap.

https://twitter.com/kalmetaglogoski/status/898833576610983936
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: Shropshire Blue on August 21, 2017, 07:37:07 AM
Looks like their coaches stopped in Cromer for a toilet stop on the way to the ferry.
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: gizzblue on August 21, 2017, 03:10:04 PM
There's been loads of flares in the last few years. Mainly at away games.

Lpool chucked some flares on the pitch at Goodison last season when Mane scored.
Fucking Norweigens.
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on August 21, 2017, 03:33:21 PM
Not a bit racist this lot  :whistle:

https://twitter.com/kalmetaglogoski/status/898906723477594112


Some of his retweets are ridiculous, he's going mental at the 'Islamist rats' because they were showing some Dutch kids how to pray in a Mosque haha. I was starting to give their fan base the benefit of doubt, but tbh, when you click on the names of the other Hadjuk supporters he tags, they all say similar things.
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: Macca77 on August 21, 2017, 03:40:45 PM
I fear for our fans over there, stay safe
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: Jamokachi on August 21, 2017, 04:24:26 PM
Not a bit racist this lot  :whistle:

https://twitter.com/kalmetaglogoski/status/898906723477594112

What an almighty prick that guy is!
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: Gary1878 on August 21, 2017, 04:42:35 PM
I wouldn't bother going as the safety aspect would just destroy any enjoyment of the trip. Croatians on the whole are really friendly, and it is a wonderful country, but this lot are really letting themselves down. I am sure some of our hardcore fans will make the trip but there is no way you can take family over.
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: SANA_DR0 on August 21, 2017, 04:57:59 PM
Clearly doesn't happen in Upper Gwladys then, there's only two shitters on the whole floor !


surely 2 toilets between 8000 fans breaches some kind of health and safety regulations,

For some reason you seem to have moved on from being upset (understandably) with the muppet trying to defend the cunts from Split, to demanding answers from other Evertonians on subjects because.. what? You think Shropshire Blue was lying? That using drugs somehow invalidates your right to support the club? That anything outside of your personal experience can't possibly have happened?

GLewis answered your question about the flare at Goodison last season. I see you ignored that while replying to the others.


Good for you. Are you teetotal? I hope so otherwise your post would make you look like a hypocrite.

anyone has the right to support who they want, regardless of what they chose to take or not take,  especially when the biggest drug in the world, is not even classed as a drug, and it causes the most damage/issues... SUGAR..

no one is Tee total if they're sugar junkies..
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: Mick 1995 on August 21, 2017, 05:06:42 PM
Does nobody remember the "No pyro, no party" slogan the lids we're all using for the away games a seaon or 2 back? It was rife at most away games.

Can't get a handle on you @Escla (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=5210) , you sound like you're of a decent age and have seen/know a lot about the blues. But, sometimes, you don't half come out with some stuff that makes me stare at the screen and wonder if you're actually 10 years old (or fucking 80 years old). It's like there are 2 people using your account.
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: Macca77 on August 21, 2017, 05:08:12 PM
2nd leg is live on ITV4 so we will all be able to see their fans causing mayhem again
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: pjk on August 21, 2017, 05:17:38 PM
Excellent news, that it's on the Telly. ;D
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on August 21, 2017, 05:50:11 PM
I'm starting to have some real concerns for our fans now.

Secondary to that, I'm concerned that we could be going in to a very hostile environment with only a 2 goal lead.
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: Marky Mark and the funky on August 21, 2017, 05:56:51 PM
Weren't Split and Zagreb fans fighting each other during the last Euros ?

This is an older post but it sums it up nicely for me. The Croatian fans fighting each other is a factual event, I'd love to know if it was definitely Hajduk Split fans involved, not to tar them all with the same brush but you have to feel for the travelling Evertonians.
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: Escla on August 21, 2017, 08:53:38 PM
For some reason you seem to have moved on from being upset (understandably) with the muppet trying to defend the cunts from Split, to demanding answers from other Evertonians on subjects because.. what? You think Shropshire Blue was lying? That using drugs somehow invalidates your right to support the club? That anything outside of your personal experience can't possibly have happened?

GLewis answered your question about the flare at Goodison last season. I see you ignored that while replying to the others.

Just to square this one off and clarify, then back on topic,
A) Re Shropshire Blue, wasn't accusing him of lying, simply didn't recall a flare being thrown at GP last season, wasn't at every game so was asking which one.
B) G. Lewis did not answer that question, reffered to another incident so didn't respond
D) Shropshire Blue then answered saying it was probably an away game, fair enough.
E) Did not say using Cocaine invalidates your right to support, said those flare throwers were probably on drugs (or smackheads which is not the correct term)
F) Can't comment on your last point, doesn't mean anything to me.
That's about it.
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: Escla on August 21, 2017, 08:56:43 PM
Good for you. Are you teetotal? I hope so otherwise your post would make you look like a hypocrite.

Oops, might as well reply to this too whilst squaring this one off.
No, am not tee total, enjoy a couple of pints down the pub and on match days, nice glass of red with dinner couple of times a week, I don't need it to make me happy I enjoy the taste.
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: MrWhite on August 21, 2017, 09:52:05 PM
Just to square this one off and clarify, then back on topic,
A) Re Shropshire Blue, wasn't accusing him of lying, simply didn't recall a flare being thrown at GP last season, wasn't at every game so was asking which one.
B) G. Lewis did not answer that question, reffered to another incident so didn't respond
D) Shropshire Blue then answered saying it was probably an away game, fair enough.
E) Did not say using Cocaine invalidates your right to support, said those flare throwers were probably on drugs (or smackheads which is not the correct term)
F) Can't comment on your last point, doesn't mean anything to me.
That's about it.

Fair enough on most of those points. Some to query though..

GLewis did answer your question about flares at Goodison last season:

There's been loads of flares in the last few years. Mainly at away games.

Lpool chucked some flares on the pitch at Goodison last season when Mane scored.

It's nice that you have come back all reasonable today, but I think @Mick 1995 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=390) is right, you do seem to have bad moments where you start having a go at other posters, like you have two different personalities.

Personally I find it amusing that you say you like a drink of red wine because you 'enjoy' it but not because it makes you 'happy'. Your comments about drugs yesterday suggest you see alcohol as something other than a chemical that has a psychoactive effect, while apparently (again, from your comments) labelling 'drugs' as something else, bad, evil, etc. Namely the actions of an Evertonian throwing a flare don't count for some reason, because he was on drugs; And that anyone who uses drugs must 'need' them to be happy, rather than simply considering it a tipple they enjoy, much as you enjoy your pint or glass of wine. It's a shame that you don't seem to acknowledge that alcohol causes far more problems in our society than 'drugs' ever has.

Finally, you seem to have missed out 'C' in your listing of points. Perhaps that because you've decided that cocaine is a proper noun?
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: Audrey Horne on August 21, 2017, 10:05:51 PM
Oops, might as well reply to this too whilst squaring this one off.
No, am not tee total, enjoy a couple of pints down the pub and on match days, nice glass of red with dinner couple of times a week, I don't need it to make me happy I enjoy the taste.

Why you being so high and mighty about this??
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: hannu on August 21, 2017, 10:37:15 PM
Oops, might as well reply to this too whilst squaring this one off.
No, am not tee total, enjoy a couple of pints down the pub and on match days, nice glass of red with dinner couple of times a week, I don't need it to make me happy I enjoy the taste.

no one likes the taste of red wine its like drinking vinegar, Alcohol is a drug, lets face it you are just a drug addict and by your own reckoning that makes you a smack head ;)
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: Marky Mark and the funky on August 21, 2017, 10:38:38 PM
New poster about to wade into deep territory here.

I have absolutely zero problem with anyone doing anything that makes them feel happy, as long as they are not harming anyone else. Cut out all the shit about what it does to your brain, I agree anything mind altering to make you temporarily 'happier' is altering your brain.

Personally I am a pretty bad alcoholic. I'm probably on about 3 litres of beer at the moment. I've renounced society and having a working life for a year in favour of staying drunk as much as possible whilst watching my bank account empty. I've had a best mate snort lines in front of me and only felt upset because he never offered me any :tongue:

The final point is, I am not against blow or anyone that is using it, it is how you can use it knowing what it takes to get it into your hands that bugs me eh?

None of you know me and vice versa so please don't feel attacked, perhaps I just am kidding myself the distinction between me drinking into a stupor and someone snorting into euphoria is how many folk have to die per litre of piss produced compared to how many folks die per kilo of cola produced :-\

Sorry if I'm de-railing the thread but it's already happening, I'd be happy to discuss elsewhere with no one being judgemental to each other :love:
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: Escla on August 21, 2017, 10:45:55 PM
Fair enough on most of those points. Some to query though..

GLewis did answer your question about flares at Goodison last season:

It's nice that you have come back all reasonable today, but I think @Mick 1995 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=390) is right, you do seem to have bad moments where you start having a go at other posters, like you have two different personalities.

Personally I find it amusing that you say you like a drink of red wine because you 'enjoy' it but not because it makes you 'happy'. Your comments about drugs yesterday suggest you see alcohol as something other than a chemical that has a psychoactive effect, while apparently (again, from your comments) labelling 'drugs' as something else, bad, evil, etc. Namely the actions of an Evertonian throwing a flare don't count for some reason, because he was on drugs; And that anyone who uses drugs must 'need' them to be happy, rather than simply considering it a tipple they enjoy, much as you enjoy your pint or glass of wine. It's a shame that you don't seem to acknowledge that alcohol causes far more problems in our society than 'drugs' ever has.

Finally, you seem to have missed out 'C' in your listing of points. Perhaps that because you've decided that cocaine is a proper noun?
Jeez, you sure do analyse things to death, are you an amateur phsychologist ? Like I said , I just wanted to square your post off, take it , or leave it, read into my post whatever you want, that's fine by me.
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: Escla on August 21, 2017, 10:47:43 PM
Why you being so high and mighty about this??
Didn't intend to appear high and mighty ? He said he hoped I was tee total, I just said I wasn't, no offence intended there.
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: Audrey Horne on August 21, 2017, 10:48:53 PM
Didn't intend to appear high and mighty ? He said he hoped I was tee total, I just said I wasn't, no offence intended there.

You sound it a bit when you say you dont need it to make you happy.... you dont know why people take drugs or drink alcohol. I dont think judging people who do it to excess is right.
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: Escla on August 21, 2017, 10:54:43 PM
O.k. See your point, was just coming at it from the point that possession/dealing in cocaine is an imprisonable offence = bad,  possession/dealing in alcohol = a pastime accepted as a norm = o.k.
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: MrWhite on August 21, 2017, 11:17:28 PM
Jeez, you sure do analyse things to death, are you an amateur phsychologist ? Like I said , I just wanted to square your post off, take it , or leave it, read into my post whatever you want, that's fine by me.
More of an amateur linguist.
Fair enough, let's move on and be friends?
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: Escla on August 21, 2017, 11:37:44 PM
More of an amateur linguist.
Fair enough, let's move on and be friends?

Bezzies again :hug:
Title: Re: [News]Everton charged over Hajduk Split fans disorder
Post by: Hajduk fan passing by on August 22, 2017, 02:48:10 AM
Don't know what all the fuss is about, this Hajduk fan can't wait for us 'toffees' to come over, delightful chap.

https://twitter.com/kalmetaglogoski/status/898833576610983936

Clearly a moron with nothing else going on in his life but "making a name for himself"  :headbang: