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September 15, 2017, 01:32:45 PM
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Schneiderlin looked like he was playing in the Gareth Barry role, i.e. 36 and semi-retired.

He's not very good really is he

September 15, 2017, 02:32:52 PM
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And at least 2 who have captained their country

Martina captains his country too. Although he didn't play in this one.

Was that the problem? No - Holgate and Vlasic were about the only ones trying hard as far as I could tell from watching 2nd half. Maybe Sandro too, but too little too late.
    

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September 15, 2017, 02:46:32 PM
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He's not very good really is he

He's a very good player in very bad form.
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September 15, 2017, 03:16:36 PM
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Stop passing the blame onto an individual player, none of them are playing well right now, they're all to blame, we're missing that one player who can take the bull by the horns and give the others a kick up the arse, none of them are capable of doing that, it looks like they're all waiting for someone else to do it for them

September 15, 2017, 03:34:08 PM
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Stop passing the blame onto an individual player, none of them are playing well right now, they're all to blame, we're missing that one player who can take the bull by the horns and give the others a kick up the arse, none of them are capable of doing that, it looks like they're all waiting for someone else to do it for them

Reckon Rooney the only one that could do that but Baines/Jags are captains, that should change.

September 15, 2017, 03:41:35 PM
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Stop passing the blame onto an individual player, none of them are playing well right now, they're all to blame, we're missing that one player who can take the bull by the horns and give the others a kick up the arse, none of them are capable of doing that, it looks like they're all waiting for someone else to do it for them

It looks very like a Leicester or Chelsea situation to me . They are all waiting fro Koeman to fuck off . Trump or Putins fault I guess ................. sorry wrong forum .

September 15, 2017, 03:42:23 PM
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He's a very good player in very bad form.

Fair enough if you rate him, I don't think he's good enough often enough

September 15, 2017, 03:51:18 PM
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Macca77


It looks very like a Leicester or Chelsea situation to me . They are all waiting fro Koeman to fuck off . Trump or Putins fault I guess ................. sorry wrong forum .

Said this last night, something is going on

September 15, 2017, 04:26:16 PM
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If, and it's a big IF, Koeman has lost the dressing room, we are right royally fucked. Unless someone in higher management realises this and reacts to it, we are in deep shit. It's going to a long long season.

September 15, 2017, 04:39:58 PM
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Reckon Rooney the only one that could do that but Baines/Jags are captains, that should change.

Rooney being there might well be part of the problem. He's the main man, star player, biggest voice in the dressing room, goes where he wants on the pitch regardless of team shape.
Maybe all other players defer to his superior knowledge and experience, inside the dressing room and on the pitch, and if he's not on it then no-one else steps forward. I don't see any leaders out there this season but on paper we have quite a few.

I'm not absolving Koeman of the blame for our performances as the system and selections are head scratching but it's another dynamic to consider, especially when things aren't going well.

September 15, 2017, 04:47:46 PM
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Rooney being there might well be part of the problem. He's the main man, star player, biggest voice in the dressing room, goes where he wants on the pitch regardless of team shape.
Maybe all other players defer to his superior knowledge and experience, inside the dressing room and on the pitch, and if he's not on it then no-one else steps forward. I don't see any leaders out there this season but on paper we have quite a few.

I'm not absolving Koeman of the blame for our performances as the system and selections are head scratching but it's another dynamic to consider, especially when things aren't going well.

I think our leaders being past their best is a good point although Phil Neville was a good leader who never had a best but a good pointy finger . The only positive thing I have seen this season is Pickford shouting at those in front of him . Rooney has always had passion but at the back Baines and Jags are too quiet and Williams is , well , shit . Koeman himself shows more passion at a press conference than he does on the pitch and for the life of me I just don't get what the fuck Ferguson contributes to EFC . To think it was once seen as being as simple as defending corners and we were Champions :)

September 15, 2017, 05:05:46 PM
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If Koeman has indeed lost the players then two different managers will have lost the players at Everton in around 18 months. It seems to be the case that as soon as the players don't like our manager, they stop playing and look to get the manager sacked.

September 15, 2017, 05:08:05 PM
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If Koeman has indeed lost the players then two different managers will have lost the players at Everton in around 18 months. It seems to be the case that as soon as the players don't like our manager, they stop playing and look to get the manager sacked.

Well done Milkey it seems you have entered the mind of the modern day footballer .

September 15, 2017, 05:15:24 PM
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If Koeman has indeed lost the players then two different managers will have lost the players at Everton in around 18 months. It seems to be the case that as soon as the players don't like our manager, they stop playing and look to get the manager sacked.

If the players were the same I'd tend to agree but we've bought virtually a new team in the past 12 months.

It's for this reason I'm interested to see how we do after the Man U game when the fixtures get easier on paper and he's had 10 games to get an idea of what/who works.

September 15, 2017, 05:22:17 PM
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Well done Milkey it seems you have entered the mind of the modern day footballer .

Maybe it looks like I'm stating the obvious but my point was, if this has happened, this has happened twice at the club in such a short space a time with a lot of the same players. Therefore maybe it's an attitude/ego problem with some of our players. None of them deserve to have an attitude problem. Specialists in losing when it matters like Jagielka and Baines should be replaced as soon as possible. They say all of the right things but you can just tell it doesn't truly hurt them when they get beat.