October 17, 2019, 06:11:41 PM

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What should we do? (RESET 29 SEPTEMBER, AFTER LIMASSOL GAME)

Fire him now before our season goes tits up
Give him till Christmas.. If performances and results aren't where they should be for what he's spent, he's out
Let's just see how things are at the end of the season
The season has barely begun, he's a great manager and we should get 100% behind him
Ohhh Davey Moyes, Davey Davey Davey Moyes...
Fuck off with your polls, you cunt

Author Topic: Should we sack Koeman?  (Read 135148 times)

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September 11, 2017, 07:11:22 AM
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I don't think it would work to sack him now even if the board wanted to

Don't you just think there's a large slice of responsibility laid at the feet of the board / director of football etc for not replacing lukaku - would be massive scapegoating by the board if he was sacked at this point

needs another window IMO - if results haven't turned by then and we don't strengthen I think some serious questions need to be asked with respect to where we are going and frankly based on how toothless we look at the moment I wonder if we might not find ourselves at this point by then
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September 12, 2017, 12:18:10 AM
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Another window means giving him more money to spend, he's already had more since he's been here than Moyes did during his whole reign at the club, saying that he needs to buy a striker or two I know, but his signings are pretty poor & the thing which worries me most is that he doesn't seem to have a clue how he wants to play which you'd hope he would have figured out by now considering most of the team are now players he's signed
for me its too early to tell whether Koeman is good enough

you say about the money to spend but the finances of the club and entire league has improved dramatically. because of this the general cost of players has also increased. so to say he's been given more is true but in 1980 gas was cheaper too, loaf of bread, etc. It was possible to get a proven midfielder for £10m at the time, now the going rate is considerably higher for proven talent - so for me that argument doesn't really work

as for the striker thing its really hard on the outside to know whose fault that is but publicly he was asking for 1-2 at various points in the window so it seems like he wanted one

as for the quality of his signings I'm not seeing the issue - its a mixed bag like any manager but no doubt several have been very very good. Sandro for example might be easy to criticise but also look at the context - is £5m or whatever he cost a bad punt when the going rate for any type of competent PL striker is over £30 - we got what we paid for with him - a squad player who might or might not adapt to the league. Are you critical of the manager's signings or just the general price of players right now which is admittedly ridiculous



Nil Satis

September 12, 2017, 12:42:09 AM
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The general prices are daft but I don't rate his signings, I know he's bought a few good players and it's too early to tell on the players he bought in this window but you'd expect him to get one or two right at least. I wouldn't be confident throwing more money at him nor do I think he's the man to move us to the next level
when you say throw more money at him do you mean Koeman, who says he wants a striker or Walsh who is the one who identifies the targets and/or the board who buys the targets. change koeman and its still the same Walsh and board identifying targets and buying players

something didn't work right this window but its hard to see what part was the issue, the manager, the director of football or the board which for me is the reason its too early.
Nil Satis


September 15, 2017, 08:17:37 AM
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Part of me remembers how poor city were for a bit after Mansour started the business of putting that club on the map of world football

The other part of me remembers that they had to go through a few managers on the way to doing it
Nil Satis

October 17, 2017, 02:06:43 AM
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Gana is not a "pure defensive midfielder"really. He has no discipline and brain to play as a single DM. He is the best at playing a bit higher and harassing opponents.
Schneiderlin could do this job, but he's a bit shit at the moment. And our defense is poor even with 2 defensive midfielders so it's scary to think how would it look with one.

Last season our three man midfield was quite effective and balanced (though not very creative) with Morgan playing deeper,  Davies higher and Gana in between. I'm not sure what happened. Schneiderlin's form doesn't help but there is something else.
no ross barkley and lukaku?
Nil Satis

October 17, 2017, 03:26:47 AM
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Lukaku without saying, Barkley not so sure. But yes, compared to our recent attacking players he was decent.
yeah I understand that line of thinking and maybe believed it as well going into the season with the rooney and sig hype but looking at where we're at now, as frustrated as I was at times with barkley running into brick walls and losing possession maybe he fulfilled a vital role in pegging back the opposition and putting them on their back heels in a way none of our players currently do. personally one more reason to be dissatisfied with koeman as this should be readily apparent to a high level manager
Nil Satis


October 22, 2017, 07:04:18 AM
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Well if thatís true and heís lost the dressing room then we are in for a pitiful effort from the team tomorrow
Nil Satis

October 22, 2017, 10:15:20 PM
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might be for the best as painful as that was

can't see how there is any other option but to sack him now

caretaker unsworth and a very important search for a replacement to stablise the team
Nil Satis