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Where will Bilyaletdinov find his home?

Left wing
Right wing
The "Cahill" Role
Centre midfield
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January 06, 2010, 08:38:31 PM
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Pienaar never struggled in his first season at Everton.... HE JUST DIDNT
neither did Mikel...


I cant fucking stand generic bullshit opinions that are quite simply bollocks..

I guess I have a generic opinion too then, as for me in the first 8 games or so he played he was nowhere near the player he became even later that season. Maybe you wouldn't count that as the whole season but I don't think he game out of the gates that strong, probably due to the knock his confidence took in Germany.

Its common sense that you expect a learning curve for any player, maybe you don't count that as "struggling" but there is something to it.

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January 06, 2010, 08:40:18 PM
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I guess I have a generic opinion too then, as for me in the first 8 games or so he played he was nowhere near the player he became even later that season. Maybe you wouldn't count that as the whole season but I don't think he game out of the gates that strong, probably due to the knock his confidence took in Germany.

Its common sense that you expect a learning curve for any player, maybe you don't count that as "struggling" but there is something to it.

Yeah, what he said.

January 06, 2010, 09:20:15 PM
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Pienaar's 6th dreadlock from the right


I think Bily has potential and is easily the best passing football player in our team. But him saying that we need to start playing more attacking passing football instead of hoofing the ball up the pitch is right but he is not in the right position at the club to be saying that you can tell this fella could be our captain in a few years he's that kind of player I think. He was captain at Lokomotiv aswell and the fans loved him so he has the potential.


January 06, 2010, 09:48:20 PM
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I think he played in the centre for Russia, and was excellent. As he has been poor of late on the wings, I'd hope he'd be a good central midfielder.
Oh well, at least Baines is still ace.

January 06, 2010, 10:07:52 PM
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Pienaar never struggled in his first season at Everton.... HE JUST DIDNT
neither did Mikel...


I cant fucking stand generic bullshit opinions that are quite simply bollocks..

He did struggle, he never really made any form of impact in the team in his first season. It was similar circumstances to what we are discussing now with regards to Bily and Fellaini . . . HE JUST DID YOU KNOW.

January 06, 2010, 10:22:01 PM
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I wouldn't say yet that he is a waste of money, as i was saying this when Piennar first started. However on the flip side he never cost us 9m did he?

To be honest mate recently i have seen our so called wingers being a lot more central whereas they should have chalk on their boots right?

could we also say then that it could be partially down to what Moyes is asking him to do that may be contributing to a lack of form?

Thinking of it, would you think even if we had a fully fit squad would moyes persist i  playing him or do you think that he would make him work for his place?

The thing is, we don't have a single winger at the club. Pienaar is the closest to it, and he normally cuts inside.

So we needed a winger, yet we get another central player to put out there instead.

And yes, his form could be down to Moyes playing him out of position. He made it known when he arrived that he prefers to play central.
Give a man a fish, he eats for a day. Teach a man how to fish, the government will tell him to register his business license, pay income tax, pay payroll, pay for fishing permit.


January 06, 2010, 10:30:35 PM
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I think Bily has potential and is easily the best passing football player in our team. But him saying that we need to start playing more attacking passing football instead of hoofing the ball up the pitch is right but he is not in the right position at the club to be saying that you can tell this fella could be our captain in a few years he's that kind of player I think. He was captain at Lokomotiv aswell and the fans loved him so he has the potential.

Its quite a bold statement to make that he's easily our best passer...

i have no doubt that he's got ability, but at the moment we've seen very little of the kind of form he produced for russia and his league side.

give him time and im convinced he will come good though
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January 06, 2010, 10:43:47 PM
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Its quite a bold statement to make that he's easily our best passer...

i have no doubt that he's got ability, but at the moment we've seen very little of the kind of form he produced for russia and his league side.

give him time and im convinced he will come good though

He's our most adventurous passer and can pull off passing the best.

January 06, 2010, 11:01:10 PM
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He's our most adventurous passer and can pull off passing the best.

not sure about that mate. wouldnt say he's better than artetas at picking out passes and feeding players through. his delivery is good as we've seen from his corners etc but at the moment his link up play is nowhere near artetas..
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January 06, 2010, 11:10:22 PM
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At this moment in time Fellaini is passing the ball better than Bily.  Bily is a more skilled player but that means shit if everything you try doesn't work.  I thought he was great first few games and I think he will be again but left wing isn't working out for him right now.  He has bugger all pace and for a big lad has no strength either, he gets knocked off the ball more the Baines and considering his size, not much less than Osman.  He is potentially a great attacking midfielder but as Blargins said, we don't need another one so were that leaves us fuck knows.

January 06, 2010, 11:15:33 PM
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It reminds me of the Barmby deal back in the 90's. We only got him because he was available, but we didn't really need him. Took him 4 years to be any good too and then he fucked off.
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January 06, 2010, 11:43:21 PM
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It reminds me of the Barmby deal back in the 90's. We only got him because he was available, but we didn't really need him. Took him 4 years to be any good too and then he fucked off.

Aye, I do sometimes think we buy playersa nd are almost grateful that they decided to come to us.  Rather than thinking,

"They are lucky buggers getting to wear the blue".

Everton seem to have a,

"I can't believe someone wanted us", attitude.

January 07, 2010, 12:04:42 AM
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He did struggle, he never really made any form of impact in the team in his first season. It was similar circumstances to what we are discussing now with regards to Bily and Fellaini . . . HE JUST DID YOU KNOW.

He didnt struggle, your wrong.

he wasnt are best player in his first 5 games obviously, but even ill allow him that to settle, but he was actually outstanding at times in his first season.

pienaar and artetas loan moves were effectively like trials, and judging by the fact we signed both,they obviously impressed.

they didnt struggle in their first seasons, and the arguments against that fact are woefull...

January 07, 2010, 12:12:59 AM
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be more specific in your argument... saying ''he never really made any form of impact'' is stupid..

do you think he looked like a talented footballer? did he look quick and tenacious? did he look hungry? because he did to me, even in his first game.

Bilya doesnt.. to me he looks like he has a good brain, he looks like he nows how to play yet cant, he looks clumsy on the ball,pulls out of tackles and seems to lack a bit of passion and commitment.

January 07, 2010, 12:16:51 AM
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I guess I have a generic opinion too then, as for me in the first 8 games or so he played he was nowhere near the player he became even later that season. Maybe you wouldn't count that as the whole season but I don't think he game out of the gates that strong, probably due to the knock his confidence took in Germany.

Its common sense that you expect a learning curve for any player, maybe you don't count that as "struggling" but there is something to it.


Have a read of this...



Amidst a period of increasing panic among Evertonians in the summer of 2007 as a weakened, threadbare squad remained virtually untouched as a European campaign loomed, David Moyes moved quietly to secure the services of Steven Pienaar.

An established South African international, Pienaar arrived on a season-long loan from Borussia Dortmund after failing the daunting task of filling the considerable shoes of Tomas Rosicky.

It wasn't hard to see why the German club thought they had captured a gem — Pienaar had been groomed at the bastion of footballing excellence, Ajax Amsterdam. But he struggled to find his feet in the Bundesliga and was deemed surplus to requirements.

Chiefly regarded as a central midfielder he was used to act as “link” player before Sneijder took over that position at Ajax. And although it's believed that he dislikes playing on the wing, it was wide left where he established himself at Everton, rapidly warming to life at Goodison Park.

By October, it was clear that Moyes had pulled off another transfer masterstroke. With his quick movement, speed of thought and willingness to make things happen, Pienaar was one of the stars of an Everton side that went unbeaten for 13 games in all competitions, moved into the Carling Cup semi-finals, the latter stages of the Uefa Cup and the European qualification slots of the Premier League by Christmas.

Such was his impact that when his senseless trip on Ryan Giggs three minutes from the end of a hard-fought game at Old Trafford handed Manchester United victory when Cristiano Ronaldo scored from the spot, few could come down too hard on him. His contribution to the side up to that point had been enormous.

There was a predictable clamour for Moyes to make his loan move permanent in the January 2008 transfer window but the manager, presumably safe in the knowledge that he could sign him for £2.5m at season's end per the original terms of the loan, insisted that he would use the rest of the campaign to assess the South African.

As if further evidence of his importance to the team were needed, Moyes tried to eke out every last minute of playing time from Pienaar before he left for African Nations Cup duty that month and announced his intention to include him in the League Cup semi-semi at Chelsea.

That threatened to land both Everton and the player in trouble with the Safa and Fifa who made no bones of the fact that regulations state that participating players must report for duty 14 days from the start of the tournament — in this case, 12 days away — and not from the country's first game — in South Africa's case, 15 days away.

In the end, Everton had to concede defeat, both in that club-versus-country battle and, minus Pienaar, the semi-final itself.  But the young South African was signed up a while after he returned on a permanent 3-year contract.

But he was to miss the first six weeks of the new season with a broken toe sustained  in the last pre-season friendly, against PSV. When he finally appeared, it was clear he had the skills and the flair so sadly lacking among most of the Everton team. But his strenuous efforts rarely produced anything of real note in terms of end product, despite catching the eye.

Nevertheless, he combined well with Baines to form a good partnership down the left side. Towards the end of his second season, it looked like the promise he brought to the team may finally bear fruit.

Indeed, going into the following 2009-10 season, Everton needed to rely even more on Pienaar as the creative spark in Arteta's long continuing absence.  But an ugly knee injury, inflicted by his compatriot and South African team captain Mokoena in a league game at Portsmouth put him out for two months in which Everton managed only one win.

By Michael Kenrick and Lyndon Lloyd
Last updated December 2009