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December 02, 2012, 03:02:15 AM
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Got to say mate I thought our performance today was fairly impressive. The defence actually did their job for once amongst some quality free flowing football. City had their moments, but, we definitely have it in the locker to play much better than today. We are definitely not getting the rub of the green, but that turns up eventually. Personally I think we've still got chances. I reckon the next couple of games will show us more as to ,where we are as a team.

I have little faith in the defence but Jagielka was a lionheart. In the main, we stayed organised and disciplined when put under consistent pressure. However, we completely shit ourselves when we scored, conceded the impetus to City and they were always going to equalise. Had it not been the dubious penatly award, I'm sure it would've come shortly after. Everton just went into hiding instead of doing what they had been. All-in-all I'll take the point at Eastlands but they weren't firing on all cylinders and we really need to win soon. To score and then just concede the whole middle of the park to a side as good as City and invite so much pressure onto yourself is criminal. Same thing happened last year except we didn't score.

As for the rest of the season, there's a few things fundamentally wrong with Everton. Obvious lack of depth will remain a concern until we get any serious investment, this may hinder us over the next few months when injuries creep in (especially throughout the winter period). The defence just isn't right, it can't keep a clean sheet. I know today was a penalty but consistently conceding goals to shite opposition just isn't good enough. It's so telling that often the opposition scores against the run of play; the defence can be breached even when seldom tested, by 'lesser' teams. Also, we're not clinical enough with our chances. Again, not specific to today, but throughout the season. Okay, we may get rubs of the green here and there but if you can't get the two basics of football right (ie score and defend), regardless of all the nice stuff you do in between, you'll struggle to achieve anything tangible.

We have had a somewhat uncharacteristically good start to the season but that's only because we've hardly played anyone decent. Only United, Liverpool, Arsenal and City (three of those at Goodison). We still have to go to Old Trafford, Anfield & the Emirates, play Spurs & Chelsea twice and host City at Goodison. We've had a relatively easy start to the season and have pissed far too many points away because the players haven't performed. Key players, we should be able to rely on, like Howard, Heitinga, Pienaar and Jelavic have all had inconsistent (to put it mildly in some cases!) starts to the season.

Funnily enough, I'm sure we'll exceed expectation in games against some of the tougher opposition but that's usually because we tend to raise our game and have a higher level of concentration when playing against the better sides. I'm not saying we'll win them but we may get a point at Old Trafford maybe, maybe a win at the Emirates but it's the mid-table teams and the ones fighting at the bottom that will provide just as stern a test. Teams that come to Goodison and want to cause an upset, with two banks of four or a back nine, and frustrate us.

It's for this reason I feel uneasy saying this is the best team Moyes has had. Maybe on paper it is but the side of 2007/08, even though it employed percentage football a lot more and didn't "play it on the carpet", it would consistently put shit teams to bed and the defence was watertight. That always gives you a chance in any match.
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December 02, 2012, 03:11:03 AM
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TheRam

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If Ram is optimistic then that should mean something to all of us

One of the most optimistic people on here when it comes to Everton

December 02, 2012, 03:30:32 AM
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Gash

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That's a pretty honest assesment from Rimbo. The good start to the season we had is slowly fizzling out at the the moment. Maybe we will go on a run, but it needs to happen soon, one win in the last nine or so games isn't really a good start to the season. We're only about 7 points ahead of the same stage last season, which was considered a poor start and we've had a fixture list plenty teams would have loved.

We've been lucky so far in that every other team outside of Manchester has been pretty shit as well and the league is still pretty close. The worry is, as said, we really have had some poor results against teams we really need to beat if we have any ideas of finishing forth, or even top six. Results have also shown that we are only an injury or suspension away from trouble as well.

It's a tightrope we're walking at the moment but we really need to pick up soon and stop conceding stupid goals if we're to get anything out of the season.


December 02, 2012, 03:57:38 AM
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Sir Stealth

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im still confident of a successful 2nd half to the season. Gibson back in the side is massive (didnt see the game today as was in  work but seems to be getting rave reviews). Mirallas back in the side will also be a big boost when it happens. A good loan signing in Jan could really inspire us, I wont mention who I would like it to be but its the obvious one!
You think Lou Bega knocked it out of the park with Mambo number 1?!No but he kept at it!

December 02, 2012, 04:01:44 AM
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Alex6691


im still confident of a successful 2nd half to the season. Gibson back in the side is massive (didnt see the game today as was in  work but seems to be getting rave reviews). Mirallas back in the side will also be a big boost when it happens. A good loan signing in Jan could really inspire us, I wont mention who I would like it to be but its the obvious one!

Riquelme?

December 02, 2012, 04:04:03 AM
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Sir Stealth

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Riquelme?

I'll take any of:Riquelme, Donovan, Straq, Drenthe or Fernandes!
You think Lou Bega knocked it out of the park with Mambo number 1?!No but he kept at it!


December 02, 2012, 04:08:55 AM
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Or Alan Smith

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December 02, 2012, 04:29:42 AM
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I have little faith in the defence but Jagielka was a lionheart. In the main, we stayed organised and disciplined when put under consistent pressure. However, we completely shit ourselves when we scored, conceded the impetus to City and they were always going to equalise. Had it not been the dubious penatly award, I'm sure it would've come shortly after. Everton just went into hiding instead of doing what they had been. All-in-all I'll take the point at Eastlands but they weren't firing on all cylinders and we really need to win soon. To score and then just concede the whole middle of the park to a side as good as City and invite so much pressure onto yourself is criminal. Same thing happened last year except we didn't score.

As for the rest of the season, there's a few things fundamentally wrong with Everton. Obvious lack of depth will remain a concern until we get any serious investment, this may hinder us over the next few months when injuries creep in (especially throughout the winter period). The defence just isn't right, it can't keep a clean sheet. I know today was a penalty but consistently conceding goals to shite opposition just isn't good enough. It's so telling that often the opposition scores against the run of play; the defence can be breached even when seldom tested, by 'lesser' teams. Also, we're not clinical enough with our chances. Again, not specific to today, but throughout the season. Okay, we may get rubs of the green here and there but if you can't get the two basics of football right (ie score and defend), regardless of all the nice stuff you do in between, you'll struggle to achieve anything tangible.

We have had a somewhat uncharacteristically good start to the season but that's only because we've hardly played anyone decent. Only United, Liverpool, Arsenal and City (three of those at Goodison). We still have to go to Old Trafford, Anfield & the Emirates, play Spurs & Chelsea twice and host City at Goodison. We've had a relatively easy start to the season and have pissed far too many points away because the players haven't performed. Key players, we should be able to rely on, like Howard, Heitinga, Pienaar and Jelavic have all had inconsistent (to put it mildly in some cases!) starts to the season.

Funnily enough, I'm sure we'll exceed expectation in games against some of the tougher opposition but that's usually because we tend to raise our game and have a higher level of concentration when playing against the better sides. I'm not saying we'll win them but we may get a point at Old Trafford maybe, maybe a win at the Emirates but it's the mid-table teams and the ones fighting at the bottom that will provide just as stern a test. Teams that come to Goodison and want to cause an upset, with two banks of four or a back nine, and frustrate us.

It's for this reason I feel uneasy saying this is the best team Moyes has had. Maybe on paper it is but the side of 2007/08, even though it employed percentage football a lot more and didn't "play it on the carpet", it would consistently put shit teams to bed and the defence was watertight. That always gives you a chance in any match.




There's a lot of valid points in your reasoning and there are some points that I agree with wholeheartedly. However most of the points I made refer really to the last two games. Arsenal and City. Two of the top teams and we didn't look out of place. I thought after some of the drab draws against teams like Wigan, QPR, Norwich, not to forget the defeat at Reading, had me worried we had lost our way. The last two games suggest otherwise. I'm only making the point that things look more promising due to these two decent performances, against quality dangerous opposition. As I mentioned in the earlier post, my optimism personally is starting to feel more realistic. I really hope we can produce  the goods with this team. I still think 4th isn't beyond us
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December 02, 2012, 05:30:50 AM
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"For them, it's like a champions league final when they play man city here"  :bonk:
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December 02, 2012, 05:31:51 AM
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Azz


Knitted scarf wanker, he'll be out a job in the summer...



and then Moyes will be City manager.  lolol

December 02, 2012, 05:34:34 AM
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The Analog Kid


Didn't want to start a new match thread for the Spurs game as it ain't my place but, Bale out of next weeks game, pulled his hamstring. Just hope Defoe gets a knock now!

December 02, 2012, 05:42:45 AM
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Mayor Farnum


He’ll have to do better than that to wind us up.

December 02, 2012, 05:46:19 AM
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Jimmywhack

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Bad quilt

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December 02, 2012, 05:49:05 AM
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The Analog Kid


Typical managerial whopper comment. Not as bad as Benitez's "when these small teams...." comment though.

Bad prick.

December 02, 2012, 06:08:13 AM
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Big Al


Another attempt to mask his failings as a manager of a club with untold riches ! It's for you to break us down and be tactically superior than us you Douche !

I take his remarks as a compliment
“There is something magical about this club that captures you the minute you step into Goodison – and it doesn’t let you go.”