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Man of the match

Howard
0 (0%)
Stones
0 (0%)
Jagielka
1 (1.6%)
Distin
1 (1.6%)
Baines
3 (4.9%)
Barry
3 (4.9%)
McCarthy
23 (37.7%)
McGeady
2 (3.3%)
Barkley
0 (0%)
Osman
1 (1.6%)
Mirallas
10 (16.4%)
Pienaar (Sub)
11 (18%)
Naismith (Sub)
5 (8.2%)
Hibbert (Sub)
1 (1.6%)

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January 29, 2014, 11:53:37 PM
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It could be a carbon copy of the derby if we don't restructure things at the back. They will play to counter attack, and Alcaraz/Jags combo would likely be a mess again. Have to hope Distin is back.

On top of that there is the situation up front where we don't have a recognized striker. Lukaku made the difference last time out, but we were also fortunate Benteke missed his penalty. Naismith is not a lone striker. Maybe time to bring Vellios in from the cold if we don't have any luck signing anyone else before the window closes.

We have to find a way to win though.
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January 30, 2014, 06:04:05 PM
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Really think we have to give Vellios a look here.

January 30, 2014, 07:17:36 PM
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He's not even ahead of Gueye, based on Tuesday's bench.

Given that if we needed 3 AM subs we were always going to use Naismith, Ossie and McGeady that means Gueye was never under consideration.

If Gueye was never under consideration, how far under is Vellios?!

Yeah, I know. He did the bench recently though didn't he? I haven't seen him play in an age, and what I do recall is rather limited but he must be the closest thing we have to a "target man" sorta CF at the moment. As desperate a shout as that might be.

Barring a late signing who can drop straight in, Martinez has his work cut out this week.


January 30, 2014, 07:23:54 PM
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Yeah he was on a couple of bench's.

I'd guess he'll make the bench in Lukaku's absence from the squad - but whether that's enough to elevate him to 3rd sub would be questionable.

I was thinking more about starting him...!  :whistle:

January 30, 2014, 07:41:01 PM
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I'd be very surprised if that was the case!

Has he even played for the u21s this season?!

Not sure, didn't he score in the first game of pre-season against Vienna?

January 30, 2014, 07:44:35 PM
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I'd love to see McAleny have a chance, he seemed like he was kicking on before the injury. That said he would seem to be suited to the second striker role as mentioned.


January 30, 2014, 07:50:24 PM
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Howard

Hibbert Stones Jagielka Baines

McCarthy Barry

McGeady Pienaar Mirallas

Barkley

Nailed it!  :shock:

January 30, 2014, 08:28:47 PM
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Isn't Barkley much better busting from deep with the pitch in front of him, rather than playing with his back to goal?

He is but as a makeshift CF he does have a few things going for him. He has a great first touch and layoff, good chest control, he's 6ft 2 and solidly built so could stand up to bigger defenders. The latter point is not Mirallas' strong suit, Naismith could do similar but he wouldn't have the same control and doesn't have the same upper body strength.

The more I think about it, the more I like my own idea :)

January 30, 2014, 08:33:01 PM
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Oh my God Barkley up top is an abominable idea!

Ha ha. Perhaps.

I don't think it's much crazier than asking any of our other midfielders (Mirallas/Naismith) to do a similar job though. I see a bit of Rooney's movement and drive in Barkley...maybe that's just me though. Again we're just talking makeshift solution, not where I want to see him every week.

January 30, 2014, 08:39:18 PM
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i would rather Barkley behind Mirallas.
Barkley needs to be driving forward from midfield.

Isn't that Mirallas' strength too...? Driving into the box from the wing? Barkley does it more centrally so he might be suited to playing higher up with Mirallas playing off him.

January 30, 2014, 08:50:18 PM
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Naismith and Mirallas play in the striker role to an extent though and spend a lot of time in the box, Barkley rarely does that.

Kinda. I think they're all attacking midfielders at their core. Yes Naismith could play that position, I just don't think he has the same attributes as Barkley to hold the ball up.

I think you potentially lose something from each of their games playing them higher up. Right now Mirallas looks strong where he is and given his season to date I'm not sure I want to mess with that plus I don't think he'd compete for the ball as much as Barkley would in the centre.

January 30, 2014, 09:02:43 PM
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Out of all 3 of them Naismith is a more natural "box" player.

He also isn't as good as the other two outside the box.

Mirallas and Barkley in their natural positions with Naismith up front keeps us strong in 2 positions - playing the others as a striker means we could be strong in only 1.

I think Osman or Pienaar down the middle would keep us strong in the middle too.

I guess at the core it comes down to a few things:

I think Barkley is talented enough to adapt.
Out of the two Barkley/Naismith I'd rather have Barkley on the pitch (not meant to be a dig at Naismith, I still think he'd be used later as a sub).
Barkley would control and distribute the ball better, even with his back to goal as he comfortable making space for himself.

Naismith is the closest thing we have to a Cahill these days, but he's just missing a little of that same threat and nuisance ability that Cahill had which allowed him to play as the furthest one up the pitch when we had our annual striker crisis.

January 30, 2014, 09:08:21 PM
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Mirallas and Naismith have both played up top though

I'm just going to quote a post from another thread as I think it nicely describes Mirallas' role up top for Olympiakos

Olympiakos used to play with Djebbour as their striker and Mirallas on the left wing (sometimes on the right) During the games Djebbour would move more to the right and Mirallas would then attack the space he left in the center.

On the few occasions he would play as the lone striker, he didn't really lead the line but would mainly drift to the flanks.

He is a lot more effective when coming off the wings and running at defenders. If he was playing as a lone striker he wouldn't have as many opportunities to do so. I'm sure he could do a decent job up top but you would be taking away his best weapon.


Have we completely given up on Traore??

February 01, 2014, 08:07:05 PM
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Subs:

Everton subs: Joel, Hibbert, Naismith, Pienaar, Coleman, Vellios, Garbutt

Coleman on the bench...was hoping for Deulofeu too, but good to see Coleman is close.
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February 01, 2014, 08:10:10 PM
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Pleased to see Distin back for sure. Let's see how we do without a striker.

Vellios made the bench, so we may yet see him this season.