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September 01, 2017, 05:00:19 AM
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2011 everybody


September 01, 2017, 05:20:40 AM
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We were proper skint back then.

Times are vastly different.

So just to be clear.
You accept that 2011 was a shit transfer window and as times are now different this one can in noway be construed as a bad window then yeah?

Cause they're not comparable are the really?

September 01, 2017, 08:57:49 PM
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Makes me laugh people saying well a few years ago we signed Pistone or Kroldrup
Guess what that was before the TV money exploded so it's a pointless statement
How much does a premier league club get now from the broadcasters?
It's all releative. We were getting many, many millions of pounds back then as well.

I'm shocked that people are happy to accept the crap window we've just had
It wasn't a crap window by any stretch of the imagination. But it does have to go down as an opportunity missed (at best) or a failure (at worst). Failure =/= crap though

Lukaku was known to be leaving a long time ago, not getting a replacement is pathetic
Yes. Even if there is an argument that we didn't know for certain till the last minute - he still left at the start of the window so it is massively questionable as to why there was no replacement at all.

That knob doing that interview hasn't helped & as for getting a striker in January! Guess what.... the season may already be dead by then
Depends what you mean by dead. If you mean our chances of winning the league are over then they probably will be. But we'll still be hoping for cup results to free up league places into Europe.
Of a bigger concern for January is how much harder it is to buy good/important players. If we haven't been able to do that for 3 windows on the trot i'm not confident we will do it in the 4th.



September 06, 2017, 02:52:45 PM
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We can't spend like city did initially - regardless of Moshiri's finances.

Ours can only be a much longer term project. Hopefully we have a buffer against any potential financial bubble bursting in the meantime.

September 06, 2017, 03:19:27 PM
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How do you?
Why do you think we never bought a striker? The target man that Koeman wanted?

We wouldn't have bought one even if Barkley was sold.
We were unable to attract the level of player that Koeman wanted.

September 06, 2017, 05:51:16 PM
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Can't believe the City comparisons are still being trotted out.



I think it goes a long way to explain why some looked at the squad building done this window as being a failure/let down.
Striker aside it was a brilliant window. Granted, it left a sour taste in the mouth due to how it ended. But it was a solid window that improved us everywhere else.

I think some of the crazy, crazy shouts (Ozil/Aguero/etc) come from the same place as the "similar to early City" mentality.


September 06, 2017, 07:11:54 PM
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That last line was entirely my point, thanks for agreeing.

RE: the window. Anybody who is worried that we have stockpiled is either saying that they know more than Koeman (they dont) or that he hasn't got a clue (unlikely).

I, for one, don't think Pickford is the same as Klaassen. I dont think Sandro is the same as Sigurdson. I don't think Keane is the same as Vlasic.
Take Rooney out of the equation and the signings of Klaassen (more of a CM), Sigurdsson (AMF) & Sandro (Forward) don't look all that similar...
Put simply though, we are not in a position to turn down somebody of the experience and quality of Rooney. He is a short term option and the others are medium/long term options.

September 06, 2017, 07:38:50 PM
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You say budget as if you know what the final upper limit may have been? It's a pretty fundamental mistake whilst trying to judge worth.

Also, it's becoming clear that Koeman seems to prefer 2 of them 3 attacking positions behind the striker to have similar players in them (with the other to contain a player with pace/directness).

I can remember the rare occasions in 95/96 that Limpar & Kanchelskis we're on the pitch at the same time and always thinking we looked unbalanced and weak. Maybe Koeman is of the same line of thought - that we should only ever have 1 wide player on the pitch at a time?
That width only matters at the back?

So, similar to you making an assumption about what our budget was, you are now assuming that Koeman wanted something different to what he got. (Well, he wanted a striker and a defender still, he definitely didn't get that. But neither of them fundamentally change the argument about this 'congested middle').

Also, Moshiri's opinion counts for less than nothing when it comes to playing staff in my eyes. I'd be aghast to hear he had any say in any part of the recruitment process. He has staff to cover the targets and staff to cover the budgets. Unless he is spending his own money (he is not) then it has nothing to do directly with him.

September 06, 2017, 08:22:51 PM
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OK, well this isn't a fight, me and @Ross aren't falling out over this so join in.

So what part's do you disagree with?
Obviously the player comparisons are only technically true (I do admit to being a bit facetious with how disparate the players i chose were).
The main point, as you have noted, is in the brackets. I expected people to also be able to recognise the inferred point that we have also bought a keeper, centre half and winger.

Ross has also mentioned about how you cant take Rooney our of the equation, so let me expand on that:
I don't think any of the players we have bought play in the exact same position. But, people think differently so i'll argue there.
Rooney is 31. He has 1 or 2 years left
Sigurdsson is 27. He has 5 or 6 years left
Sandro is 22. He has 10 or 11 years left
Klaassen is 21. he has 11 or 12 years left.

Considering Koeman seems to prefer 2 of the 'attacking 3' behind the striker to be of a similar type - i dont think we are congested and it looks like he has made sure we have the potential to have a world class centre for the next decade. Making sure the 'risks' have the time & guidance to bed in properly.

September 06, 2017, 08:59:31 PM
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I thought Klaassen was 24? :)

he is. not sure where i got 21 from

September 06, 2017, 09:09:01 PM
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Probably all that projecting the squad longevity for the next 2-12 years. A job and a half that is. All these players in the same position.  :snigger:

No doubt he is so shit he'll be getting sold next summer anyway.

September 06, 2017, 09:21:37 PM
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I didn't actually believe that point about 10 years - because i don't think they're similar players. I was just looking to see if there was a positive from the mind-set of them all being the same.

The 90s point was made as a lot of people have always thought we should play with 2 wingers. even now when we play a 3 in that position most people seemed to be wanting width there. I was just making the comparison based on the last time we actually had 2 wingers. Bringing it to today, even when Mirallas, Lookman & Lennon available (rarely) he doesn't seem inclined to play 2 of them. That can only lead to the assumption he wants 1 wide player and 2 central playing behind the striker. In that case it's strange to argue that we have "too many number 10s".


However, and i mentioned this to begin with, we should all agree that not getting another striker in is a massive failure and a blow to any chance we had of getting into that 6th spot.