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June 18, 2017, 04:52:53 AM
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i still wish and hope he stays as i think he will come good if we get realy good players around him


June 18, 2017, 05:07:15 AM
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Lxxx


Are we just glossing over that recent analysis that appeared to conclude that Barkley is a much more effective player than Sigurdsson?

Difference being one of them isn't signing the contract we've put on the table and the other one may well do.

June 18, 2017, 07:00:07 AM
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He was at least as good as barkley last season. A few years younger and we pay him a hell of a lot less. Barkley has been afforded time to develop. The issue is he hasn't developed

No the issue is that people blindly fall for young players and build them up to things that they are not.

Ross Barkley is a better footballer than Tom Davies, Ross Barkley can do things with a football that tom davies couldn't do in his wildest dreams.

However, tom fits the system. Tom plays simple passes and played them successfully. Ross invites pressure, plays difficult passes and tries to beat players 1 on 1, even when he then has to beat another and another until he loses it.

If tom ever gets 10 and 10 in the prem I'll eat my hat. He's a fucking brilliant player and I love him but people talking about 'x factor' and 'passion' and other shite - Ross can take a midfield out the game with a turn and burst of pace, or put it on a plate for the forward, or if he wants, put the ball in the top bin with either foot...he's a fucking fantastic player, and don't think he's not just because he's struggled for a year.
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June 18, 2017, 07:08:46 AM
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No the issue is that people blindly fall for young players and build them up to things that they are not.

Ross Barkley is a better footballer than Tom Davies, Ross Barkley can do things with a football that tom davies couldn't do in his wildest dreams.

However, tom fits the system. Tom plays simple passes and played them successfully. Ross invites pressure, plays difficult passes and tries to beat players 1 on 1, even when he then has to beat another and another until he loses it.

If tom ever gets 10 and 10 in the prem I'll eat my hat. He's a fucking brilliant player and I love him but people talking about 'x factor' and 'passion' and other shite - Ross can take a midfield out the game with a turn and burst of pace, or put it on a plate for the forward, or if he wants, put the ball in the top bin with either foot...he's a fucking fantastic player, and don't think he's not just because he's struggled for a year.


Same could be said about Davies doing things Barkley could only dream of..

June 18, 2017, 08:28:03 AM
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No the issue is that people blindly fall for young players and build them up to things that they are not.

Ross Barkley is a better footballer than Tom Davies, Ross Barkley can do things with a football that tom davies couldn't do in his wildest dreams.

However, tom fits the system. Tom plays simple passes and played them successfully. Ross invites pressure, plays difficult passes and tries to beat players 1 on 1, even when he then has to beat another and another until he loses it.

If tom ever gets 10 and 10 in the prem I'll eat my hat. He's a fucking brilliant player and I love him but people talking about 'x factor' and 'passion' and other shite - Ross can take a midfield out the game with a turn and burst of pace, or put it on a plate for the forward, or if he wants, put the ball in the top bin with either foot...he's a fucking fantastic player, and don't think he's not just because he's struggled for a year.

Great post. At  Spurs he'd have fans fawning over him.

June 18, 2017, 08:36:07 AM
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Great post. At  Spurs he'd have fans fawning over him.

While he signs autographs for them sitting in The stands next to them.
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June 18, 2017, 08:43:07 AM
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Same could be said about Davies doing things Barkley could only dream of..


June 18, 2017, 09:00:31 AM
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Ramjam


Nice goal, just not enough of em
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June 18, 2017, 05:03:18 PM
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Tinga


When was the last time Barkley did anything like that?, he seems like he's taken that unpredictable part out his game. I'd obviously preferred he stayed though, no question. We need players.

June 18, 2017, 05:16:42 PM
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TheRam

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Yeah, you don't see him picking the ball up from deep and beating men anymore.

That part of his game has defo gone backwards.
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June 18, 2017, 05:28:01 PM
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Ross can take a midfield out the game with a turn and burst of pace, or put it on a plate for the forward, or if he wants, put the ball in the top bin with either foot...he's a fucking fantastic player, and don't think he's not just because he's struggled for a year.

How often does he do all that though? It's rare that he does these things which is all the more frustrating as we know he can.

June 18, 2017, 05:32:16 PM
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BlueBeagle


How often does he do all that though? It's rare that he does these things which is all the more frustrating as we know he can.

Yeah but that's Martinez fault foe not being strict enough, oh no sorry it's Koemans fault for not rating him, or was it the fans fault for being on his back too much?

June 18, 2017, 05:36:59 PM
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Lxxx


Both could potentially turn into great players however the difference is you have to ask the question has Ross plateaued and if so why?

When Ross was at Davies' stage in his career he was doing what Tom is now. Was that just the enthusiasm of youth and lack of expectation?

In my opinion Ross could still be that player but he needs to address what goes on inbetween his ears. If ever a player was crying out for some kind of sports psychologist it's Ross. However Koeman strikes me as the kind of guy who would look upon that as mental weakness and deem him not good enough. I may be wrong.

June 18, 2017, 05:46:15 PM
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Dr. Sponge


It's not a difficult one to work out, Ross is just too inconsistent with the basics, like keeping possession and following his man.

If he's played as a wing forward, then these shortcomings aren't terrible, but when he's playing central, the team really suffers.

I'd like him to stay and improve, but he has to sign the contract.

June 18, 2017, 05:53:42 PM
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sam of the south


Both could potentially turn into great players however the difference is you have to ask the question has Ross plateaued and if so why?

When Ross was at Davies' stage in his career he was doing what Tom is now. Was that just the enthusiasm of youth and lack of expectation?

In my opinion Ross could still be that player but he needs to address what goes on inbetween his ears. If ever a player was crying out for some kind of sports psychologist it's Ross. However Koeman strikes me as the kind of guy who would look upon that as mental weakness and deem him not good enough. I may be wrong.

I do think that Barkley has real problems with confidence.

This has culminated in him losing his identity as a player; as was rightly mentioned, he rarely drives from midfield beating players with his power and pace anymore.

He has been effected by having two contrasting managers, and this has messed with his head too.

I guess you have to question what we want from him.

I want him to drive, beat players, shoot more, look for forward passes, and press.

The trouble is, I'm not sure what Koeman instructs him to do (other than the preshing and forward pashes... sorry ☺️)
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