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September 09, 2017, 11:43:45 PM
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Bluedylan


Can anyone tell me what our plan is with the ball, and what our pattern of play is to attempt to break teams down?

(over a season into the job)
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September 09, 2017, 11:45:15 PM
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kramer0


Can anyone tell me what our plan is with the ball, and what our pattern of play is to attempt to break teams down?

(over a season into the job)

Play the ball over the top or cross it for Lukaku.

September 09, 2017, 11:49:38 PM
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sam of the south


Can anyone tell me what our plan is with the ball, and what our pattern of play is to attempt to break teams down?

(over a season into the job)

It seems to be to get the ball to full-backs that can't/arent very good at getting forward that can't cross it into a striker that isn't there.

It also seems to be to pass the ball sporadically, and ponderously around, whilst nobody moves for the player on the ball.
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September 09, 2017, 11:56:54 PM
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Mayor Farnum


It depends on what the job is.

Is it to safely keep Everton upper mid-table? Then yes, he's the man.

Is it to get us closer to, or even ahead of, the six clubs that are currently better than us? No, barring a sustained run of luck.

We're paying him all of that money, and spending tons on the types of players he wants, for the modern Premier League equivalent of Moyes results. It's a huge waste. We could get a lot more for the amount of money we're willing to spend.

Edit: In retrospect, it's a slightly disturbing that unattached Lucien Favre was on our shortlist but we chose to pay a ton for Koeman instead. We spent more for a manager with an inferior track record. The board needs to stop worrying about this "proven in England" nonsense. The majority of the top-end PL managers, and even players, that we've seen in recent years have come from outside of England. You get less for more when you shop in the Premier League.

That's the budget he is working with so any manager would struggle to make an impact on the teams above us unless we show real ambition.


His results are worse than Moyes's. Just like every manager we've had since Moyes.

September 10, 2017, 12:03:19 AM
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Realist


I'm getting that Martinez vibe from him. Just hope it doesn't take as long as it took to get of Roberto as it does for Koeman.
At least we played some great attacking football under Martinez but we were shit at the back, now we're shit at the back and awful going forwards too

September 10, 2017, 12:04:15 AM
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Marky Mark and the funky


Edit: In retrospect, it's a slightly disturbing that unattached Lucien Favre was on our shortlist but we chose to pay a ton for Koeman instead. We spent more for a manager with an inferior track record. The board needs to stop worrying about this "proven in England" nonsense. The majority of the top-end PL managers, and even players, that we've seen in recent years have come from outside of England. You get less for more when you shop in the Premier League.

Just curious on this one aspect because, at the time of the brown-shoes imposter getting sacked, I did research some of the managers we were linked with and remember being excited about this one. Did he not reject us because a firm offer came in from Nice whilst we were still debating on potential candidates?


September 10, 2017, 12:07:39 AM
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Realist


That's the budget he is working with so any manager would struggle to make an impact on the teams above us unless we show real ambition.


His results are worse than Moyes's. Just like every manager we've had since Moyes.

It's not even about making an impact on what happens above us, we're going backwards massively and the team looks a mess with no direction

September 10, 2017, 12:20:25 AM
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kramer0


Am I the only one who hated the attacking play in Martinez's last two seasons?

I thought lumping it to Lukaku was actually an improvement.

September 10, 2017, 12:21:13 AM
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KoemansNumberTens


It's not even about making an impact on what happens above us, we're going backwards massively and the team looks a mess with no direction

I'll have you a bet we finish top half. Any amount of money you like (within reason)

September 10, 2017, 12:21:59 AM
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Realist


Can anyone tell me what our plan is with the ball, and what our pattern of play is to attempt to break teams down?

(over a season into the job)

Someone might be able to tell you, Koeman won't because he doesn't know himself the joke

September 10, 2017, 12:22:41 AM
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KoemansNumberTens


Am I the only one who hated the attacking play in Martinez's last two seasons?

I thought lumping it to Lukaku was actually an improvement.

Yeah it was shite. His attacking play was just to keep it and hope

I'd actually be happy for us to sign crouch now and play long ball. Least that's a complete system of play we'd have the elements for. We seem to not have the squad to play any style at the moment

September 10, 2017, 12:23:13 AM
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Realist


I'll have you a bet we finish top half. Any amount of money you like (within reason)

I'll bet you any amount you want that we finish below where we finished last year

September 10, 2017, 12:30:09 AM
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Realist


Am I the only one who hated the attacking play in Martinez's last two seasons?

I thought lumping it to Lukaku was actually an improvement.

Probably because Lukaku was / is a great striker, it'd be a terrible style of play with a poor striker

September 10, 2017, 12:34:43 AM
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BlueBeagle


Am I the only one who hated the attacking play in Martinez's last two seasons?

Everything about his play was abysmal, front and back.

September 10, 2017, 12:35:44 AM
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Marky Mark and the funky


You know we're fucked when you're left debating the relative merits of trying to sideways pass our way up to Lukaku, vs playing direct balls in to Lukaku, when the key point is we no longer have anything close to a Lukaku :(