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Title: What sort of player is Tom Davies?
Post by: Shogun on January 05, 2019, 11:32:42 PM
He gets some harsh criticism but even watching the Lincoln game today, he seems to lost that drive he used to have for some reason has certainly stagnated.

Wouldn’t mind seeing him go on loan to a decent championship club.
Title: What sort of player is Tom Davies?
Post by: mikey_blue on January 05, 2019, 11:52:21 PM
Starting to think he's a bang average player. Last year he offered a bit of a spark by being able to carry the ball better than Rooney or Morgs. But even then it was hard to put your finger on what he actually does.

I don't think he's going to cut it at Everton. I'd love him to go out on loan next year.
Title: Re: What sort of player is Tom Davies?
Post by: GLewis on January 05, 2019, 11:54:40 PM
He gets some harsh criticism but even watching the Lincoln game today, he seems to lost that drive he used to have for some reason has certainly stagnated.

Wouldn’t mind seeing him go on loan to a decent championship club.

Yes I think we he was coming through there was talk that he could sit or do box to box.

Best form was as a hybrid 10 in 16/17 but I think that worked as Barkley was shouldering the edge of the box possession burden, so Davies’ energy was a good counter point.

Plus with the confidence/ adrenaline of just breaking through his forward passing was more successful.

Seemed like he was trying a bit too hard today (and vs Spurs) as he was trying to close down positions that were only going to result in an easy triangle around him.
Title: Re: What sort of player is Tom Davies?
Post by: American Evertonian on January 06, 2019, 12:15:14 AM
Like those above me I am not really sure what to make of him or where to put him. He doesn't offer enough going forward (no incisive passes and gives the ball away too easily) and defensively I do not think he can read the game well enough yet to interrupt another team's play.

He would do best to go on loan for 1-2 seasons to learn how to read the game and further develop. Otherwise I do not see him ever cutting it for us.
Title: Re: What sort of player is Tom Davies?
Post by: Thornton_19 on January 06, 2019, 12:20:02 AM
I thought he was taken off purely because of Lincoln winning loads of headers in our midfield and Gomes is better in the air.

Didnt think he was particularly terrible at all. Understand the sub though.
Title: Re: What sort of player is Tom Davies?
Post by: Macca77 on January 06, 2019, 12:21:00 AM
Not good enough, sad but true
Title: Re: What sort of player is Tom Davies?
Post by: gizzblue on January 06, 2019, 12:38:28 AM
Today against Lincoln he couldn't keep the ball ....that's why I rekon he got the hook .... immediately after Gomes was on we were retaining possesion a hell of a lot better ...

Don't think he will ever make the grade for us were we want to be tbh  as gutting as it is he's one of our own .
Title: Re: What sort of player is Tom Davies?
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on January 06, 2019, 12:50:08 AM
Not had much round him to help him progress at a vital stage in his development  so who knows now.
Title: Re: What sort of player is Tom Davies?
Post by: Goaljira on January 06, 2019, 01:25:52 AM
I want him played as the most advanced of a midfield 3, with Gomes and Gueye behind.  We'd be so much more effective with a midfield 3 instead of 2 and Sigurdson as a Psuedo second striker. 
Title: Re: What sort of player is Tom Davies?
Post by: MmmblueBernard on January 06, 2019, 01:31:57 AM
Tom Davies is overrated by those who tend to underrate better quality players. He’s not good enough for where we aim for.
Title: Re: What sort of player is Tom Davies?
Post by: markB on January 06, 2019, 01:37:04 AM
he did ok today would look a lot better with a 10 that played and moved like a 10
Title: Re: What sort of player is Tom Davies?
Post by: keverton1971 on January 06, 2019, 02:20:17 AM
sunday league
Title: Re: What sort of player is Tom Davies?
Post by: BlueForYou on January 06, 2019, 03:10:04 AM
Doesn't dictate a game - bread and butter player at present

Keep it simple, Tom: control, pass, move and watch as many clips of Alan Ball as you can

You possess his energy - the rest is up to you

Title: Re: What sort of player is Tom Davies?
Post by: Waltzer on January 06, 2019, 03:28:26 AM
People like Tom Davies get a lot of unwarranted pressure due to the fact they're local lads, it's not their fault. The reality is hes championship player at best, but being a local lad makes it exceptionally hard for him to succeed as expectations are raised. I really wish he was the answer, but he's not

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Title: Re: What sort of player is Tom Davies?
Post by: TSGun on January 06, 2019, 03:30:21 AM
I still have time for him.

He needs players around him that know what they're doing consistently. For the most part we lack nous as a whole.
Title: Re: What sort of player is Tom Davies?
Post by: brap2 on January 06, 2019, 03:31:53 AM
I think he’s a talented young player is what he is.

Would like to see him in a settled midfield that was playing well, and not a chaotic one that is constantly in transition either flying forward or scrambling back.

Maybe a loan out if we get someone decent in.
Title: Re: What sort of player is Tom Davies?
Post by: Tinga on January 06, 2019, 04:07:17 AM
Doesn't seem creative against a team that sits back like in the majority of our games, although most of our midfield has been like that for nearly a decade now.
Title: Re: What sort of player is Tom Davies?
Post by: Hawkandro on January 06, 2019, 04:17:42 AM
Always thought he looked best as a 10 for us. Looks to make forward passes often, and when he first came into the team he did it well.
Title: Re: What sort of player is Tom Davies?
Post by: di_guyo on January 06, 2019, 11:25:22 AM
Think a loan would do him good. He plays like a bit of a headless chicken, think he needs first team football to properly develop his footballing brain, because at the moment  it's just not there. Presently, he doesn't have the decision making of a premier league footballer, regardless of whether he has the technical attributes and potential.
Title: Re: What sort of player is Tom Davies?
Post by: Juanito on January 06, 2019, 01:22:31 PM
I think he’s a talented young player is what he is.

Would like to see him in a settled midfield that was playing well, and not a chaotic one that is constantly in transition either flying forward or scrambling back.

Maybe a loan out if we get someone decent in.

I agree. I was thinking if he was at one of the ‘top 6 clubs’ he would be on loan and learning his trade at a lower league club or even abroad. He has played for England at every level and I am sure will come good but any young player who has had to work through Koeman, Sam and now Silva in the space of a few years will have their development impeded as will the team. Osman didn’t come back from loan until he was 24 and then was finally able to demonstrate his worth to the side.  Davies is a player I would love to see at a steady German club in the Bundesliga, rather than the Championship.
Title: Re: What sort of player is Tom Davies?
Post by: BlueForYou on January 06, 2019, 03:46:17 PM
SatNav ready TomTom - the high road to Scotland?

Celtic, reportedly interested
Title: Re: What sort of player is Tom Davies?
Post by: NickNack on January 06, 2019, 04:07:45 PM
SatNav ready TomTom - the high road to Scotland?

Celtic, reportedly interested
hope it’s only a loan if he goes, don’t think we should be letting him go permanently yet.
Title: Re: What sort of player is Tom Davies?
Post by: Lxxx on January 06, 2019, 04:26:09 PM
He’s better than what he’s showing now but he’s not at the level we need at present.

I think it’d be a good move to go and get his mojo back in front of neutral fans for a bit so he can relax, grow and develop his game again.
Title: Re: What sort of player is Tom Davies?
Post by: duncandisorderly on January 06, 2019, 07:27:12 PM
Still think he could be a very good player for us. He's not been playing as much recently, and he needs to be playing regularly now to progress and maybe a loan could help. Quick look at the stats shows he's started 9 league games this season, of which we have won 4, drawn 2 and lost 3. 3 Cup games which we have won 2 and lost 1 on pens, so it's hardly been a complete disaster for a young player in and out of the side. Difficult for a quality seasoned player like Gomes to look good in our midfield at the moment let alone someone upcoming like Tom.

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Title: Re: What sort of player is Tom Davies?
Post by: Paddockoldie on January 06, 2019, 08:24:56 PM
He's lacking confidence in his game. That first game arrogance he had against City has gone and I think he's feeling the pressure, similar to Barkley. He's poor in the pass and positional sense and gets caught out too easily. Could do with a loan so he work on his game without the heat of the prem in a developing team.
Title: Re: What sort of player is Tom Davies?
Post by: Dr. Sponge on January 06, 2019, 08:50:05 PM
He’s looking low on confidence lately. He did ok in the run of games he had before Gomes came into the side and being dropped for so long appears to have dented him.

Still not sure what kind of midfielder he is, same with Barkley when he was here incidentally. Although both different kind of players, they clearly have talent but not shining in a particular role.


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Title: Re: What sort of player is Tom Davies?
Post by: brap2 on January 06, 2019, 09:58:37 PM
I think one quite sad thing is that we are crying out for a ball hungry, box to box player who can put in work, get on the ball and make something happen driving forward and picking a pass - originally I really thought he was going to be like that. All action midfielder.

If he’d just managed to kick on, he could have cemented his place in the side getting 3000 minutes this year as a key player.

Not to be unfortunately and once we get someone in we should send him somewhere he can learn his game on the pitch.
Title: Re: What sort of player is Tom Davies?
Post by: formerKHL on January 06, 2019, 11:59:12 PM
For me he was brought into the first team too early at a time when we were struggling for good midfield players. He was obviously doing the business at his level which not only gave him his England caps but also got him noticed. As he was brought in early his ”development” was all about him trying to prove himself at this level. Thus his “development” stagnates and he continues to play at the level of performance he was brought in at.
 I wouldn’t loan him out but would keep him around the first team squad, learn his trade at that level and help him develop. For me his biggest “issue” is in fact his energy levels he needs to learn to temper his energy levels so that his contribution comes in bursts and is productive....rather than a burst of energy that takes him past the player, the ball and the play and giving silly fouls away. Working with better players at this level should help him improve this and will put more thought and game intelligence into his game.
Just my 2 cents........
Title: Re: What sort of player is Tom Davies?
Post by: kramer0 on January 07, 2019, 03:53:12 AM
Hard to say much of anything without seeing him play regularly.

Given the managers we're employing, I think we need to get in the habit of finding good loans for players in his situation. Using young players for cover doesn't really do either side much good. The players' development stalls (regular games are a big factor driving improvement) and the club doesn't learn enough about how the player performs in competitive matches to figure out if they're actually good or not. Right now, it feels the only way we're ever going to end up with a good player from our academy in our first team is if he hits a great run of form one of the times he randomly gets thrown into action and never looks back (which is unlikely -- players like Rooney are rare).

I'm not really a big fan of the loan approach in general (you lose control over what the player learns) but it's way better than keeping players around for key developmental years only to sell them off to lower league clubs for nominal fees or let their contracts expire.
Title: Re: What sort of player is Tom Davies?
Post by: Jamokachi on January 07, 2019, 08:15:20 AM
Catch 22 isn’t it. Loan him out and lose control over his development or play him and deal with cry-arses annoyed that he’s “not at the level we need to be”. Fuck knows how people think players develop. And fuck knows why these kids aren’t finished articles.
Title: Re: What sort of player is Tom Davies?
Post by: stirlingblue on January 07, 2019, 07:08:07 PM
I’ve got all the time in the world for Davies because he’s one of the few players we have that always shows for the ball.

Our biggest problem of the last few years is movement off the ball, especially in the middle of the pitch. Watch one of our games and then watch a top team, look at the number of options the man on the ball has for the big teams because his teammates show for it.
Title: Re: What sort of player is Tom Davies?
Post by: Thomas on January 11, 2019, 02:07:06 PM
Said this for 2 years and got absolutely murdered.

Yet now it's become all cosy to say the same thing?

I don't do bandwagons. I just state facts when they are obvious. The facts are the lad was never good enough 2 years ago and will never be good enough.

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Title: Re: What sort of player is Tom Davies?
Post by: Thomas on January 11, 2019, 02:07:37 PM
Tom Davies is overrated by those who tend to underrate better quality players. He's not good enough for where we aim for.
Exactly.

The same mob hated on Ross Barkley and John Stones.

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Title: Re: What sort of player is Tom Davies?
Post by: Thomas on January 11, 2019, 02:09:23 PM
Always thought he looked best as a 10 for us. Looks to make forward passes often, and when he first came into the team he did it well.
How?

He can't pass, he can't score and his reading of the game is poor.

He'd thrive in League One.

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Title: Re: What sort of player is Tom Davies?
Post by: Bob Sacamano on January 11, 2019, 02:31:17 PM
In before the philistine shout.
Title: Re: What sort of player is Tom Davies?
Post by: TheRam on January 11, 2019, 02:33:07 PM
Danny drinkwater though.

Title: Re: What sort of player is Tom Davies?
Post by: Thomas on January 11, 2019, 04:56:11 PM
Danny drinkwater though.
Would Chelsea entertain signing Tom Davies? No.

End of conversation. Move on.

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Title: Re: What sort of player is Tom Davies?
Post by: Thomas on January 11, 2019, 04:59:22 PM
In before the philistine shout.
Haha you say it for me.

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Title: Re: What sort of player is Tom Davies?
Post by: Macca77 on January 11, 2019, 05:04:06 PM
Davies needs to go out on loan, would be great for him
Title: Re: What sort of player is Tom Davies?
Post by: Andy88 on January 11, 2019, 06:29:47 PM
Would Chelsea entertain signing Tom Davies? No.

End of conversation. Move on.

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Would Chelsea have entertained signing Danny Drinkwater when he was 20? Probably not.

They're two players who could end up having similar careers but you seem to think one of them is good enough to sort out the midfield while the other should be playing in League One.

If Davies gets sold to a Championship team, gets promoted and has one good season in the premier league, he could end up getting sold to a bigger club and never playing the same as Drinkwater has for Chelsea - in 8 years time Davies could be the new Drinkwater!
Title: Re: What sort of player is Tom Davies?
Post by: Shogun on January 11, 2019, 06:44:11 PM
Tbf Thomas, didn’t you used to like Darron Gibson?

If we all ignored our bad shouts then we’d be right all the time too.
Title: Re: What sort of player is Tom Davies?
Post by: Thomas on January 11, 2019, 06:48:30 PM
Tbf Thomas, didn’t you used to like Darron Gibson?

If we all ignored our bad shouts then we’d be right all the time too.

He could pass a ball but not much else was good. HE was as bad off the field as on it. Although for a short time he looked a bargain.

But tbf @Shogun (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=1108) I dont mind you pulling me up as you always do it properly ie on documented facts or things I've actually said. You don't miss much either. So i respect that. I can have a debate with that,

I think the Tom Davies thing is about Evertonians desire (MYSELF INCLUDED) for an all action player who can play a bit. If we could sign or develop someone who is a bit of a warhorse who can also get on the ball and score a few goals that will take us into the top six.

How the fuck we find a Kante or Gattuso or (a tad more luxurious) Pirlo type though I have no idea.
Title: Re: What sort of player is Tom Davies?
Post by: djws1788 on January 11, 2019, 08:21:37 PM
Drinkwater was at United when he was 20, on loan in the Championship like most are suggesting Davies should be
Title: Re: What sort of player is Tom Davies?
Post by: MmmblueBernard on January 12, 2019, 05:04:42 PM
Exactly.

The same mob hated on Ross Barkley and John Stones.

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The difference is that those two possess genuine quality. Tom is just a bit meh.
Title: Re: What sort of player is Tom Davies?
Post by: sam of the south on January 12, 2019, 05:31:32 PM
Would Chelsea entertain signing Tom Davies? No.

End of conversation. Move on.

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There were rumours actually


https://www.talkchelsea.net/transfers/chelsea-interested-in-signing-everton-starlet-tom-davies/amp/
Title: Re: What sort of player is Tom Davies?
Post by: TheRam on January 12, 2019, 05:39:52 PM
Would Chelsea entertain signing Tom Davies? No.

End of conversation. Move on.

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They signed Steve sidwell mate.
Title: Re: What sort of player is Tom Davies?
Post by: MmmblueBernard on January 13, 2019, 02:15:06 AM
They signed Steve sidwell mate.

And Drinkwater....
Title: Re: What sort of player is Tom Davies?
Post by: Jamokachi on January 13, 2019, 12:37:43 PM
Would Chelsea entertain signing Tom Davies? No.

End of conversation. Move on.

Someone doesn't understand the home grown player quota.
Title: Re: What sort of player is Tom Davies?
Post by: Gary1878 on January 14, 2019, 11:51:01 PM
Said this for 2 years and got absolutely murdered.

Yet now it's become all cosy to say the same thing?

I don't do bandwagons. I just state facts when they are obvious. The facts are the lad was never good enough 2 years ago and will never be good enough.

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He is 20 years old. He should probably have gone out on loan but it is to his credit that he has been good enough to get 68 appearances in Central Midfield, a position on the pitch where you cannot hide, in the Premier League, the hardest league in the world. Let's look at Harry Kane's record when he was 20 years old:

2012   → Millwall (loan)   22   (7)
2012–2013   → Norwich City (loan)   3   (0)
2013   → Leicester City (loan)   13   (2)

Hes turned out to be a right pile of crap.
Title: Re: What sort of player is Tom Davies?
Post by: Waltzer on January 15, 2019, 12:15:28 AM
He is 20 years old. He should probably have gone out on loan but it is to his credit that he has been good enough to get 68 appearances in Central Midfield, a position on the pitch where you cannot hide, in the Premier League, the hardest league in the world. Let's look at Harry Kane's record when he was 20 years old:

2012→ Millwall (loan)22(7)
2012–2013→ Norwich City (loan)3(0)
2013→ Leicester City (loan)13(2)

Hes turned out to be a right pile of crap.
Hmm I'm not sure if his appearance are a reflection of his talent or how poor we've been in that area for a while? Don't get me wrong id have loved to get 1 appearance, so he's done amazingly well.
Hopefully he will, but I think he'll need to improve significantly if he wants to get another 68 appearances for us

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Title: Re: What sort of player is Tom Davies?
Post by: brap2 on January 15, 2019, 01:29:27 AM
He’s got about 600 minutes this year lads. He’s not the problem.
Title: Re: What sort of player is Tom Davies?
Post by: Blue Lagoon on January 15, 2019, 01:42:11 AM
I’d agree with him going on loan to get regular first team experience. But I’d like it to be to a prem team. Maybe a team that’s promoted or similar. Not championship, nor Scotland - he’s talented enough to make it at this level but needs regular practice at this level.


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Title: Re: What sort of player is Tom Davies?
Post by: D15TIN on January 15, 2019, 01:56:31 AM
I’d agree with him going on loan to get regular first team experience. But I’d like it to be to a prem team. Maybe a team that’s promoted or similar. Not championship, nor Scotland - he’s talented enough to make it at this level but needs regular practice at this level.


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Don't think the championship would be too bad for him actually, it's a tough league, if he could get 40 starts in that it'd benefit him, calvert-lewin the same. They need to be toughened up a bit, same way Holgate has
Title: Re: What sort of player is Tom Davies?
Post by: GLewis on January 15, 2019, 02:14:05 AM
He’s got about 600 minutes this year lads. He’s not the problem.

Issue should just be what’s the best way to develop him.

Wages are cheap so unless a player is a complete write off, and there’s no way that Davies is, then there shouldn’t be a rush to do anything.
Title: Re: What sort of player is Tom Davies?
Post by: sam of the south on January 15, 2019, 04:07:34 AM
He’s cool af, though
Title: Re: What sort of player is Tom Davies?
Post by: everton1952 on January 15, 2019, 05:09:51 PM
He might be OK in the Championship, but forget about the PL.
Title: Re: What sort of player is Tom Davies?
Post by: Macca77 on January 15, 2019, 05:46:24 PM
He's boss on a skateboard
Title: Re: What sort of player is Tom Davies?
Post by: Escla on January 16, 2019, 02:50:41 PM
Can’t see him getting any minutes on the pitch against either Soton or Millwall so loan option may well be his/our best option.
Title: Re: What sort of player is Tom Davies?
Post by: kramer0 on January 30, 2019, 10:27:53 PM
If he's back in the team regularly, and I think he should be, I say give him the armband again.

He works hard, never hides, and he's one of the only players in the squad who keeps his head under pressure.

It's embarrassing that this group of highly paid professionals needs a 20 year old from the academy to show them how to see out close games but here we are.
Title: Re: What sort of player is Tom Davies?
Post by: MmmblueBernard on January 30, 2019, 11:25:21 PM
Played well last night. Heart and a bit of drive.
Title: Re: What sort of player is Tom Davies?
Post by: brap2 on January 30, 2019, 11:58:49 PM
If he's back in the team regularly, and I think he should be, I say give him the armband again.

He works hard, never hides, and he's one of the only players in the squad who keeps his head under pressure.

It's embarrassing that this group of highly paid professionals needs a 20 year old from the academy to show them how to see out close games but here we are.

When we were under pressure last night right at the death and he won the ball, shrugged a challenge and drove up the pitch 10-15 yards before buying a free kick, I thought yes my mate. Yes.
Title: Re: What sort of player is Tom Davies?
Post by: TheRam on January 31, 2019, 12:07:32 AM
When we were under pressure last night right at the death and he won the ball, shrugged a challenge and drove up the pitch 10-15 yards before buying a free kick, I thought yes my mate. Yes.

Had that bit of swagger at that point.

He’s got it all I reckon.
Title: Re: What sort of player is Tom Davies?
Post by: kramer0 on January 31, 2019, 12:20:38 AM
Had that bit of swagger at that point.

He’s got it all I reckon.

Mentally, it's all there. Definite captain material.

I'd bet on the consistent application coming with regular games, which hopefully he'll get now.
Title: Re: What sort of player is Tom Davies?
Post by: Audrey Horne on January 31, 2019, 12:24:46 AM
I love him.
Title: Re: What sort of player is Tom Davies?
Post by: NickNack on January 31, 2019, 12:31:55 AM
Always liked him, there’s the makings of a good ‘un in there...hope he gets a run until the end of the season now especially if Gana leaves.
Title: Re: What sort of player is Tom Davies?
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 31, 2019, 12:35:06 AM
When we were under pressure last night right at the death and he won the ball, shrugged a challenge and drove up the pitch 10-15 yards before buying a free kick, I thought yes my mate. Yes.
Enjoyed that, reminded of what he did a few years back and to draw the foul was very pienaar esque
Title: Re: What sort of player is Tom Davies?
Post by: School of Science on January 31, 2019, 04:10:32 AM
Very impressed with Tom last night, hasn't played for a while, played like he had something to prove, I like that, showed a few older players what a bit of guts can do. Bainsey  played well to, shame he got hurt we could do with him right now.
Title: Re: What sort of player is Tom Davies?
Post by: brap2 on January 31, 2019, 04:19:55 AM
Enjoyed that, reminded of what he did a few years back and to draw the foul was very pienaar esque

Yeah it was classic Tom and absolute TEXTBOOK pienaarishness.
Title: Re: What sort of player is Tom Davies?
Post by: boothill on January 31, 2019, 03:47:07 PM
I thought it was davis' best game for us tbh.  Hopefully it will build his confidence

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Title: Re: What sort of player is Tom Davies?
Post by: di_guyo on January 31, 2019, 04:08:18 PM
If he's back in the team regularly, and I think he should be, I say give him the armband again.

He works hard, never hides, and he's one of the only players in the squad who keeps his head under pressure.

It's embarrassing that this group of highly paid professionals needs a 20 year old from the academy to show them how to see out close games but here we are.

I was just about to disagree with you, but then I started to think who would be a better fit. Grim.

I'd still have Coleman ahead of him, as a more senior figure that also does all of those things you've mentioned. He's vocal and puts a shift in. I think Davies is a lead by example type, but I'd be less confident about him giving a rousing dressing room motivational speech.
Title: Re: What sort of player is Tom Davies?
Post by: stirlingblue on January 31, 2019, 04:37:18 PM
Kramer always says it and I’ve never been able to put my finger on why, but our midfield always plays better with him on the pitch.

It thinks mostly because he never hides, always shows for a pass and is always moving. Yes, he has his problems technically but that’s easier to fix than the mental side and comes with time.
Title: Re: What sort of player is Tom Davies?
Post by: Gary1878 on January 31, 2019, 05:04:28 PM
I have always backed Tom Davies and have said previously that he is only a young chap. We are only seeing glimpses of his true potential, and he will only improve with every game.

He is 20 years old and already has 83 appearances for Everton to his name. What he really needs to start achieving is a level of consistency to his game, which will only come with a run of games. However, I also think he needs to be managed appropriately, and have more senior players ready to step up around him.

He will have some good games, and some bad, but the important thing is that he keeps improving and contributes more to the team each season.

Title: Re: What sort of player is Tom Davies?
Post by: Bluedylan on January 31, 2019, 05:13:26 PM
I think he's better than Pirlo and Gattuso....apparently.
Title: Re: What sort of player is Tom Davies?
Post by: Brownie on January 31, 2019, 05:15:43 PM
I think he's better than Pirlo and Gattuso....apparently.

😂😂😂😂
Title: Re: What sort of player is Tom Davies?
Post by: Lxxx on January 31, 2019, 05:22:11 PM
We have some mad stats about our win rate when he is in the side. He just seems to link play well without ever doing anything extraordinary himself.

It's a weird shout but in a midfield three with two players who offer more than Gana/Gomes/Sig maybe it'd make our overall play a bit more fluid, as opposed to the perpetual right to left and back again we see all too often at present.
Title: Re: What sort of player is Tom Davies?
Post by: dazfrancis on January 31, 2019, 06:12:35 PM
We have some mad stats about our win rate when he is in the side. He just seems to link play well without ever doing anything extraordinary himself.

It's a weird shout but in a midfield three with two players who offer more than Gana/Gomes/Sig maybe it'd make our overall play a bit more fluid, as opposed to the perpetual right to left and back again we see all too often at present.

Do you have these stats?

Without being able to back it up with exact stats, this is exactly what I was seeing the last couple of years. We seemed to play with more fluidity with Davies in the team even though his performances weren't exactly outstanding.

Some of the shouts in this thread are mad though. Writing off a 20 year old with 60+ premier league games under his belt, England u21 world cup winner and who frequently captains his country at youth level.

He's 20 years old FFS, every footballer, especially young kids have runs of games where they are shit.

I wouldn't give him the armband at present though, lumping too much pressure on a young lad, let him develop his game.
Title: Re: What sort of player is Tom Davies?
Post by: GLewis on February 01, 2019, 02:32:17 AM
Think at the moment when he plays it needs to be so that he can get forward.

One of his good abilities is his movement into channels etc. it’s obviously easier to do that either at the point of the midfield (as he did for lots of games in 16/17) or in the two if there’s a deeper DM being (a bit like Tuesday).

Again we’ve not quite got the natural blend of players for that.

When he plays in a 2 his decision making can be stressed and that obviously is a danger defensively. That’s not surprising for his age (and it’s why you don’t see many young CMs).
Title: Re: What sort of player is Tom Davies?
Post by: Lxxx on February 01, 2019, 03:03:59 AM
Think at the moment when he plays it needs to be so that he can get forward.

One of his good abilities is his movement into channels etc. it’s obviously easier to do that either at the point of the midfield (as he did for lots of games in 16/17) or in the two if there’s a deeper DM being (a bit like Tuesday).

Again we’ve not quite got the natural blend of players for that.

When he plays in a 2 his decision making can be stressed and that obviously is a danger defensively. That’s not surprising for his age (and it’s why you don’t see many young CMs).

Which brings us nicely into the Sig conundrum.
Title: Re: What sort of player is Tom Davies?
Post by: GLewis on February 01, 2019, 03:45:28 AM
Which brings us nicely into the Sig conundrum.

Yes it will be interesting of the shape from Tuesday is replicated more often (if Gueye goes).

Although that pushes Gomes into a more unfamiliar role.
Title: Re: What sort of player is Tom Davies?
Post by: Thomas on February 01, 2019, 06:24:56 AM
Would he be better suited as a right back?
Title: Re: What sort of player is Tom Davies?
Post by: Bally on February 01, 2019, 10:37:53 AM
Would he be better suited as a right back?
You're taking the piss now...

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Title: Re: What sort of player is Tom Davies?
Post by: Audrey Horne on February 01, 2019, 01:17:35 PM
Would he be better suited as a right back?

 :Lennon:
Title: Re: What sort of player is Tom Davies?
Post by: Brownie on February 01, 2019, 03:42:46 PM
Would he be better suited as a right back?

What you talking bout Willis?
Title: Re: What sort of player is Tom Davies?
Post by: bigmanbob on February 01, 2019, 04:51:09 PM
Nah, I'd play Pickford there myself like
Title: Re: What sort of player is Tom Davies?
Post by: Bluedylan on February 01, 2019, 04:53:56 PM
He's got that chestnut from Toffee TV. Baz is always banging on about him being tried at right back.
Title: Re: What sort of player is Tom Davies?
Post by: brap2 on February 01, 2019, 06:30:24 PM
He's got that chestnut from Toffee TV. Baz is always banging on about him being tried at right back.

Baz is a fucking idiot.
Title: Re: What sort of player is Tom Davies?
Post by: TheRam on February 01, 2019, 06:50:07 PM
They both are.

They’re desperate to become arsenal fan tv and they don’t care how they get there.

Title: Re: What sort of player is Tom Davies?
Post by: kramer0 on February 01, 2019, 06:56:29 PM
Hope he gets plenty of minutes, even with Gana staying.
Title: Re: What sort of player is Tom Davies?
Post by: Toddacelli on February 01, 2019, 10:35:31 PM
When he first broke into the first team and was given sub appearances with no real responsibilities, I thought he looked great.

He played a bit head-the-ball - exactly as you would expect a young kid to play who got to play for their boyhood club. He was hunting every single player down and always wanting the ball and always trying to make something happen.

With that amount of freedom he caused me to describe him as reminding me a 'bit' of a young Peter Reid - in style, rather than ability.

Since he's become a starter in games, I think he's lost a lot of what I loved about him because he now has proper responsibility of position, shape, formation and tactics.

I'd like to see him have a bit more freedom again because I feel he's being stifled a bit. But I don't think he'll get much freedom for a while because of how crap the team has been. You only fix that by everyone sticking to the plan.
Title: Re: What sort of player is Tom Davies?
Post by: Macca77 on February 01, 2019, 10:47:33 PM
Can't wait to hear the groans from the crowd tomorrow after his first misplaced pass.