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August 18, 2017, 06:59:13 AM
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Gonna be very harsh to judge any of our players based on the 4 premier league games coming up.
That depends how we do in them.


August 18, 2017, 07:02:46 AM
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People are dreaming if they think he is better than Stones. Good player and can get better for sure.
Seems more like people are using their eyes rather than dreaming. Stones has potential but is several hundred feet up his own backside, and that has stunted his development. He hasn't notably improved since he left us, Keane is better so far for us than Stones was when he left.

August 18, 2017, 07:04:30 AM
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I agree that both deals are good business but let's judge Keane against better opposition for starters.
There was a fair bit of that on MOTD last season.


August 18, 2017, 06:22:16 PM
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His passing isn't as good as Stones' but that's not a massive criticism as since people are so frequent to point out Stones' defensive issues, the it surely points to how highly thought of his possession is?

Isn't it? For all the lauding Stones gets he still has a habit now of playing a really risky pass that then gets cut out and lets the opponent start a dangerous attack. Passing ability is only as useful as decision making allows it to be.

August 18, 2017, 07:34:20 PM
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While not disagreeing with you in general, we also need to take into account that any point against a top 6 team is a point they don't get, and thus lowers our target too.

You've got to apply the reverse as well, any point we prevent those below us getting reduces the likelihood of them catching us.

Ultimately it doesn't matter where we get points, only that we get more points than others. I'd happily take 5/6 drubbings (home or away) a season if we won the rest, whether that was losing to the relegation fodder or last years champions.

August 18, 2017, 07:50:16 PM
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Yeah but I'm not worried about that. :)

Have to say, when it comes to Everton at the moment I'm not worried about anything. We still haven't conceded a single competitive goal, and we've won every game. Michael (and Jordan) have been a big part of that, they inspire confidence.


August 18, 2017, 07:53:41 PM
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In terms of quick improvements though it should be easier to pick up more points than we did in the away games against the 13 below us than in any games vs the top 6.

Chelsea last season is a good example.

That's a nice theory. But this is the Premier League. And when Sean Dyche was plotting where to pick up away points this season, he probably didn't expect to do that in their first away game. Shouldn't we just look to win each game as it comes, rather than deciding which teams we should be getting the points from in advance?

August 18, 2017, 08:09:09 PM
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Yes but every team will look at the types of games they should be winning.

If you're not winning most of those it's very hard to get where you want to be.

It's no good Burnley winning at Chelsea if they don't beat Huddersfield and 3 other equivalents at home.

I remember a Utd player saying that Ferguson used to target home and away wins vs the teams in the bottom half as the bedrock of their season, then the other games would determine how well they ended up doing.

Obviously things don't go 100% the way that you plan but a basic expectation of 12 games vs bottom 6 and 12 vs top 6 would be fair to be (many) more points vs the former as we are better than them and should do well in those games.

All very true. However, Burnley will be feeling more hopeful about those key games having scored three 'unexpected' points. But one of our long term problems has been our mentality in away games against the big boys (knife in a gunfight mentality) and this is something that seems to have changed a little in the league. In their pomp, United were able to plan to win points like that. In Koeman I think we have a manager who is not afraid to plan to win 3 points at Stamford Bridge, the Emirates, in Manchester, and most of all at Anfield. That's the big game for me - if we are to seriously change the mentality, the high water mark is there. Winning there would also give the squad (and the fans) serious belief that we can be more than 'best of the rest'.

Of course that's not to suggest 3 points at Anfield is more important than 3 points anywhere else, but I don't expect Koeman to target trophy points.

October 23, 2017, 09:08:00 PM
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Dyche is favourite with the bookies, maybe that would do Michael a world of good.

On the other hand, you can get 40/1 on Roberto returning, which is clearly bunk. ;D