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September 05, 2017, 03:56:17 PM
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Dr. Sponge


I think Ross has decided for a while now that he wants to go to Spurs. Not for the money, but for his career. He's seen Pochettino turn average players into stars and England regulars. Alli, Dier, Rose, Walker and especially Kane. He went through all the England youth teams as a star while Kane struggled for starts. If we had accepted Spurs bid he would have signed for them this summer. We didn't so he's decided to wait until January. He's injured so it's not like he was going to be playing anyway until December.

As for handing in a transfer request. He doesn't really need to do that when his manager has said that he is for sale already.

Strange when a player is relying on one manager to turn him into a better player.

Tadic didn't do too badly under Koeman at Southampton, who plays a similar role as Barkley should be playing.

We have Rooney who Barkley could have learnt a lot from.

He just doesn't want to be at the club, and it comes to a point where it doesn't even matter what the reason is...

He's an evertonian, turning down a fortune to play for Everton, to go to a rival club to sit on the bench.

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September 05, 2017, 04:00:15 PM
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BlueNoseMike


How is the loyalty bonuses worked out, is it determined on their earnings or length of time at the club or what?

I'm basing this purely on Football Manager 15* like but I think it's a set amount agreed in the contract


*up to the year 2028 and absolutely bossing it btw.

September 05, 2017, 04:13:07 PM
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BlueNoseMike


From a footballing aspect I can absolutely see the attraction of Spurs. Good core of young players developed by (Imo) the best coach in the league. He's turned the likes of Rose and Walker into top fullbacks, made Dembele effective and has improved Dier a shitload.

However, on the flip side, I just can't see how he fits in. He wouldn't be a starter and he doesn't really show the workrate that Poch well, rates. In that sense he is a bit similar to Sissoko who Poch has seemingly froezen out to some extent. He might back himself to force his way into the team, if so then respect, that's the sort of attitude and mentality I'll admit I didn't think he had.

My big bug bear in all of this is, the fact that he is leaving his boyhood club at a time when we are on the cusp of closing the gap on the likes of Spurs. Like I say if he finds Koeman a hard task master and their relationship is strained basically because Koeman is asking him to do the hard stuff, then good luck at Spurs mate, you'll struggle with that as they're on another level with the fitness and defensive organisation and pressing.

Taking away the fact he is a blue, I'd still have said signing a new contract and being a more likely starter for Everton, would improve him more than probably being a sporadic squad player at Spurs.

Like I say, it's the timing of all of this + the fact he's seemingly willing to wind his contract down. This isn't a Rooney type, where we'd been on the brink of relegation, light years away from competing and needing the money. We're a team that (transfer deadline debacle aside) is on the up with better players, new stadium on the horizon and a good cance to compete with a manager that will improve the tactical game of the likes of Barkley. Just an odd way of treating his boyhood team.

But as others have said he should have been offered a contract last summer.

I know people moan when he is mentioned, but this is just another example of Martinez fucking us up. 2 years of nothingness has lead the likes of Barkley to consider leaving us, and for a team in that time that has overtook us and then some. Moshiri was 12 months too late sadly


September 05, 2017, 04:42:45 PM
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Jamokachi


Like I said it's sticks and stones on a forum ...ffs what is this place for if not for this

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September 05, 2017, 04:52:31 PM
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gizzblue


Adult discussion. That's what's made this place so great for the last decade.
Not to mention most but unfortunately not all have a modicum of humour in their life .

September 05, 2017, 05:15:15 PM
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Lxxx


Surely this thread should be locked now? Transfer window gone, he's injured till December and there's nothing much left to say that hasn't already been said.


September 05, 2017, 05:18:55 PM
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KoemansNumberTens


Well you sure are making a song and dance about it, considering you're not arsed like.

Here's the way I see it; he wants to leave, he probably wants to join Spurs. Yea, that's pretty disappointing. But, this is his career. This is his life. If he feels that there is a better opportunity out there for him than what Everton can provide then he's probably going to take it. If he is going to Spurs, it's not going to be about the money. We pay more than them these days. Chelsea pay more than them. Neither he nor Everton can make Spurs bid for him, especially when he's injured. So what can he do? He's getting all this abuse for not signing for a club that he didn't want to go to. Christ, how ridiculous is that?!

I'm gutted he wants to leave, but what exactly has he done wrong? Nothing. He's kept his head down, and kept his dignity. He hasn't agitated for a move and he hasn't spoken ill of the club or fans.

That's why I find the abuse pretty disgusting. We're all grown adults here, but some of you are acting like toddlers. Everton was here long before Barkley, and will be here long after. If he wants to go to pastures new, fine. He's just one player. So can we please just leave the embarrassing abuse at the door?

I want to join Spurs too. I imagine you wouldn't mind either. Why aren't we hanging around waiting for Spurs? The problem is he's been tapped up. Now it goes on a lot but it normally leads to the club making a bid rather than dragging it out for 18 months for a free transfer

Him and Spurs have conspired to do us out of our transfer fee. If he's had zero contact with Spurs then he's done nothing wrong

September 05, 2017, 09:36:51 PM
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I'm gutted he wants to leave, but what exactly has he done wrong? Nothing. He's kept his head down, and kept his dignity. He hasn't agitated for a move and he hasn't spoken ill of the club or fans.

This is the key statement for me and we won't see eye-to-eye on this and probably why others are still arguing with you too. I am ready to stop because to be honest I've said my piece enough times in this thread, what I found interesting here is I feel I could turn all the above points you've made into a negative.

What has he done wrong? = What has he done right?
He's kept his dignity? = He's afraid of the backlash.
He hasnt agitated for a move? = He hasn't signed his new contract, I mean seriously man how is that not agitating for a move?
Hasn't spoken ill? = Irrelevant, he doesn't speak at all!

September 05, 2017, 09:42:08 PM
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He knows full well he is a 50 million+ player (in contract) and out of contract he knows full well Everton will get nigh on fuck all for him. THAT is doing a wrong to a club that made him the very lucky millionaire that he already is. Whether people think, like to, or like not to think so, that is the fact of it - he's done the dirty on us. Such is life though and I wont lose much sleep over it, it just weakens the club I love, and it makes it worse because he is (still) one of ours.

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September 06, 2017, 12:04:00 AM
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Ross


Included in the Europa squad

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-europa-league-squad-includes-13577241

And more on what happened on TDD

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Antonio Conte’s failure to speak to Ross Barkley while the midfielder contemplated a move to Chelsea on transfer deadline day last week was the result of direct instructions from the club.

The Times has learnt that Chelsea decided to keep the head coach away from transfer negotiations after his unsuccessful talks with Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain the same week, which ended with the Arsenal midfielder opting to join Liverpool.

Chelsea’s tactics backfired however, as Barkley chose to return to Everton to continue his rehabilitation from a hamstring tear and is instead expected to seek a transfer in January. Contrary to reports, the 23-year-old player did not get anywhere near Stamford Bridge or Chelsea’s training ground in Cobham. He is believed to have changed his mind about the move en route from Liverpool to London, a decision at least partially influenced by his failure to speak to Conte.

Barkley had asked to speak to Conte to seek clarification about the Italian’s plans for him after Everton accepted a £35 million bid from Chelsea last Thursday, but a call never materialised. Conte’s relations with the Chelsea board have been tense throughout a difficult summer in which there has been considerable disagreement over transfer business and he is not believed to have had an active role in speaking to targets when the deadline neared last week.

Conte had told Oxlade-Chamberlain that he would be competing with Victor Moses for the right wing-back spot if he moved to Stamford Bridge, which was instrumental in him deciding to join Liverpool where Jürgen Klopp has promised him the chance to play in central midfield, but Chelsea have been careful not to blame Conte for missing out on the player as they seek to improve relations now the window has closed.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/antonio-conte-kept-out-of-ross-barkley-deal-ztsprtn0w



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September 06, 2017, 02:59:16 AM
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Does that list of forwards look wafer thin for the europa league, or what? 16 weeks till we can sign any forwards. :(
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September 06, 2017, 07:30:43 AM
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Ramjam


Does that list of forwards look wafer thin for the europa league, or what? 16 weeks till we can sign any forwards. :(

Looks very thin, could have done with another 2 options up top especially as Rooney is no longer an out and out striker anymore
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September 06, 2017, 10:00:35 AM
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Marky Mark and the funky


Included in the Europa squad

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-europa-league-squad-includes-13577241

Local paper can't even spell Klaassen f.f.s.

Real reason for posting, I checked that list against Everton official website. Callum Connolly is in, does that indicate we actually have a recall option on his loan? I thought you weren't allowed to do that with season long loans anymore?

September 06, 2017, 04:34:39 PM
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Ross


Local paper can't even spell Klaassen f.f.s.

Real reason for posting, I checked that list against Everton official website. Callum Connolly is in, does that indicate we actually have a recall option on his loan? I thought you weren't allowed to do that with season long loans anymore?

Not sure about the Connolly situation, although he'd obviously be handy given it looks like he's comfortable filling in at leftback. But I thought Barkleys inclusion may have future ramifications for any January transfer. If he gets some game time and Spurs fail to qualify from their tough looking group he'll be ineligible for them in the Europa after Christmas which may mean they're reluctant to move for him and hold out till the summer.
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September 06, 2017, 06:09:24 PM
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Not sure about the Connolly situation, although he'd obviously be handy given it looks like he's comfortable filling in at leftback. But I thought Barkleys inclusion may have future ramifications for any January transfer. If he gets some game time and Spurs fail to qualify from their tough looking group he'll be ineligible for them in the Europa after Christmas which may mean they're reluctant to move for him and hold out till the summer.

Not sure it matters too much to them. Based on their record in that competition or appears to be one they don't really give a shit about tbh