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June 19, 2017, 04:25:27 PM
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I think it feels well awkward and embarrassing, because he's one of us, and it looks to the outside world like he thinks he's too good for us.

That's the way a lot of non-Evertonians are talking about it anyway.
I always accept that during the season the hype around the game and the thrill of going to see Everton is what it's all about. It's an escape into something between the experience of actually seeing and being part of something that is both emotionally captivating and exciting and real on the one hand and a fantasy world of all 'being one, loyalty, attachment etc on the other.
In summer I see only the hard reality of professional football. Players who are ambitious to win and want to earn as much as they can, clubs who have to run a business and balance the books and a media fighting to sell their stories to fans whose appetite for transfer news is insatiable.
We will be hurt and angry when a player dares to walk away from our club accusing him of being disloyal, greedy and worse. We'll replace him with someone who has walked away from  another club whose fans will see him as disloyal etc but we'll welcome him and expect him to kiss the badge and die for the club. Until his form drops and we want him to eff off!
Ross is a professional footballer who feels he is worth X pounds and is at a club who thinks he is worth Y pounds. He looks around at clubs in the CL and has to decide whether to go for that now or gamble he MIGHT get it with Everton. We need to be less emotional and more hard headed as fans in a transfer window!
My opinion, for what it's worth, is that whilst he is very very good I'm not sure he can step up to the pinacle of being great and he might find other clubs think that and they won't be beating down the door to get him. A sideways move - yes but a move to one of the very top clubs? Not sure. He could be still here with an injured ego come kick off.
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June 25, 2017, 06:31:01 PM
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It's a bit ironic that Ross seemed to be leading all this and many were really worried about his loss to us.  3 months on and Ross is being left behind and becoming an irrelevance. I can't see a 'better' move for him career wise (excluding financial as he should be rich enough by now to have trophies as his priority not money) as apart from half hearted interest from Spurs there's barely been even media speculation about where he might go in terms of a 'big' club. He'd walk into any side below us but for him that's likely to be just deja vu.
His most immediate risk is suffering serious injury to his ego.
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July 17, 2017, 09:40:26 PM
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FLASHBACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1  PRIMARY SCHOOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MORNING BREAK IN PLAYGROUND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!        "FIGHT! FIGHT!" and we all run over to watch.
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July 18, 2017, 06:50:03 AM
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There's a wonderful parallel in this thread. A discussion about mental illness and being rich with, on the whole, an acceptance that being rich doesn't protect you from it.
Here we all are unhappily scrapping and arguing and why? Because since time immemorial we have been so poor that all our transfer dealings are done after tea on the final day of the window! This year?  We're rich, we've bought massively by mid July and there is now an empty meaningless void lasting until the end of August.
No, wealth definitely doesn't make you happy and it screws up forums. I suggest we show Moshiri the door, send back this summers signings and get a refund and wait on signing Arnautavich late evening on the 31st.
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July 18, 2017, 09:05:20 PM
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World War 3 won't be about energy, food, water or land. It will be the Marmite Wars. Kim is so angry at the world because no-one will sell him any.
I thought he was angry because the world had threatened to drop marmite into his country?
Kim, banter, marmite -this is going to take quite a special post to link it back to Barklay
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July 19, 2017, 05:21:17 PM
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FFS......the sooner he goes......
Regrettably I have to agree with you. However, I'm not convinced he has that many options so it might not come down to what he wants.
On the other hand his financial value is immense and rich backer or not I can't see the club just chucking away 30-50m for the sake of 12months.
No player is bigger than a club whatever the rights and wrongs and Ross could be currently looking up from the bottom of a very big hole.

*** Arsehole jokes welcomed from hereon
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July 20, 2017, 12:19:16 AM
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Ron's gonna take him some grapes and Ross will sign and live happily ever after.
He'll get the best medical treatment there is except that anaesthetics and pain killers aren't available for anyone with less than 12 months to run on their contract
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July 30, 2017, 10:29:31 PM
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Someone I know who works at W Brom heard that as well. Might explain the deafening silence from everyone.
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August 12, 2017, 05:26:01 PM
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It's a racist epithet for Jewish people.
Something I had never noticed until I retired is that once you stop work and the day to day banter and socialising is greatly reduced then, as a consequence, you lose touch with the change of language that I never even realised was happening before! 'Yid' has been around for decades so I knew that but every now and again I see words on here and I have no idea what they mean! In addition the meaning of some words changes as well in my lifetime gay only used to mean light hearted and happy!
A few weeks ago I saw a word (can't remember what it was now - that's another age thing!) that meant something ordinary to me but is now also racist.
I wonder how many people end up being misinterpreted because of things like this? 🤔
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September 01, 2017, 10:36:48 PM
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Apart from the fact that a fee was agreed between the clubs and he talked (directly or via his agent) to Chelsea everything else is speculation.
If he wanted Spurs that much his agent would be sorting that - not going this far down the road to Chelsea.
We'll get dribs and drabs of information over the coming weeks so might understand it more then. In the meantime all we can say is that it all seems a little bizarre.
'What if' there was a reason like stress and being unable to make a sound decision?  Will we be as tolerant and understanding as we are with Lennon or will we crucify him because his 'episode of mental ill-health' was centred on Everton in the full glare of the media?
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September 02, 2017, 02:19:34 AM
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The discussion will go on because there are so many bits that don't fit. Other players wanting away (here or any other club) we may not like it but it makes sense and fits together irrespective of any 'moral' issue.
This doesn't yet.
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September 02, 2017, 03:04:33 AM
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Does anyone on here really hate him. I think if he intends to leave for nowt or even a massively reduced fee in Jan then we should make his last season difficult for him by not playing him
I don't hate him though. He's just 1 of the 99.9999999% of footballers who ain't loyal. He's good not great. He's potential which he may or may not realise. He's a bit soft. I'd like to see him fail because that's human nature. Hate him though? Christ no. I'd be surprised if anyone on here really did
Why do we expect loyalty from a paid employee?  We have a right to expect hard work and doing ones best but anything more?
Most of us change our jobs in our lifetime ' why shouldn't a footballer? It's just that on average a players career is condensed into just under 10 years.
Another thing is that no matter how hard a player may try if he fails to live up to our expectations (even before he's played sometimes):then we publicly insult them, abuse them and denigrate them. We call them shit and still expect them to kiss the badge and stay loyal.
People need to get real.
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September 02, 2017, 03:20:58 AM
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You need to take into account all the professional careers that ended early for a variety of reasons and also look beyond the PL.
According to the PFA the average pro career is 8 years
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September 02, 2017, 04:26:46 PM
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Read my original post - it's not about Ross and whether he is ill. The slightly bizarre (and you have to admit it is) circumstances just set me thinking whether we would be as understanding of Ross as we were of Aaron because the final actions that brought it out in the open for Aaron were not centred on Everton and if Ross (or any other player) had a similar episode but it was centred on the club would we be as tolerant? It was a hypothetical question about mental health.
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