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October 20, 2014, 02:58:33 AM
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Was at that game, remember the chorus of 'one greedy bastard' at Jeffers just before Rooney scored. Perfect timing, remember falling over the seats celebrating. :)
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October 20, 2014, 03:08:48 AM
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Why?The little gobshite made his own bed.Now he's got to lie in his own festering pit of un-fulfilled potential.

Yeah, when he looks at his five league titles, his Champions League winner's medal, the lorryload of player of the year awards chucked in the corner in a heap, his captain's armband for Man United and England, I bet he wonders what might have been and how he failed to fulfil his potential.
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October 20, 2014, 03:25:12 AM
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Yeah, when he looks at his five league titles, his Champions League winner's medal, the lorryload of player of the year awards chucked in the corner in a heap, his captain's armband for Man United and England, I bet he wonders what might have been and how he failed to fulfil his potential.

I'd have stayed.

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October 20, 2014, 03:27:11 AM
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To be fair, I agree in the sense that whilst he has undeniably done well, there is a question mark over whether he really fulfilled his potential.  He may have got to a certain level and been happy with that, or he may have not been capable of better than he currently is.  I believe he could have been better, but he's still pretty good.  But it is really a pointless exercise trying to argue one case or the other.  It was easier for someone like George Best who had his day, had his fun, but wasted his footballing talent.

October 20, 2014, 03:34:42 AM
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To be fair, I agree in the sense that whilst he has undeniably done well, there is a question mark over whether he really fulfilled his potential.  He may have got to a certain level and been happy with that, or he may have not been capable of better than he currently is.  I believe he could have been better, but he's still pretty good.  But it is really a pointless exercise trying to argue one case or the other.  It was easier for someone like George Best who had his day, had his fun, but wasted his footballing talent.

I think with his build he was always going to decline a bit earlier than most. He's not a natural athlete. I still think some of his most exciting moments were in an Everton shirt. That season when we finished 17th, he was the only thing that occasionally dragged us above consistent shiteness.
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October 20, 2014, 03:54:12 AM
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Yeah, when he looks at his five league titles, his Champions League winner's medal, the lorryload of player of the year awards chucked in the corner in a heap, his captain's armband for Man United and England, I bet he wonders what might have been and how he failed to fulfil his potential.

By that measure half our current team should fuck off to United or Chelsea or whoever wants them. Back then was only 7 years since our FA Cup win. We've won fuck all in nearly 20 now. Sure, the team's in a much better state, but guarantees we ain't gonna win a fraction of what the big boys do over the next 20, unless we get new ownership.

Personally I think Rooney despite undeniably successful, has not quite lived up to what might have been. I think Fergie and the united set up were a little detrimental to his development. Whilst I'm not stupid enough to think he should've stayed with us through his career, I personally think he owed us more than the 2 seasons he gave us, and that a couple more years under moyes with a team built around him may well have made him into a better player ultimately.

Fuck knows though, but I don't have the respect for him that I do for Baines, Jags, Arteta and no doubt many others who stuck with us when suitors came knocking. Rooney cashed in as soon as he could, especially brutal after all he said and what he meant. Football isn't just about medals. Especially in this day and age when they're harder to come by.

I'm glad others have found it in them to forgive and apparently support his decision to leave us. But to me, Rooney will always be a cunt.  Fuck him.
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October 20, 2014, 09:55:35 AM
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Why?The little gobshite made his own bed.Now he's got to lie in his own festering pit of un-fulfilled potential.

Didn't mean to like that comment, in fact it's one of the worst shouts I've ever seen on here, and very bitter.

This is just a tiny insight into how wrong you are:


October 20, 2014, 12:35:08 PM
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I'm sure the 300k a week, the League medals, FA Cup medals and the Champions League winners medal allow him to sleep soundly at night  lolol

Overrated and unbelievably overhyped as he obviously is, he's still won it all at domestic level. if he'd stayed with us, he'd have won the grand total of Tony Hibbert... Absolutely nothing bar a Radio City/Motor-range Man Of The Match award.
I've no problem with the fact that he left.It's the way he went about it.Decided he was going in June but leaving the request until right at the end of the window.Shithouse trick that meant we couldn't get top money for him and we were at manures mercy.Don't tell me he's anywhere near fulfilled the potential he showed then.Trophies don't count as personal potential.
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October 20, 2014, 04:22:30 PM
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I've no problem with the fact that he left.It's the way he went about it.Decided he was going in June but leaving the request until right at the end of the window.Shithouse trick that meant we couldn't get top money for him and we were at manures mercy.Don't tell me he's anywhere near fulfilled the potential he showed then.Trophies don't count as personal potential.

come on lad, giving a teenage wayne rooney some machiavellian credit there.
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October 20, 2014, 04:33:39 PM
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come on lad, giving a teenage wayne rooney some machiavellian credit there.

Not only that, it's a fucking idiotic shout in itself. We'd been holding talks with United all throughout the summer. But right from the start it was blatantly obvious that we're desperate to sell and desperate for the money.

So how exactly would it have improved our position, had Rooney further reduced our negotiating power by declaring that he wanted to leave early on?
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October 20, 2014, 05:27:39 PM
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Money talked. Paul Stretford was probably the catalyst for Rooney wanting to go. We bought a lot of decent players with that money and improved markedly, of which the proceeds kept turning over when Moyes was buying and selling. I remember at the time his Gran and Grandad both massive Evertonians saying, "we could buy 5 decent players if he goes to United". Maybe it was them who persuaded him. Or maybe it was Colleen. I think we're all going to have to wait for the book to come out, before we find that one out. Once a Blue always a blue is the thing that sticks with me. I didn't like the way that show of loyalty was dismissed as if it didn't matter. We've got Ross now anyway and I believe personally, he will excel to the extent that he will leave Rooneys abilities in the shade.
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October 20, 2014, 05:42:52 PM
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Money talked. Paul Stretford was probably the catalyst for Rooney wanting to go. We bought a lot of decent players with that money and improved markedly, of which the proceeds kept turning over when Moyes was buying and selling. I remember at the time his Gran and Grandad both massive Evertonians saying, "we could buy 5 decent players if he goes to United". Maybe it was them who persuaded him. Or maybe it was Colleen. I think we're all going to have to wait for the book to come out, before we find that one out. Once a Blue always a blue is the thing that sticks with me. I didn't like the way that show of loyalty was dismissed as if it didn't matter. We've got Ross now anyway and I believe personally, he will excel to the extent he that will leave Rooneys abilities in the shade.
...........Sums things up pretty well and don't forget we finished 4th that season without Rooney. We got our revenge on Manure by sending them Moyes and Fellaini. I don't even want to think about Barkley going anywhere but I think we need to win something this season to make him think he can fulfil his ambitions with Everton.
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October 20, 2014, 06:12:11 PM
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...........Sums things up pretty well and don't forget we finished 4th that season without Rooney. We got our revenge on Manure by sending them Moyes and Fellaini. I don't even want to think about Barkley going anywhere but I think we need to win something this season to make him think he can fulfil his ambitions with Everton.



At the beginning of the season I thought 'we have a real good chance of winning something'. I still think we have. The optimism has cooled a bit due to our poor start and lack of organisation at the club early season though. Having said that the injury list has been jaw dropping at times. but now most of the important players are back fit and raring to go. (Not forgetting Stones Kone and Mirallas, of course). I think this is where we kick on. It happened last season after Christmas. All the injured players started to return almost all at once. Seven wins in a row. We need to do something like that soon if we want to make Europe again. That would be if we are Minus the Uefa Cup, which I have my heart set on. :)
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October 20, 2014, 07:28:15 PM
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i personally can't wait til Konedog's back.
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October 20, 2014, 11:36:20 PM
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come on lad, giving a teenage wayne rooney some machiavellian credit there.
Paul Stretford is equally culpable there,of course.
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