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January 07, 2012, 04:07:17 PM
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Agreed. Moyes has done wonders with the money he's had and is the best man for the job. That's not to say he doesn't make mistakes and in my opinion he has a boring style of football which has developed over the last few years.
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January 07, 2012, 04:27:06 PM
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I reckon in the situation we are now, we need Moyes, because no matter how shit we are, I can't see us ever getting relegated. Getting someone new in would be such a massive gamble, and I would be unwilling to take it, personally.

I also think Moyes is the man to take us forward, but he needs money.
     


Spot on Derek. The gamble idea brings me out in a sweat. Get the man some money. I think he has shown his ability with the good team that he built 2008-2009. Only so much to spend there too.
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January 07, 2012, 04:52:38 PM
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the roy vernon plan


Dead right that DM deserves financial support. He has been keeping
the show afloat for a longtime now with just the hot air from Billy Liar
to sustain him.

And no-one could have done it better. Of course he has made mistakes.
But I hope he gets over this down period and the tempoarray insanity that
is driving him to play Hibbert and Neville every week and makes a full recovery.   

 


January 07, 2012, 04:58:27 PM
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Dead right that DM deserves financial support. He has been keeping
the show afloat for a longtime now with just the hot air from Billy Liar
to sustain him.

And no-one could have done it better. Of course he has made mistakes.
But I hope he gets over this down period and the tempoarray insanity that
is driving him to play Hibbert and Neville every week and makes a full recovery.   

 


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January 08, 2012, 02:36:07 PM
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gdog1981


If things continue like they are Moyes will walk in the summer  IMO "taken club as  far as I can" being the reason behind it.  He can only continue to make us punch above our weight and abilities for so long, and his trusted lieutenants are no longer reliable for him e.g.  Cahill, Neville etc.  I fear this will happen.  His replacement god only knows......  it could only be a young up coming manager who fancies the challenge and managing a great historical club.  Very worried what the next 12-18 months holds for this club.   

January 09, 2012, 11:24:30 PM
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I think with Moyes in charge while we are playing badly we would be getting beat badly instead of nicking 3 points here and there. A new man in charge could make things even worse.
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January 09, 2012, 11:41:33 PM
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I echo the point a few have made - I can't see us going down with Moyes.

I am definitely more in the pro-Moyes camp than against him (although I do agree that my main argument of 'who replaces him?' highlights a really poor show of ambition) but in the back of my mind, I am assuming that somewhere down the line, after a few (lot?) more years of mid-table finishes and debt repayments on that big season-ticket secured loan, we might be in more of a financially competitive position again.

If that were to be the case, we could either afford to maybe attract someone of a good calibre (who also maybe wouldn't be a complete 'gamble' - unless that's what we wanted) or moyes may actually have some transfer cash that nobody can argue he hasn't earned during his tenure. That said, we need to keep attendances up and improve on the commercial side continually (I reckon we would sell a lot more non-kit stuff if Nike were indeed going to start as our manufacturer) as that debt doesn't seem to be going down depite the big player sales.

So basically, what I'm saying is, keep Moyes if his stability can help us through the financially harsh times in the best possible shape (and assuming this doesn't encourage lower attendances still) - the Alan Curbs/Charlton comparison mentioned above is a brilliant one and defo something I could see happening to us 

January 09, 2012, 11:44:04 PM
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GhostOfDixie


It wo'nt happen cos bill and moyes are too close.

and that is the problem isn't it?  There is absolutely zilch pressure on Moyes from Kenwright.  David Moyes has the easiest job in football.  When he wins he wins, when he loses he still wins (65k a week).

No motivation to do better other than his own standards, which have never been high - as a player or a manager.

I'd happily see the Kenwright/Moyes experiment ended.

January 10, 2012, 12:45:24 AM
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I'd rather see Vill replaced first then give Moyes some time with real money ( not monopoly) and see what he could do in that situation.
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January 10, 2012, 12:54:39 AM
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efctaxi


Cos let's face it, kenwright would never get rid, would we really be any worse off? I was talking to a couple of blues the other night about this, and we all thought he'd done the hard work at everton (turning the club from relegation candidates to mid-table/euro possibles). Now, he's got together a half decent squad, but he has'nt got a clue how to use half of them. he's getting nothing out of rodwell, fellaini, bilyaletdinov, saha, cahill and heitinga. Got nothing out of arteta for the last 12-18 months of his everton career, and generally is a miserable bastard in EVERYinterview he does these days. I think if the likes of paul lambert had this squad, he'd show a lot more bollocks in his formations and team selection (especially at home) and as a result, I'M ALL FOR IT!!! nod

Err ..... let me think ..... NO !  :hmph:

January 10, 2012, 01:00:24 AM
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GhostOfDixie


Moyes is a shit manager.

End of.

You all think with money he would all of a sudden be so much better at:

Tactics
Team Selection
Substitutions
Player relationships

He would just have more money to waste, and his inabilities would be masked by some super ass star from AC Red Star Madrid who would be on 300k a week, and still be left on the bench for the first 6 weeks of his career.

January 10, 2012, 01:03:41 AM
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Moyes is a shit manager.

End of.

You all think with money he would all of a sudden be so much better at:

Tactics
Team Selection
Substitutions
Player relationships

He would just have more money to waste, and his inabilities would be masked by some super ass star from AC Red Star Madrid who would be on 300k a week, and still be left on the bench for the first 6 weeks of his career.

So super star players mask managers qualities?
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January 10, 2012, 01:07:06 AM
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GhostOfDixie


So super star players mask managers qualities?

They can do yes.  I mean in the eyes of the fans though.  Look at City, under Hughes they had a pretty talented squad - but Hughes is a shit manager and thats why he was sacked.

What I'm saying is people ignore the fact David Moyes isn't a great manager because he's apparently not had a bean to spend on players.  I beg to differ.

January 10, 2012, 01:09:03 AM
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Always a Toffeeman


firstly moyes going is out of the question for me, far too good a manager for us to let him go! i do question him sometimes but wed be far worse if we didnt have hime

secondly if he did go and i wouldnt blame him, would we really attract anyone of any quality to replace him, wed be after managers out of a job so neil warnock mark hughes sort of managers because we couldnt afford to pay compensation to take someone elses manager or promoting steve round or alan irvine,

complete no brainer moyes stays
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January 10, 2012, 01:09:35 AM
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They can do yes.  I mean in the eyes of the fans though.  Look at City, under Hughes they had a pretty talented squad - but Hughes is a shit manager and thats why he was sacked.

What I'm saying is people ignore the fact David Moyes isn't a great manager because he's apparently not had a bean to spend on players.  I beg to differ.

Fair comment

I think he has done a good job and think he deserves a chance to see what he can do with money. I doubt he will get that chance here tho
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