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September 02, 2017, 04:06:41 AM
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i,ve heard some of the shit and vitreol shouted at him from the stands just for making a mistake, and its not very nice, ive nearly come to blows with the arseholes who were shouting it, the problem is, he's heard it too and it has had an effect on him along with getting punches in bars, and probably added together with other things he's up to has decided its time to get away and ply is trade somewhere else, good luck to the lad if thats the case, i would have liked him stay here, but we all move jobs, thats all it is

TBH mate every footballer gets booed from time to time, from what I've seen Spurs fans aren't the most friendly / patient as Sissoko who they were all hailing last year. As for getting punched on a night out, I've been punched on a night out and I bet half the posters on here have as well, idiots with too much to drink are sometimes hard to avoid. Don't agree with booing never have myself, can't see the point in it.
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September 02, 2017, 04:38:22 AM
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Koeman should take his locker key off him !
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September 02, 2017, 06:47:49 AM
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Anyway so we've now decided Barkley might have mental health issues?  Jesus this just goes on and on.  I swear he could be a convicted serial killer and there'd still be sections of our fan base saying he's misunderstood and it's actually our fault.  It's beyond kopite delusion with this kid.

Naah, you've turned discussed possibilities into 'we've decided'? It's just further speculation on what may be going on, in the absence of any facts that make sense. Using serial killers and kopites to try and make that point is just reductio ad absurdum.


September 02, 2017, 06:58:12 AM
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It's not irrational either.

Well it is irrational, by definition, as it's an emotion. Although I suppose technically you could offer a rational explanation of why people experience that emotion?

"Hell hath no fury like a Blue fan scorned"? I'm not convinced many people really hate him, but there does seem to be a lot of the crazy screaming hatred usually found in a messy breakup, probably one involving infidelity. It's weird, but it's like we (as fans) are aware that something has probably gone on (it's the talk of the town after all..) but not really sure exactly what, so we are seeing ill deeds on his part like fleecing the club, money grabbing, delusion, without any actual evidence. Whether we are paranoid, he is guilty, or a bit of both? Remains to be seen. If it ever is..

September 02, 2017, 07:05:43 AM
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I think the club have proved their compassion towards ailing mental health with their exemplary handling of Aaron Lennon's situation.

If, as some are suggesting, Ross has similar difficulties, he would do well to trust the club that has always stood by him and open up.

It's a guess, but I suspect if he is having those kind of problems (whether just stress related, fed bullshit related or something deeper) than he is unaware of it, isn't being told it/doesn't believe it, or is held back from doing something about it. Without knowing the lad personally I wouldn't want to guess, but my experience of mental health issues tells me there could be a thousand reasons of varying degrees.. So to label him 'mentally ill' or conclude that he's a lucky rich man and should 'get a grip' are both pretty flawed statements to make. I only hope that if it is mental health related that he gets the bit of luck/random co-incidence it often takes for people struggling to find a way in life. I've little doubt if he did open up about things like that to the club, they would support him all the way and help him however they could. But like many problems, the person concerned has to realise/accept they have a problem, and ask for help. Sadly, that is often the hardest step to take, regardless of financial status, background, situation or any other judgemental criteria some might like to apply.
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September 02, 2017, 09:07:01 AM
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You don't have to go so far as talking about mental illness.

Last season Ross didn't really have any other players around him his own age. We had younger (19- 20) and older (27+). Half of them were fresh out of school and the other half are married with kids. There was Lukaku, but Ross would've known he'd be leaving. Now we've got Klassen (24), Keane (24), Pickford (23) and Sandro (22) so things are a bit different.

I'm not saying Ross wanted to leave because he's got no friends his own age, but maybe if he did have some lads who he bonded with he'd feel more of an attachment to the actual squad. Everyone needs support and peers to connect with. Maybe he knew he'd have that opportunity at Spurs.

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September 02, 2017, 11:22:33 AM
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I am honest here when I say I can't stand Barkley right now, I really can't. But if you have me the choice between Barkley and Koeman... it's Barkley everytime
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September 02, 2017, 12:09:34 PM
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You don't have to go so far as talking about mental illness.

Last season Ross didn't really have any other players around him his own age. We had younger (19- 20) and older (27+). Half of them were fresh out of school and the other half are married with kids. There was Lukaku, but Ross would've known he'd be leaving. Now we've got Klassen (24), Keane (24), Pickford (23) and Sandro (22) so things are a bit different.

I'm not saying Ross wanted to leave because he's got no friends his own age, but maybe if he did have some lads who he bonded with he'd feel more of an attachment to the actual squad. Everyone needs support and peers to connect with. Maybe he knew he'd have that opportunity at Spurs.

Interesting thought. Even rich footballers need peers. Fits with his little burst of form after Tom broke through, as he had a role to play in the 'family', but once the novelty wore off he could have been lacking the peer support necessary to feel he belonged. Sure, the older players like Jags and Baines were probably really nice and supportive, but you need peers, not just mentors and young players to guide. Some people deal with that sort of thing better than others, as a lad who has never left his home town or club, he's never had to build the 'being alone' muscle. Particularly when he had Bobby tucking him in with Nutella and a spoon at bedtime..

September 02, 2017, 01:21:44 PM
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The guy plays a sport that he loves for a living. Is rewarded with huge amounts of money that will secure his own and all his loved one's futures. At Goodison, he walks out onto the pitch to the roar of 40,000 passionate and doting spectators. He's been offered a pay packet worth an annual £5,000,000 a year. He's turned it down and can't, as of yet, put it down to Everton not being ambitious.

He's put himself into a situation, where he's turned down a contract at Chelsea, the home of the English Premier League Champions, refused to sign for Everton and if all goes well can add another 2 to 3 million a season by pocketing his transfer fee, or a huge proportion of it, at the expense of his boyhood club.

I've got to say "I'm an empath and a soft hearted person". But when people start blaming the situation on his mental health, they're clutching at straws. Are those people hurt, confused, and in no small way protecting their own feelings?

It may not be Barkley who's pulling the strings, but I can guess the brotherly advice is not far from the source, of "the world according to Lukaku". Amongst others. He's had his mind changed by stronger people than himself. What we are seeing is the result of that change. What seems odd, is Barkley seems confused. He's not mad. I do believe, he is definitely either unintelligent, easily led, or is affected by the glory he's witnessed first hand, that money would seemingly have to offer. He's a sheep in amongst the wolves in sheep's clothing.

For what it's worth, my opinion where his intelligence is concerned is. He's inarticulate and not stupid at all. but is easily led.
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September 02, 2017, 03:34:56 PM
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"Last season Ross didn't really have any other players around him his own age"

I thought the mental illness shout was pathetic enough but he wanted to go to Spurs because he didn't have any mates the same age in the team? Peoples heads have well and truly gone.
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September 02, 2017, 03:54:17 PM
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"Last season Ross didn't really have any other players around him his own age"

I thought the mental illness shout was pathetic enough but he wanted to go to Spurs because he didn't have any mates the same age in the team? Peoples heads have well and truly gone.



Lukaku was the same age range. I know it's just the one like. I would think he exerted quite a bit of influence over him though.
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September 02, 2017, 04:05:54 PM
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Both sides of this argument are rather hyperbolic and silly.

Every now and again players run down contracts. He seemed up for the Chelsea move but I'd imagine he got a text from a Spurs connection telling him to sit tight and put his feet up for 3 months.

Doesn't mean he's about to throw himself off a bridge, purposefully did Everton out of 35m out of spite, or got fed up of having no mates his own age. He's just acting how some professional athletes act.

Let's put our rational hats on here, guys.

September 02, 2017, 04:26:46 PM
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Read my original post - it's not about Ross and whether he is ill. The slightly bizarre (and you have to admit it is) circumstances just set me thinking whether we would be as understanding of Ross as we were of Aaron because the final actions that brought it out in the open for Aaron were not centred on Everton and if Ross (or any other player) had a similar episode but it was centred on the club would we be as tolerant? It was a hypothetical question about mental health.
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September 02, 2017, 04:36:49 PM
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Let's put our rational hats on here, guys.

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September 02, 2017, 05:19:57 PM
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Your life can go tits up sometimes without you being mentally ill . He doesn't want to play here anymore and I think Koeman is a part of the reason . The other part is he is ( like Rooney did ) leaving it to his agent who as we all know only has his clients best interests ( not his percentage ) at heart . It is a part of the modern game that ( irrationally as Mr White points out ) has fans feeling or expressing hatred towards players . You take the money you take what goes with it over 90 mins in that arena . I fail to see why people give the lad shit outside though .