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August 08, 2017, 10:10:24 PM
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August 08, 2017, 10:27:23 PM
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The lad is still a teenager.

Yes we paid a decent fee for him but how many lads that age are ready to play in the first team of a club hoping to challenge in the top 6?

If he stays but isn't up to starting, which his involvement at the end of last season suggests, then his playing time will be limited to a few minutes here and there or cup games against shit sides.

If the club think it's better for his (and our) long term benefit to go on loan at a decent level, fine.

People stressing out like fuck over someone who featured in 2 of our final 12 games of the season, one of those times being for just a single minute.
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August 08, 2017, 11:14:34 PM
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More than anything, I think he needs to play regular football, and build his strength and confidence. I like him, and I can see a big future for him, genuinely. I'd hate for him to be getting the occasional game or sub appearance for us, and not be developing. If that's how Koeman is going to use him, a loan to a strong Championship club or lower Prem club would be preferable.
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August 08, 2017, 11:19:54 PM
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More than anything, I think he needs to play regular football, and build his strength and confidence. I like him, and I can see a big future for him, genuinely. I'd hate for him to be getting the occasional game or sub appearance for us, and not be developing. If that's how Koeman is going to use him, a loan to a strong Championship club or lower Prem club would be preferable.

I suppose he's a bit different to most given his time not in the professional game.

We might think he needs more "coaching" at our level, than others like Dowell who have had nothing but that from an early age.

He's had that type of real life experience so he may benefit more from being around better players every day.

August 09, 2017, 04:13:04 AM
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I suppose he's a bit different to most given his time not in the professional game.

We might think he needs more "coaching" at our level, than others like Dowell who have had nothing but that from an early age.

He's had that type of real life experience so he may benefit more from being around better players every day.

It's a hard one because I think he lacks an understanding of the game like players like Davies and Dowell have. Question is is that something that is lacking in him naturally or because he hasnt been in club football for very long? And then do we think we can coach that side with him or do we think he will benefit from playing 90 minutes every week in competitive situations where he develops his appreciation.

I dont think he is ready to start games for us week in week out but can certainly play a role off the bench but again if he is going to be 3-5th sub when we have everyone in and fit then is it better for him to be somewhere he will get more game time, I'd imagine it is. He has natural talent but now it is about learning to use what he has and develop his appreciation for what is happening around him. Then on the flip side ignoring what is best for him and thinking what we need he is one of the only attacking players with pace and one of the few that can play in a more traditional wider role so if we do loan him we are taking away an option we need.

And I dont think we should loan him to lower premier league team I actually think someone like Derby would be better. If you loan that type of player who will make a lot of mistakes while he is learning to a premier league club worried about relegation you can end up with a Gnabry type situation where with all thats at stake and the money for survival where the managers go for the safe option over the maverick where the long term development of him is irrelevant. Better off him being here and coming off the bench than that. With derby the level might not be as good however they are more likely to stick with him and get the minutes and chances for development he needs.

August 09, 2017, 04:15:03 PM
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I would personally like to see him stay and play 20-30 games for us this season, rather than see him go out on loan. He's already played almost 50 games for Charlton in the Championship and League One. I think it would be better for him to stay in and around the first team squad, playing with better players and getting experience in the Premier League. He's got pace in abundance and an eye for goal, which at this moment in time we are seriously lacking.


August 09, 2017, 05:23:19 PM
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I reckon he should start over mirallas. But I'd have DCL over them both

Shoot me.

I'd have Mirallas personally. I see what you're saying though. I like Lookman as an impact sub. Don't think DCL offers much to be honest, not yet.
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August 09, 2017, 05:39:11 PM
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I'd have Mirallas personally. I see what you're saying though. I like Lookman as an impact sub. Don't think DCL offers much to be honest, not yet.

We say this stuff but you actually like the IDEA of Lookman.

DCL has done much much more in his short time, Lookman he looked tactically and positionally inept, but fast and fun so the idea of bringing him on is exciting.

If he does go on loan I will be gutted but again I think I'm gutted at the losing the idea of Lookman, rather than what he actually does!

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August 09, 2017, 05:40:40 PM
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P.s no chance he plays 20-30 games unless he makes a meteoric leap forward.
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August 09, 2017, 05:54:37 PM
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I don't see why he couldn't play 20+ games for us this season, when we are involved in 4 competitions. Would like to see him introduced like Sterling was at Liverpool. He played 36 games in his first full season.

Unless we sign 2-3 quality attacking players (hopefully with some pace), I don't see how he wouldn't be involved regularly. Obviously not the finished article, but well worth some game time this season.

August 09, 2017, 06:11:10 PM
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Personally, I would like Lookman to stay put for the season and punt him out on loan if he doesn't show enough this season. I would have preferred that to happen with Dowell. The difference in the two, is the shortage of pace up front. Whereas we are chockablock with midfielders. I don't expect Mola to go out on loan,  but stranger things have happened at sea. :)
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August 09, 2017, 06:16:09 PM
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We say this stuff but you actually like the IDEA of Lookman.

DCL has done much much more in his short time, Lookman he looked tactically and positionally inept, but fast and fun so the idea of bringing him on is exciting.

If he does go on loan I will be gutted but again I think I'm gutted at the losing the idea of Lookman, rather than what he actually does!



Yeah it's easy to say that though, DCL has also had more of a chance. I've found him a bit lacking, static and short of guile as an AM option. Maybe he can grow into a decent forward, but I don't think he's as potentially influential or able to change the dimension of a game as the other two.
 Agree with you its the idea of Lookman though, but especially with the current squad, he offers something different...a different threat for defenders to worry about. At least until Yala is back anyway.
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August 09, 2017, 06:41:20 PM
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Yeah it's easy to say that though, DCL has also had more of a chance. I've found him a bit lacking, static and short of guile as an AM option. Maybe he can grow into a decent forward, but I don't think he's as potentially influential or able to change the dimension of a game as the other two.
 Agree with you its the idea of Lookman though, but especially with the current squad, he offers something different...a different threat for defenders to worry about. At least until Yala is back anyway.

Yeah i know what you mean, would love him to have a Sterling-esque season as someone said above, just get the feeling Koeman likes the look of him but he hasn't done enough of the reliable stuff.

Definitely got a touch of gold dust about him.

DCL, there's something about him Koeman likes and I think we saw a glimpse in Europe. He's big, strong, good frame and good technically in terms of first touch, lay offs, little bit of tight space dribbling (not like skinning people but retaining possession).

If he develops well think he's going to be a really good number 9.
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August 09, 2017, 07:15:57 PM
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A loan move to a side like Bournemouth would be perfect.
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August 09, 2017, 07:39:07 PM
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I think he'd be absolutely gutted if we sent him out on loan. Understandably so.