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December 01, 2012, 08:34:19 PM
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Everton XI to face Man City:
Howard, Hibbert, Baines, Distin, Jagielka, Naismith, Pienaar, Osman, Gibson, Fellaini, Jelavic.

Subs:
Mucha, Oviedo, Heitinga, Hitzlsperger, Barkley, Vellios, Gueye


Hope Baines isn't being rushed back...




With the exception of Mirallas not being there, that's not far off the best we could hope for Imo. Good point about Baines. would hate for him to be out for weeks. Cringe!!
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December 01, 2012, 11:00:58 PM
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happy with that, must beat Tottenham next week now though.



Same as. You're right though, we need to beat Spurs next week. We don't want the opposition for the fourth spot get away from us. But a decent performance Imo. Draw at City! Not bad at all.
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December 01, 2012, 11:31:05 PM
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This Everton side is not a top 3 side, I don't think it's a top 4 side. We'd be lucky to be in touching distance of 4th come the season's end.




Got to say mate I thought our performance today was fairly impressive. The defence actually did their job for once amongst some quality free flowing football. City had their moments, but, we definitely have it in the locker to play much better than today. We are definitely not getting the rub of the green, but that turns up eventually. Personally I think we've still got chances. I reckon the next couple of games will show us more as to ,where we are as a team.
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December 02, 2012, 12:26:01 AM
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Bearing in mind it's Spurs next week and Chelsea before the end of the month with West Ham somewhere in the middle, if we are still three points off top 4 come Jan, I reckon we should fancy our chances. Especially if Benitez   hasn't been sacked by then.





Chelsea are woeful at the moment, lets hope Benitez is still juggling. Even though Spurs have improved their form I don't fear them anymore. We are West Hams bogey team, but I think that is going to be a tough one too. We are starting to work our way through the top teams. Three played 5 points, two to go. The only thing letting us down are results against the lower rated teams. And no one has mentioned how much space Gibson will give to Mirallas. Once they both recover properly and hit their stride, I think they will link really well. Plenty of positives from today, and I have to admit my waning optimism is starting to return.  
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December 02, 2012, 04:29:42 AM
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I have little faith in the defence but Jagielka was a lionheart. In the main, we stayed organised and disciplined when put under consistent pressure. However, we completely shit ourselves when we scored, conceded the impetus to City and they were always going to equalise. Had it not been the dubious penatly award, I'm sure it would've come shortly after. Everton just went into hiding instead of doing what they had been. All-in-all I'll take the point at Eastlands but they weren't firing on all cylinders and we really need to win soon. To score and then just concede the whole middle of the park to a side as good as City and invite so much pressure onto yourself is criminal. Same thing happened last year except we didn't score.

As for the rest of the season, there's a few things fundamentally wrong with Everton. Obvious lack of depth will remain a concern until we get any serious investment, this may hinder us over the next few months when injuries creep in (especially throughout the winter period). The defence just isn't right, it can't keep a clean sheet. I know today was a penalty but consistently conceding goals to shite opposition just isn't good enough. It's so telling that often the opposition scores against the run of play; the defence can be breached even when seldom tested, by 'lesser' teams. Also, we're not clinical enough with our chances. Again, not specific to today, but throughout the season. Okay, we may get rubs of the green here and there but if you can't get the two basics of football right (ie score and defend), regardless of all the nice stuff you do in between, you'll struggle to achieve anything tangible.

We have had a somewhat uncharacteristically good start to the season but that's only because we've hardly played anyone decent. Only United, Liverpool, Arsenal and City (three of those at Goodison). We still have to go to Old Trafford, Anfield & the Emirates, play Spurs & Chelsea twice and host City at Goodison. We've had a relatively easy start to the season and have pissed far too many points away because the players haven't performed. Key players, we should be able to rely on, like Howard, Heitinga, Pienaar and Jelavic have all had inconsistent (to put it mildly in some cases!) starts to the season.

Funnily enough, I'm sure we'll exceed expectation in games against some of the tougher opposition but that's usually because we tend to raise our game and have a higher level of concentration when playing against the better sides. I'm not saying we'll win them but we may get a point at Old Trafford maybe, maybe a win at the Emirates but it's the mid-table teams and the ones fighting at the bottom that will provide just as stern a test. Teams that come to Goodison and want to cause an upset, with two banks of four or a back nine, and frustrate us.

It's for this reason I feel uneasy saying this is the best team Moyes has had. Maybe on paper it is but the side of 2007/08, even though it employed percentage football a lot more and didn't "play it on the carpet", it would consistently put shit teams to bed and the defence was watertight. That always gives you a chance in any match.




There's a lot of valid points in your reasoning and there are some points that I agree with wholeheartedly. However most of the points I made refer really to the last two games. Arsenal and City. Two of the top teams and we didn't look out of place. I thought after some of the drab draws against teams like Wigan, QPR, Norwich, not to forget the defeat at Reading, had me worried we had lost our way. The last two games suggest otherwise. I'm only making the point that things look more promising due to these two decent performances, against quality dangerous opposition. As I mentioned in the earlier post, my optimism personally is starting to feel more realistic. I really hope we can produce  the goods with this team. I still think 4th isn't beyond us
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