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July 14, 2017, 03:26:21 PM
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Dowell needs lots of matches vs proper players to learn how to get round not being that strong and not that quick.

Osman would be the best example here so it might be a couple of years before Dowell is properly ready.

Dowell has a very slight frame but he's still quite tall. Get him on the weights and see if he can get some shoulders.

Alli only has a very slight frame and is similar technically, but he uses his body very well and is aggressive with and without the ball. Think dowell should look at him for inspiration.
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July 14, 2017, 03:56:29 PM
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Dowell has a very slight frame but he's still quite tall. Get him on the weights and see if he can get some shoulders.

Alli only has a very slight frame and is similar technically, but he uses his body very well and is aggressive with and without the ball. Think dowell should look at him for inspiration.



Why get everyone on the weights. Natural balance is a prerequisite for certain types of individual. Body mass is not always ideal in certain circumstances. By the logic of Dowell turning into some Marvel comic Thor character. Maybe after spending 50 million on Sigurdson, we should get him on high protein diets and bodybuilding regimes, to improve his ability to flatten people, but fuck right up the very thing we bought him for in the first place.
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July 14, 2017, 04:13:12 PM
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Why get everyone on the weights. Natural balance is a prerequisite for certain types of individual. Body mass is not always ideal in certain circumstances. By the logic of Dowell turning into some Marvel comic Thor character. Maybe after spending 50 million on Sigurdson, we should get him on high protein diets and bodybuilding regimes, to improve his ability to flatten people, but fuck right up the very thing we bought him for in the first place.

Because modern football is played by super athletes, not ballet dancers.
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July 14, 2017, 04:15:22 PM
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Because modern football is played by super athletes, not ballet dancers.



So Messi is a big guy. Yeah?
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July 14, 2017, 04:16:34 PM
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Because modern football is played by super athletes, not ballet dancers.
..............Giggs did ok with a slight frame ,mind you it was reinforced by all those twigs on his chest .
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July 14, 2017, 05:05:17 PM
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So Messi is a big guy. Yeah?

No, he's a super athlete though.
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July 14, 2017, 05:06:58 PM
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No, he's a super athlete though.



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July 14, 2017, 05:07:03 PM
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You can be a tiny, low centre of gravity sharp turn midfielder, or a pacey midfielder, or a tall, strong midfielder, but there's almost no room whatsoever for a lanky waif with technique and no physical presence.

Give me one example of a player like that playing in a top league.
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July 14, 2017, 05:38:18 PM
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You can be a tiny, low centre of gravity sharp turn midfielder, or a pacey midfielder, or a tall, strong midfielder, but there's almost no room whatsoever for a lanky waif with technique and no physical presence.

Give me one example of a player like that playing in a top league.
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July 14, 2017, 05:43:40 PM
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You can be a tiny, low centre of gravity sharp turn midfielder, or a pacey midfielder, or a tall, strong midfielder, but there's almost no room whatsoever for a lanky waif with technique and no physical presence.

Give me one example of a player like that playing in a top league.


Di Maria and Ozil.

July 14, 2017, 05:51:27 PM
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You can be a tiny, low centre of gravity sharp turn midfielder, or a pacey midfielder, or a tall, strong midfielder, but there's almost no room whatsoever for a lanky waif with technique and no physical presence.

Give me one example of a player like that playing in a top league.



Lanky waifs without physical presence, don't need much room whatsoever.
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July 14, 2017, 05:52:17 PM
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I think you are both right pjk and brap2.  Dowell needs to get some weight not to be like THOR but just to be stronger without diminishing his abilities.
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July 14, 2017, 05:53:55 PM
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You can be a tiny, low centre of gravity sharp turn midfielder, or a pacey midfielder, or a tall, strong midfielder, but there's almost no room whatsoever for a lanky waif with technique and no physical presence.

Give me one example of a player like that playing in a top league.

You mean kind of a player Pat Nevin was?

July 14, 2017, 05:57:01 PM
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It's how strong you are mentally really. You can have the broadest shoulders like Rom and get brushed off the ball easily or you can be smaller with a slighter frame like Roy Keane and be renowned as one of toughest players to play against.

I think you can generally tell within a few games which players have it upstairs and which don't. My fear with Dowell from watching him is he just doesn't have an aggressive streak whereas a smaller lad the same age like Davies does.
You either have 'it' or you don't, no amount of weights can create that mental toughness on a pitch.

July 14, 2017, 06:36:01 PM
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Di Maria and Ozil.

Ozil a good shout.

Di Maria a pace machine though.

Anyway as our good mate Ari says, it's not about turning him into Thor, just getting a bit more about him to cope with men's football.

I think undsworth said he struggled with his growth spurt, reminiscent of m Keane's story actually, probably difficult for him too because he's used to being a little tricky player with quick feet then suddenly has to deal with big gangly legs and a totally different centre of gravity.

I love watching dowell he's a quality technician, strikes a ball beautifully as well, clearly a very good understanding with Davies but yeah I would worry about him in men's footy.

Someone on twitter said send him to the continent to develop in a different atmosphere. France or Germany would be good. Physical but good focus on tactical elements and technical ability.
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