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August 18, 2017, 04:46:19 AM
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He plays with a lot more maturity than his years. We've got our keeper, centre half and centre midfield there for the next ten years, all English and all boss.

August 18, 2017, 05:09:37 AM
Reply #1


Gonna be very harsh to judge any of our players based on the 4 premier league games coming up.

If we have any aspirations of anything other than just the best of the rest though these are the games where our players need to stand up and be counted. The bigger players at the bigger clubs thrive in these games.

August 18, 2017, 03:29:18 PM
Reply #2


It's not how we do against the top 4 that will determine where we finish, it will be how we do against the bottom 12.

It's how we do against every team in the league which will determine how many points we end up with..

August 18, 2017, 06:06:31 PM
Reply #3


Of course.

There are 78 points available from the bottom 13 compared to 36 from the top 6 though.

At this stage in our progression, how we do against the top 4 is much less important than how we do against the rest. The players we've signed should be judged accordingly.

Games against the top 6 shouldn't be seen as a free swing anymore. We didn't do too bad last year against them overall and this year we're better equipped.
It's this mindset that needs to change.
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October 21, 2017, 04:45:36 AM
Reply #4


Hes not proven to be 30m worth of defender yet though has he.

October 23, 2017, 04:50:30 PM
Reply #5


One of the lads who I work with used to scout for Burnley.

I spoke to him when we signed Keane and he remarked that he is very solid, dominant in the air and a relatively good passer of the ball, without being a John Stones type. He did go on to say however, that the Burnley backroom staff recognised that Keane plays best in a narrow back four when he has the protection of a full back tucked in close. He isn't good when isolated or when needed to go out to the flanks as he has a tendency to loose his positioning/spatial awareness and be easily bypassed. Given how lacking in formation we are currently, our centre halves (whoever they may be week to week) are being pulled into the flanks far too often leaving huge gaps in the middle.

It feels too soon to judge him, particularly given the number of different people he has had playing next to him, but fair to say he is totally lacking confidence at the moment.

You can see that in his play, he's a very simple defender who is pretty good at the basics. For 30m though you'd like to have a bit more though and although he's got time on his side and very low on confidence I don't think think he's impressed that much to be honest. For a young lad he's pretty slow and he's not as mobile as I thought he'd be. I also thought he'd be a bit more of a leader coming from Man U and from what he showed at Burnley.

I guess we'll not really find out how good our summer signings are until they are under different management so they can now start afresh, again.

October 23, 2017, 05:25:39 PM
Reply #6


I think this is a general point as well for players around the pitch.

We hardly ever have 2 games in a row with the same system, a lot of the games we arent having the same system for the start of the second half that we had in the first! So for Keane it isnt just having a different centre half and right back next to him, it can also be changing from a back 3 to a back 4 one half to next or one game to next. How can you settle or get some consistency in what you are doing when that is happening.

But as I said thats the same for centre midfielders, wide players people all over the pitch. No coincidence that Leicester had the run they had 2 years ago, Chelsea same last year where they had the same system game after game and players playing the same roles game after game. We might have to rotate players with the number of games we have had but there is no excuse for him changing the system as often as he is doing.

It would be much easier for the players to try and get some consistency in their play and form if they knew the system they were playing and their role in that system inside out.

Might this have something to do with it?

"But I don't know. For every manager working with 28-29 players, you can't keep everybody happy. That's my opinion but I don't know."

Maybe he's trying to juggle everyone and pleasing no-one.

October 23, 2017, 06:02:08 PM
Reply #7


He just needs a lot of pace around him to look decent and a keeper/sweeper to mop up when he gets done over the top for pace.

So basically we're needing to spend over 30m to make our 30m defender look better. Which is just so typically Everton. 

October 23, 2017, 06:10:13 PM
Reply #8


Is this the folly of buying the best players from bottom half teams?

Keane looked good for Burnley but in a very specific system where the full backs were narrow, the midfield deep and he could concentrate on defending a very small part of the pitch. Defending on the half way line with less protection is a completely different ball game and you'd hope we'd factored this in to our scouting.

Although it's probably unfair to judge as the entire team is fucked from front to back.

True. He's getting no protection even though we play two defensive midfielders and he's been asked to play with Martina and his walkabouts, Holgate and his rashness and inexperience and Kenny who is just out of short trousers. That's not even going into the rotating old men to his left.

October 23, 2017, 06:44:18 PM
Reply #9


We all know that anyway, even Koeman knows that, hence his demand for a left-sided CB.

Baines is coming to the end now, as is Jags and Williams, Holgate and Kenny are still very raw and Martina is bang average. With Keane, Pickford and Coleman we have the starting blocks, but we need another LB and another 2 (at least) CBs to form a new defence.

The rebuilding task is mammoth here.

Add a couple of strikers and you're talking another 100m.

October 23, 2017, 09:17:01 PM
Reply #10


Dyche isn't sexy enough for Moshiri. Nothing in that but just a hunch that he won't want a guy who looks like an assistant manager at Dixons fronting his exciting new stadium project.

November 19, 2017, 10:20:47 PM
Reply #11


work with some Burnley fans, at the time they said they weren't bothered about Keane leaving as long as they still had Ben Mee they wouldn't miss him and that's how it's turned out. When we beat them at ours last year he was very poor and he's not improved, but who has lately.

A lot of that will be bravado though. If he turned us down and signed a new contract with them he'd all of a sudden be the dogs bollocks again.

November 20, 2017, 12:51:09 AM
Reply #12


Remember when Jags first joined, he was awful too.

We played him defensive midfield and then right back, which for a player whose weakness is his distribution wasn't much of a surprise.
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November 22, 2017, 10:19:11 PM
Reply #13


Keane will come good, 100% certain of that

I tend to agree, although I wouldn't be 100% certain of it.

November 24, 2017, 04:23:26 AM
Reply #14


I still think he'll come good. Young defender playing in a thankless position when every more experienced players all around him play absolutely woefully. You could see tonight his confidence is absolutely shattered and I don't think we've got anyone to lift that at the moment.

Fair point but he's still a bit of a clogger, confidence or otherwise.