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August 14, 2018, 12:23:21 AM
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Original PE was just a money thing wasnít it?

Was only 2 years before that we had some sub 20,000 league gates.

So while yes, I agree it was short sighted I can also see why a conservative approach was taken.
A lack of money might excuse the initial build/low capacity.

My understanding is that it wasn't built/designed in such a way that future expansion was factored into the designs though. That's not something that money excuses really.
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December 21, 2018, 12:37:16 AM
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Iím not advocating 60k and empty seats.

Iím saying all the forward thinking clubs in the country are aiming for stadia that facilitates those sort of numbers and all the amenities they entail. For the past two and half years weíve been hearing about how we need to bridge this divide, well part of that is portraying ourselves as as close to equals to them off the pitch as possible. This still leaves us lagging massively behind and who knows where these other clubs will be in 4/5 years when we get into BMD.

Even Wolves, a club just up from years in the championship, are planning to have a 50k+capacity stadium soon.





I've been told by someone pretty close to this that once you go over 52k, the costs increase exponentially. Not just on a structural level with the stadium, but the work (and negotiations with eg HE) needed to be done to disperse 52k becomes much more difficult too.

It's a case of a 52k seater there or having to do it elsewhere. The club think the profile of that site is worth it. Though for what it's worth, I'm told there's an opportunity to increase capacity a bit with safe standing.
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December 21, 2018, 06:23:07 AM
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Those problems with EH and crowd dispersal arenít going to go away in the future though are they. In fact if the area gets developed like Peel having been saying gaining planning permission to increase the capacity in the future will only be tougher.
No, you're right, it's kick it down the road.

Fact remains that it's not currently affordable for us to build a substantially larger stadium on that particular site.

The merits of a 52k seater on the docks vs a 55k or a 60k seater elsewhere is a different argument.
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July 26, 2019, 04:27:37 PM
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I personally took pure pelters when I was part of KEIOC and when I was fighting against the Kirkby move.
You all deserve a lot of credit, Si.

There's at least one prominent internet personality with a YouTube channel keeping their yes vote for Kirkby secret too. ;)
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July 26, 2019, 08:37:34 PM
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Reckon they might look in to something like shuttle buses from County Road to BMD so people can still bevvy in their regular boozers and also maintain the business those pubs rely on?
I believe The Brick is. Pubs on Dale St are too.
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July 26, 2019, 08:38:27 PM
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Do we think weíll start seeing some boozers pop up round Bramley Moore?

Theres a few abandoned pubs round there like.
They've pretty much all been well bought up now.
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January 15, 2020, 06:09:18 PM
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How many of the current season ticket holders/those on the waiting list are we expecting to take up tickets at the new gaff? The retention of current season ticket holders is around 95%

With a capacity of 52k - and needing to be able to provide up to 7.8k/15% tickets for away fans in the FA Cup - then we're close to (or over...) the limit with a waiting list of 12k on top of at least 31k current season ticket holders.

It's probably not likely that all of the waiting list will take them up, but does suggest there still won't be loads of tickets available on the day for walk up fans (i.e. tourists here for the day, happy to spend more money).
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January 15, 2020, 06:24:06 PM
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That's the plan because if there were plenty of tickets available on the day a lot of people wouldn't bother with season tickets.
Adult season ticket: £30/match
Adult matchday ticket: £35-49/match

Seems to me that you'd like to increase the amount of single matchday ticket purchases.

It's reasonably sensible to create that demand and guarantee season ticket sales with a lower capacity. And obviously those last 3-10k seats would be the most expensive to build. I'm just curious on their calculations and what the breakdown will be. Feels to me that with a 52k capacity we'll:

1) Be disappointing a few people on the waiting list if uptake is high
and more importantly, 2)  reach a bottleneck where there aren't actually enough tickets available for later generations of young fans to actually become season ticket holders
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February 20, 2020, 04:43:20 PM
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You may week be right as it would be strange not to aim for the start of the season?

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Don't think it's that uncommon.

Tottenham's was scheduled to open in September last season, if I remember rightly. They had their first few games all away from home because of it.
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