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October 16, 2017, 05:19:46 AM
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Like a lot of our players, he seems reluctant to play the ball forwards.

Don't know if it's the players or the system.

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October 16, 2017, 05:30:53 AM
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Like a lot of our players, he seems reluctant to play the ball forwards.

Don't know if it's the players or the system.

I was watching him today, and the number of times he got the ball and there was nobody closer than 30 yards was atrocious. The only one who would regularly come for the ball was DCL, but he was usually hugging the touchline and marked.

He was never one to bomb past players one v one from a standing start, and with age even less so. But what he could still do we stifle with our idiotic system.
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October 16, 2017, 05:31:15 AM
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Like a lot of our players, he seems reluctant to play the ball forwards.

Don't know if it's the players or the system.

Zero options. We have CM's who don't particularly want the ball.
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October 16, 2017, 05:32:48 AM
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How many times are we going to use that excuse though?

It's been going round for three years now.

He's still getting into some good positions and being very wasteful with the ball.

October 16, 2017, 05:35:15 AM
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Mate of mine sits in the Paddock, just before the halfway, Gwladdy end, says he’s watched Baines a few times getting offered a pass but will hold his hand out as if to say nah, don’t want it, or when he does get it he’s always laying it back inside. Whether it’s options going forward or he feels he just can’t do it any more...

October 16, 2017, 05:37:30 AM
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Yeah if there was a possibility of just replacing him with Tierney or Cresswell or Bertrand I probably would. Shame but fact is he has struggled for years.

We were ahead of the curve with our energetic full backs who could ball and whip crosses and score, but now every team has flying full backs and most of them are built like racehorses, while ours are past their sell-by or badly injured.
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October 16, 2017, 05:39:37 AM
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How many times are we going to use that excuse though?

It's been going round for three years now.

He's still getting into some good positions and being very wasteful with the ball.

It's not an excuse, I'm saying it's a combination of the two. Yes, he is declining (as you'd expect him at this age, and with his injuries), but we aren't using him anywhere near his full potential either.
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October 16, 2017, 05:43:36 AM
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He’s got no movement in front of him therefore he’s got very little option but to play it safe either back to where it came or back further to another defender.

The whole teams static, nobody wants to move forward or thinks of advancing us to threaten the opposition.

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October 16, 2017, 05:51:58 AM
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Yeah if there was a possibility of just replacing him with Tierney or Cresswell or Bertrand I probably would. Shame but fact is he has struggled for years.

We were ahead of the curve with our energetic full backs who could ball and whip crosses and score, but now every team has flying full backs and most of them are built like racehorses, while ours are past their sell-by or badly injured.

I think that's the crux of it. The game has changed since Baines was in his pomp. We were ahead of the curve as you said, and now we're woefully behind it. You've basically got to be camped out in the opposition half as a full back now, but have the legs to fly back if and when needed. Bainesy just can't do that, whatever the rest of the team is doing.
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October 16, 2017, 05:52:41 AM
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He’s got no movement in front of him therefore he’s got very little option but to play it safe either back to where it came or back further to another defender.

The whole teams static, nobody wants to move forward or thinks of advancing us to threaten the opposition.



I'm a bit of a CM obsessive so I tend to think problems like these should be able to be resolved by your CM's.

Not really sure what either of our CM's are doing at the min. Then when Rooney plays he just walks all over their territory and does what ever he feels like of course.

A passing DM or a powerhouse 8 would go a long way I think.
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October 16, 2017, 06:04:38 AM
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I'm a bit of a CM obsessive so I tend to think problems like these should be able to be resolved by your CM's.

Not really sure what either of our CM's are doing at the min. Then when Rooney plays he just walks all over their territory and does what ever he feels like of course.

A passing DM or a powerhouse 8 would go a long way I think.

I said it towards the end of last season so its nothing new but Gueye isn’t good enough on the ball for us. Apparently hes a “defensive midfielder”. I got told that by the illuminati and that I didn’t “understand”. Yet time and again he’s found in and around the oppositions box wasting passes or blasting balls into row z.

We looked a much better team with Davies in the middle since the turn of the year and yet time and again he’s bafflingly on the bench while lesser players start.

Mustn’t be showing it in trading or something I’m lead to believe..
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October 16, 2017, 06:10:56 AM
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I said it towards the end of last season so its nothing new but Gueye isn’t good enough on the ball for us. Apparently hes a “defensive midfielder”. I got told that by the illuminati and that I didn’t “understand”. Yet time and again he’s found in and around the oppositions box wasting passes or blasting balls into row z.

We looked a much better team with Davies in the middle since the turn of the year and yet time and again he’s bafflingly on the bench while lesser players start.

Mustn’t be showing it in trading or something I’m lead to believe..

Not good enough for us? Christ he's 1 of our better players. If gueye isn't good enough we need 9 or 10

October 16, 2017, 06:14:20 AM
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I lost faith in him when Martinez went to shit. The transformation in the team in that second season was totally baffling to me at the time, and I expected it experienced players to carry us through. But Baines isn't that kind of player. Which is a shame because we need him to be now. There are occasions where he will race around and post quick passes. He does it at the end of a game when we are chasing a point!  So he is capable. I wonder whether it is an injury he can't shake off because his cardio seems fine.

October 16, 2017, 06:17:32 AM
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Not good enough for us? Christ he's 1 of our better players. If gueye isn't good enough we need 9 or 10

We don’t need any more 10’s.
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October 16, 2017, 06:21:54 AM
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Baines hasn't been good enough for a few seasons, not as an attacking full back anyway.

I can't remember the last time he ran in to space and put a decent cross in.

Love the bloke, but he needs competition.
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