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September 02, 2015, 05:56:59 AM
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Ridge


I'm not convinced everyone would be banging on about a number 10 if Roberto hadn't said he wanted one. He made himself a bit of a noose on that one, but he clearly tried to sign one and couldn't for one reason or another.

We sold no one, got Deulofeu, Henen, Cleverley, Holgate, Funes Mori, Rodriguez and Lennon in for about £20m, it's hardly brown trousers time.
« Last Edit: September 02, 2015, 06:02:05 AM by Ridge »

September 02, 2015, 05:57:38 AM
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bluenuck


Christ I am pissed off at the moment.

Now we have 5 first team wingers, will RM actually start 2 of them at once, or will he persist with his notion of playing a CM on the left? Why have we ended up paying 90% more for Mori than originally agreed? We missed a clause in his contract? Isn't this something the club lawyers are supposed to pick up on before we agree the deal? Why did we not have more than one No.10 on our list? Ukranian clubs are supposed to be tough negotiators, yet we have not one back up option if the deal falls through? I'm sorry, that smacks of a phantom bid.

Pretty much sums up what I've said today.

I just pray he plays wingers next game. Please play Mirallis and Lennon. Please!!



September 02, 2015, 06:00:08 AM
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Sixx1402


I'm not convinced everyone would be banging on about a number 10 if Roberto hadn't said he wanted one. He made himself a bit of a noose on that one, but he clear

We sold no one, got Deulofeu, Henen, Cleverley, Holgate, Funes Mori, Rodriguez and Lennon in for about £20m, it's hardly brown trousers time.

I would like some brown trousers. Preferably Farah slacks..... :woohoo:
Ahh.....Boucheenie i presume


September 02, 2015, 06:19:18 AM
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toffee_scot


Martinez won't 'adjust' his tactics until we go on a losing streak and the heat comes. He never has and he never will.

We had Lennon last season and he didn't adjust his tactics then so why now? It took an intervention by the players to do that.

Lukaku's 20 goals were in all competitions including a longish run in Europe. How many did he score in the Premier League? How many of those goals were penalties? 10 goals in 36 Premier League games isn't good, its nearly one in four. Austin scored 18 in 35 Premier League games for a team that was relegated. Doesn't look good does it?

Also that's generally what a 'playmaker' does. He makes play, he creates chances. Which is exactly what we need.

I'm not having a go at you mate but a lot of fans are very pissed off and underwhelmed at the quality of this transfer window and who can blame them?
I think we deserve the right to rant especially when the statistics are right in front of us.

For me its just not good enough. Rant over.

I'm not having a go at you mate but a lot of fans are very pissed off and underwhelmed at the quality of this transfer window and who can blame them?
I think we deserve the right to rant especially when the statistics are right in front of us.

For me its just not good enough. Rant over.

No worries mate. Like everyone else I wish we were able to strengthen significantly the team especially as a lot of teams around us have and I am genuinely concerned that if all the key signings that West Ham, Newcastle, Stoke and some other teams around us were to click then we could fall further behind and return to the Walter Smith era in terms of table finishes.

However, the transfer window is closed and there is nothing that the Everton staff can do to bring in the ideal players until at least January. I'd like to think we still have a very good squad of quality players compared to 2 years ago when we finished 5th or any other time under the Moyes era and it could be a blessing in disguise that we didn't get the 'number 10' this window but find someone better and more ideal in January or next summer. Maybe it's wishful thinking that Martinez will turn things around and get us challenging in the top 5 again or maybe we should get someone else to manage the team. I don't know, but we do have the basis for a very good team and whatever happens in the short or mid-term, we will be in a position once again to challenge the Sky Elite like we did a couple years ago.

September 02, 2015, 06:19:35 AM
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Rhys


I'm not convinced everyone would be banging on about a number 10 if Roberto hadn't said he wanted one. He made himself a bit of a noose on that one, but he clearly tried to sign one and couldn't for one reason or another.

We sold no one, got Deulofeu, Henen, Cleverley, Holgate, Funes Mori, Rodriguez and Lennon in for about £20m, it's hardly brown trousers time.

But that's part of his problem, his says too much too often. If you tell people you want 3 signings including a forward and number 10 then people are going to expect that. When you then get no number 10 and the forward we do get had been described before he signed as needing to spend a year in the under 21s its bound to leave people feeling underwhelmed.

However disagree people only want one because he mentioned it. We spent all last year craving a link player because we didn't have pienaar and we played central players out wide and nearly all our attacking players like to dribble, get shots away and are selfish in the way we play.

We are desperate for a player who play in between the lines, who wants to pass and create space in the final third. Not necessarily even a star player, they didn't have to be 18m to be a great signing although that would be ideal, it could have been a squad player that was just something different to what we already have. Sadly we didn't get them and will probably spend the next few months up to January saying, I wish we had a pienaar type player playing.

September 02, 2015, 06:21:57 AM
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Hawkandro


And then, come January, we won't sign one as RM believes you don't get value for money in January. Back to square one again...
Yes, we're being condescending. Yes, that means we're talking down to you.


September 02, 2015, 06:29:39 AM
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Sixx1402


No worries mate. Like everyone else I wish we were able to strengthen significantly the team especially as a lot of teams around us have and I am genuinely concerned that if all the key signings that West Ham, Newcastle, Stoke and some other teams around us were to click then we could fall further behind and return to the Walter Smith era in terms of table finishes.

However, the transfer window is closed and there is nothing that the Everton staff can do to bring in the ideal players until at least January. I'd like to think we still have a very good squad of quality players compared to 2 years ago when we finished 5th or any other time under the Moyes era and it could be a blessing in disguise that we didn't get the 'number 10' this window but find someone better and more ideal in January or next summer. Maybe it's wishful thinking that Martinez will turn things around and get us challenging in the top 5 again or maybe we should get someone else to manage the team. I don't know, but we do have the basis for a very good team and whatever happens in the short or mid-term, we will be in a position once again to challenge the Sky Elite like we did a couple years ago.

We do have a good squad but i want it to be GREAT. Plus i'm just not happy with the guy in charge and the board. I love your optimism and i hope for all of us you're right mate
« Last Edit: September 02, 2015, 06:31:06 AM by Sixx1402 »
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September 02, 2015, 06:32:09 AM
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Sixx1402


But that's part of his problem, his says too much too often. If you tell people you want 3 signings including a forward and number 10 then people are going to expect that. When you then get no number 10 and the forward we do get had been described before he signed as needing to spend a year in the under 21s its bound to leave people feeling underwhelmed.

However disagree people only want one because he mentioned it. We spent all last year craving a link player because we didn't have pienaar and we played central players out wide and nearly all our attacking players like to dribble, get shots away and are selfish in the way we play.

We are desperate for a player who play in between the lines, who wants to pass and create space in the final third. Not necessarily even a star player, they didn't have to be 18m to be a great signing although that would be ideal, it could have been a squad player that was just something different to what we already have. Sadly we didn't get them and will probably spend the next few months up to January saying, I wish we had a pienaar type player playing.

Spot on pal. Right i'm off to bed  :bonk:
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September 02, 2015, 08:04:29 AM
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pjk

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We do have a good squad but i want it to be GREAT. Plus i'm just not happy with the guy in charge and the board. I love your optimism and i hope for all of us you're right mate



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September 02, 2015, 09:40:22 AM
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howard1334


I'm not convinced everyone would be banging on about a number 10 if Roberto hadn't said he wanted one. He made himself a bit of a noose on that one, but he clearly tried to sign one and couldn't for one reason or another.

We sold no one, got Deulofeu, Henen, Cleverley, Holgate, Funes Mori, Rodriguez and Lennon in for about £20m, it's hardly brown trousers time.

I have been calling for a no. 10 for two years now. I think many of us have.

The reason everyone got so excited when Roberto said he wanted a no. 10 was specifically because we all have been clamoring for one for ages. I, at least, would be banging on about the no. 10 regardless of what Roberto said, though obviously he made it worse by raising expectations and then failing to deliver.
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September 02, 2015, 10:40:06 AM
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Jamokachi


Well at least Martinez' positivity is tempered by the negativity from the same old names in this and every other fucking thread.

We've strengthened the team in nearly every department.

Yes we didn't get the number 10 we all craved, but there could be so, so many reasons for this - a transfer not happening is not necessarily the fault of the team trying to make the purchase. There are a ridiculous amount of factors.

We brought in the cover we needed at CB in Mori. We brought in creativity and pace with Deulofelu and Lennon. We brought in drive, some creativity and adaptability to cover a few positions in Cleverly. We've brought in two prospects in the striker department in Henen and Rodriguez, one whom is first team ready by all accounts. And we brought in a bright prospect CB in Holgate, who already made it onto the bench. We lost 2 players, both of who weren't good enough for our level - as shown last year in Distin and Alcaraz. And most importantly we have kept hold of the best young defender in British (and I dare say European football) in Stones.

No matter how you look at this summer transfer window we've come out stronger than we went in. 
« Last Edit: September 02, 2015, 10:43:06 AM by Jamokachi »

September 02, 2015, 11:56:51 AM
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brittcop1


Well at least Martinez' positivity is tempered by the negativity from the same old names in this and every other fucking thread.

We've strengthened the team in nearly every department.

Yes we didn't get the number 10 we all craved, but there could be so, so many reasons for this - a transfer not happening is not necessarily the fault of the team trying to make the purchase. There are a ridiculous amount of factors.

We brought in the cover we needed at CB in Mori. We brought in creativity and pace with Deulofelu and Lennon. We brought in drive, some creativity and adaptability to cover a few positions in Cleverly. We've brought in two prospects in the striker department in Henen and Rodriguez, one whom is first team ready by all accounts. And we brought in a bright prospect CB in Holgate, who already made it onto the bench. We lost 2 players, both of who weren't good enough for our level - as shown last year in Distin and Alcaraz. And most importantly we have kept hold of the best young defender in British (and I dare say European football) in Stones.

No matter how you look at this summer transfer window we've come out stronger than we went in. 

September 02, 2015, 12:10:40 PM
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brittcop1


Thank you, you have summed up my thoughts exactly. We have a good starting 11 and actually the makings of a young squad for once. Yes we would love a superstar number ten...who wouldn't? But really, how many are out there AND why would the Superstar come here? We have no Champions League, we cannot offer crazy wages, we have a ground that cannot be expanded or apparently redeveloped and oh, we cannot offer a London address. Guys, we are NOT going to get a superstar in his PRIME...for Everton to succeed we need to continue what we are doing: developing our own young players like Ross, finding gems like Stones (no pun!) and  Coleman and taking a gamble on the likes of Mori and Delefau and McCarthy and putting them in a team with seasoned vets like Howard and Barry and splurging every now and then on the likes of Lukaku.
    For us to compete for the top four, we need the whole to be greater than the sum of the parts. Until we get bought out by some filthy rich foreign investor...this is it. Life is much simpler when you temper your expectations:)

September 02, 2015, 02:05:35 PM
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howard1334


Well at least Martinez' positivity is tempered by the negativity from the same old names in this and every other fucking thread.

We've strengthened the team in nearly every department.

Yes we didn't get the number 10 we all craved, but there could be so, so many reasons for this - a transfer not happening is not necessarily the fault of the team trying to make the purchase. There are a ridiculous amount of factors.

We brought in the cover we needed at CB in Mori. We brought in creativity and pace with Deulofelu and Lennon. We brought in drive, some creativity and adaptability to cover a few positions in Cleverly. We've brought in two prospects in the striker department in Henen and Rodriguez, one whom is first team ready by all accounts. And we brought in a bright prospect CB in Holgate, who already made it onto the bench. We lost 2 players, both of who weren't good enough for our level - as shown last year in Distin and Alcaraz. And most importantly we have kept hold of the best young defender in British (and I dare say European football) in Stones.

No matter how you look at this summer transfer window we've come out stronger than we went in. 

I am typically very positive - I backed Martinez all of last year, and will continue to back him this season unless we look as though we might get relegated. However, supporters have every right to be very disappointed he did not bring in a number 10, particularly after Martinez said he intended to. And it is condescending to lump those of us expressing disappointment over that fact in with all the typically "gloom and doom" types.

I have no problem with any of the players we signed, and think they will bring something to the table. Does not mitigate the failure of not getting a creative midfielder.

Also, the criteria for a good transfer window is much more so "are we better compared to the teams around us" than it is " have we've come out stronger than we went in." While I will agree we are better than we were talent wise even two years ago, I really don't think we are better relative to our competition generally (though Totenham may have arguably regressed). 
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September 02, 2015, 02:27:41 PM
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Juanito


Ok, team v Chelsea will be interesting....

                                                Howard
      Coleman             Stones            Jags              Mori

                             McCarthy           Barry

      Lennon                   Barkley                 Mirallas

                                   Lukaku