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September 24, 2010, 08:22:39 PM
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Sell Bilyaletdownov for what we can get. Bring back Lescott on loan and Donovan either loan or permanent, depending on finances.

Who's with me?

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September 24, 2010, 08:25:17 PM
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Why the fuck not...?!

September 24, 2010, 08:27:41 PM
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I expect better threads from yourself Rimbo lad, your standards are slipping (or you're pissed).


September 24, 2010, 08:30:41 PM
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I expect better threads from yourself Rimbo lad, your standards are slipping (or you're pissed).

Maybe it's my anger towards the team and the situation manifesting itself into whacky threads/ideas.

I don't know though, our defence has never looked the same since Lescott left. Getting him back alongside Jagielka would make us solid again (they played well enough together for England the other week).

Going off last season Donovan would be a massive help.

We haven't got the money to pull both off though so we need to raise it somewhere. To me, Bilyaletdinov is not going to play much, he can't get into the team ahead of Osman and even now, a year on from signing, he's looking no more comfortable or settled from when he first joined.

Also, where does he fit in? I suppose Moyes could give him a go in the Cahill role but he's too stubborn to try it out. As he is with Heitinga and Jagielka.

September 24, 2010, 08:41:58 PM
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We havent looked settled since Lescott left because we have been playing Distin at CB who is a liability. How many times have we actually played Jagielka and Heitinga CB? They could be great but Moyes wont do it for some reason and decides to play him DM instead of a specialised DM who is quality there  :headbang:

Also it wouldnt cost much to get Donovan back. Im unsure on Bilyaletdinov. He has end product but no work rate. I think he deserves another full season to work on it. We cant really consider Moyes's judgement of players right now as good because hes been an awful manager so far this season.

September 24, 2010, 08:44:01 PM
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City is having defending issues so I would be shocked if they let him leave on loan.
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September 24, 2010, 08:44:47 PM
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We havent looked settled since Lescott left because we have been playing Distin at CB who is a liability. How many times have we actually played Jagielka and Heitinga CB? They could be great but Moyes wont do it for some reason and decides to play him DM instead of a specialised DM who is quality there  :headbang:

Also it wouldnt cost much to get Donovan back. Im unsure on Bilyaletdinov. He has end product but no work rate. I think he deserves another full season to work on it. We cant really consider Moyes's judgement of players right now as good because hes been an awful manager so far this season.

See, that's what I thought though. We don't need Lescott because we have Heitinga who was excellent there last year. But I am resigned to the fact the stubborn cunt won't dip his toes too deep into the pool so the only way he could solve it is go back to what he knows...Lescott and Jagielka. I see no harm in a 6-month loan deal.

I don't think it's Bilyaletdinov's work rate, it's his mental application. He runs about enough but every now and then he'll just switch off and cost us something defensively and he just can't involve himself for 90 minutes, he drifts in and out. Donovan is far more consistent.

I am a Bilya fan, at least I was last season. There's a footballer in there, I know there is. I just don't see where his future is at Goodison though.

September 24, 2010, 09:00:58 PM
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Can't see City letting Lescott go anywhere. He's their best defender imo, he plays a decent amount of games at leftback and he should be well ahead of Toure who's absolute dogshit. Haven't seen much of Boateng (injured?) to see how good he really is, and Company isn't as good as him.

I'm not against selling Bily though, because by Christmas we should know if he's ever going to settle or not, also think Heitinga is on his way out. If they both leave we should have about 12m to spend, with which I'd hope to bring in a big, uncompromising CB to go alongside Jags (Cahill, Shawcross, someone better than them?), and hopefully put the rest towards a right sided player in the summer or in January if one is available. Although unless Bill frees up some extra cash (from where I don't know), or we sell some players I don't think it'll be enough to buy anyone significant.

September 24, 2010, 09:04:15 PM
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Thing is though buying players isn't going to solve the issue of Moyes simply not playing people in the right position.  I would prefer it if we tried to get something out of the quality players we have got rather than sell people off without giving them a chance.  Is it sad that I secretly am not displeased if we get minor injuries to players like Distin and Osman so Heitinga, Gueye, Bilya and Coleman have a shot?

September 24, 2010, 09:09:20 PM
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Thing is though buying players isn't going to solve the issue of Moyes simply not playing people in the right position.  I would prefer it if we tried to get something out of the quality players we have got rather than sell people off without giving them a chance.  Is it sad that I secretly am not displeased if we get minor injuries to players like Distin and Osman so Heitinga, Gueye, Bilya and Coleman have a shot?

It's a sad state of affairs, I'll give you that.

September 24, 2010, 09:23:28 PM
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Sell Bilyaletdownov for what we can get. Bring back Lescott on loan and Donovan either loan or permanent, depending on finances.

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I'm with ya.... now if we could find a way to afford Lescott's wages.
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September 24, 2010, 09:31:04 PM
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I'm with ya.... now if we could find a way to afford Lescott's wages.

Offloading Bilya and making Yobo's deal permanent should see to that. After all, we have just broke the structure for Arteta. So what does it matter now anyway?

September 24, 2010, 09:32:23 PM
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See, that's what I thought though. We don't need Lescott because we have Heitinga who was excellent there last year. But I am resigned to the fact the stubborn cunt won't dip his toes too deep into the pool so the only way he could solve it is go back to what he knows...Lescott and Jagielka. I see no harm in a 6-month loan deal.

I don't think it's Bilyaletdinov's work rate, it's his mental application. He runs about enough but every now and then he'll just switch off and cost us something defensively and he just can't involve himself for 90 minutes, he drifts in and out. Donovan is far more consistent.

I am a Bilya fan, at least I was last season. There's a footballer in there, I know there is. I just don't see where his future is at Goodison though.

Thats what happens to wide players. I remember the same thing with Arteta. Once he was moved to the centre he became a real influence. Bilyaletdinov needs to be getting played behind the striker to get the best out of him. He is not a winger so why play him there. Even thought last season he was involved in 19 goals he still wasnt a starter. This season he has bearly played and got 1 assist for Coleman. I dont think its his confidence or talent at all. Moyes wont play him due to his work rate alone in my opinion. He would rather have a talentless grafter on the pitch than him which is a shame.

September 24, 2010, 09:48:28 PM
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Thats what happens to wide players. I remember the same thing with Arteta. Once he was moved to the centre he became a real influence. Bilyaletdinov needs to be getting played behind the striker to get the best out of him. He is not a winger so why play him there. Even thought last season he was involved in 19 goals he still wasnt a starter. This season he has bearly played and got 1 assist for Coleman. I dont think its his confidence or talent at all. Moyes wont play him due to his work rate alone in my opinion. He would rather have a talentless grafter on the pitch than him which is a shame.

That's the thing though, Moyes won't play him behind the striker or in the middle. He's not adventurous enough to do so. He's a talented footballer and in the right hands maybe he could be a talent. Under Moyes though, I just can't see him progressing.

September 24, 2010, 09:51:42 PM
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That's the thing though, Moyes won't play him behind the striker or in the middle. He's not adventurous enough to do so. He's a talented footballer and in the right hands maybe he could be a talent. Under Moyes though, I just can't see him progressing.

So overall its Moyes's fault. Not Bilyaletdinov's which is a shame because he is the person who will get all the stick for it. He is the sort of player who could take us into the top 4 but Moyes is hopeless at using him. We probably wont see the best of him because of it. I mean it took him 5 years to move Arteta into the middle  :headbang: