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April 07, 2013, 10:29:22 PM
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The standards of some are far too low.

We shouldn't be happy with a point against a team like Spurs anymore, they sure as hell aren't.

This acceptance of mediocrity really needs to stop, every game we draw with teams around us with whom we are competing for top 4/5 places should be looked at as points dropped and nothing more.

Yes, as soon as we stop accepting "mediocrity" we will definitely make the Champions League. That's what's holding us back, not a lack of transfer funds and small squad.

When the have Defoe, Bale, and Lennon out, they can call on Sigurdsson, Dempsey and Adebayor. Which is about 30 millions pounds worth of transfer fees and very high wages. With Fellaini and Pienaar out we call upon Ross Barkley and John Heitinga.

Oh and people aren't happy with a point, but a draw away to Spurs at just about any other time of the year would be considered a good result.

April 07, 2013, 10:31:47 PM
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Also waiting for the obligatory, "doesn't NSNO mean anything anymore?" post.

April 07, 2013, 10:35:18 PM
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We have a squad good enough to be mixing it up with the likes of Spurs and Arsenal regardless.

I wish people would stop using the ridiculous excuse of lack of transfer funds. Moyes' biggest strength has been buying players at far under their value, we have more quality than a lot of sides who spend much more.

Yes the ridiculous excuse of a lack of transfer funds which over pretty much the entire history of football has a direct correlation to where a team finishes.

Our first 11 can compete with just about any team, but our squad depth is absolutely appalling.

Like I said, they lose 3 top players and can bring in 3 more top players. We lose 2 top players and we bring in a kid with potential and decent player in Heitinga.

That clearly has an effect, and any inability to see that is blindness.


April 07, 2013, 10:36:14 PM
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Thank you - its really gets me down with the small time mentality of our fans sometimes

lol small time mentality, yes because we can see that a point away from home to Spurs isn't a disaster we are small time.

April 07, 2013, 10:40:29 PM
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Stop looking at how much each team has spent, it's fucking irrelevant

Should QPR be above us?

Is Leighton Baines still a £5m player?
Is Jagielka worth £4m?
Is Mirallas worth £6m?

I could go on...



Fucking hell are you mad? Irrelevant? It clearly correlates directly to a team's performance over an extended period of time. Of course QPR aren't going to be above us, they have been spending big for 1 or 2 years and started with a far inferior squad.

Spurs have been spending money for years and years, and eventually it brought them into the Champions League and they have built a big squad with it.

Just because we've done well in the transfer market doesn't make it irrelevant. If anything it points to how well we've done given our resources. But their are limits to this. We can't afford to buy proven, top-level players that would give us that extra push we probably need.

April 07, 2013, 10:42:46 PM
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thats an arguement for another day - based on what was out there today we showed we had enough to beat them - u cant blame the transfer budget for the last 5/10mins today

Yes you can. If we had a better striker on the bench, or a better CM or a better winger it could have change the game.

Of course the team we put out was good enough to win the game. But the team Spurs put out was also good enough to win the game. Just because the team we put out is good enough to win the game doesn't mean they will.

Christ these are some very simplistic arguments.


April 07, 2013, 10:43:55 PM
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Well i didnt want to say it but as youve brought it up im guessing it doesnt going off your posts

Yes nothing but the best is good enough. But guess what this is the real world not some fantasy football dreamland where we buy cheap players and dominate the league. Being realistic does not mean not wanting the best, but being the best requires real money not a motto.

April 07, 2013, 10:50:16 PM
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It's irrelevant to the outcome of a single game though.

All that matters then is the quality in each side, not how much it cost.

Yes and the quality of a team is directly related to the money that team spends.

Yes we could have won that game, but saying it is irrelevant in an individual is nonsensical. You could say that in each individual game all season, but in the end quality is determined largely by the ability to spend in the transfer market.

I am not saying that a draw in this game is fine, or that we should accept it. But quite frankly the overreaction on here about getting a point away to Spurs is over the top.

We had the quality to win that game, but overall we played a good game and being realistic a point is not a bad result. Yes winning that game would have been huge for a push for 4th but drawing doesn't leave us much worse off than we were before the weekend.

April 07, 2013, 10:52:09 PM
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spurs' bench was weaker than ours today - at the end of the day people are just accepting the draw cos it was spurs. Had this been against a qpr or a sunderland then im sure a lot more people would agree with mine and verms comments - Moyes seems to be exempt from criticism cos we played spurs - its an absolute joke


Yes because QPR and Sunderland are worse teams!

Moyes isn't exempt from criticism, as I said he should have done something to help Baines deal with Walker. Overall though he got it right and we had our chances to win the game.

April 07, 2013, 10:59:19 PM
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Not at all, look at the difference between us and QPR, Sunderland, Newcastle etc..

Over time, it will, in general, tell.

QPR had a crap squad only a year and a half ago. If they were to continue spending like that (and remain in the league) over the next 5 years they would push on.

Newcastle's net spend is actually not very high because of the money they got for that donkey Carroll.

Sunderland also haven't spent as much in recent years after selling Bent and Gyan for big money.

Look at the teams at the upper end of the table. Spurs, City, Chelsea have all spent big over the last 5 to 10 years to get where they are now. Even Arsenal, who haven't spent much on transfer fees have spent a lot on wages, enough to ensure they can keep a big squad.

April 07, 2013, 10:59:50 PM
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There's a difference between being disappointed with dropping points in a game like today and looking at its context overall.

Everyone will be disappointed that we didn't win given how the game panned out.

But it's hardly a disgrace of a result.

Thank you.

April 07, 2013, 11:06:37 PM
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The player that's carried them all year cost £5m.

They paid 8 million for a 17 year old. We cannot afford to take that risk on potential.

April 07, 2013, 11:10:23 PM
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Who?

(not disagreeing, just don't know)

Bale, they paid an intial 5 million rising to 10 million. Although I think Southampton accepted an early fee.

We simply don't have the luxury of spending 5 million on a player that won't contribute for another 3 years. He was awful in his first two seasons and only started playing well in his third. If we pay that much we need someone who can contribute immediately.

April 07, 2013, 11:20:40 PM
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Bale, they paid an intial 5 million rising to 10 million. Although I think Southampton accepted an early fee.

We simply don't have the luxury of spending 5 million on a player that won't contribute for another 3 years. He was awful in his first two seasons and only started playing well in his third. If we pay that much we need someone who can contribute immediately.

I should also point out that you are using one player as an example which doesn't necessarily represent the rule.

For every Gareth Bale that is bought for decent money at 17 or 18, there are 4 or 5 others that never repay their fee.

Even a team like Spurs, that has generally bought very well, have a huge number of duds.

Look at Kyle Naughton, only this year is he getting any time on the pitch and it's not much. They paid 6 million for him.

Other shit transfers:

David Bentley 17 million
Bassong 8 million
Alan Hutton 9 million
Dos Santos 4 million

And a litany of players we've never heard of for between 2 and 4 million because they never made it.