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October 29, 2017, 04:10:13 PM
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We donít have a forward to lump it to so his standard formula wouldnít work anyway.

November 03, 2017, 03:07:32 AM
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Was it even a necessary appointment in the first place at the time we made it? A new manager and a new DoF at the same time wasn't the greatest move, especially when the more senior appointment is a step up and the manager is a Hollywood name with a strong personality.

I suppose hindsight is a wonderful thing but when you run large businesses you need to be employing the best brains at the top of the tree to spot any potential issues before they arise. Knowing the historic issues that have arisen in English football with this structure it needs to be a very careful appointment.

Koeman has always worked with a DoF so donít see a way around that.

Plus his role will be beyond player recruitment.

November 03, 2017, 03:24:28 AM
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My point was about Walsh. Was/is this role too big for him? Was it the right appointment at the wrong time? Something has gone horribly wrong somewhere and the blame can't be lay solely at any one individual.

Yes but you can always get two individuals who donít get on.

Maybe thereís an issue that BK is still doing the final negotiations.

If Sigurdsson has been done in a week (weíve probably lost £5m on league positions) surely weíd have had time to get after a back plan for Giroud etc.

Think it would be massively rash to get shut of both and be faced with a double change again.

I would have been much more confident if Monchi hadnít been emotionally blackmailed into to staying at Sevilla for another year though!

November 04, 2017, 12:36:40 PM
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Because I'm bored, here's my "What If Walsh/Koeman Were Right" starting eleven.

GK: Pickford
RB: Holgate*
CB: Keane
CB: Williams
LB: Baines**
DM: Schneiderlin
CM: Klaassen
CM: Sigurdsson
RAM: Vlasic
CF: Rooney
LAM: Sandro

* Glad the lad is alright after yesterday's scare but Koeman was 100% wrong on Martina. Not including him.
** Amazing that a Moyes player still makes this eleven.

Would be a hell of an experiment to see if you could get that Sigurdsson-Klaassen-Rooney triangle to space itself properly because there are, in theory, lots of interesting movements you could orchestrate with all of the positional flexibility there (stuff like Rooney dropping off or pulling out wide, with Klaassen and/or Sigurdsson running beyond him into the box).

Of course, in reality, we've seen the three of them on the pitch together and they look like they've never met, despite presumably training together.

Yes but how often and how were they drilled (given that itís taken that Koeman probably expected a certain level of understanding without the need for specific exercises)?

Plus by also having the other 2 in the front 5 as new players there are even more potential mis-reads / misunderstandings etc.

This is where the constant formation changes (not helped by the fixtures admittedly) were such a hinderance.

4/5 of these should be playing their 11th league game tomorrow whereas have we had Rooney, Sigurdsson, Klaassen more than twice? Let alone all 5.

November 04, 2017, 06:47:40 PM
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The lack of understanding was definitely a problem but I think the biggest hindrance to getting the new players to function together was Koeman's insistence on long balls out of defense. Most of the new signings do their best work with the ball at their feet and options around them. Asking them to chase after scraps was a pretty serious miscalculation.

We basically built this team around a type of player we never bought. Which is embarrassing for all sorts of reasons. Say we got Giroud and he was, in fact, the perfect player to tie everything together. What if he gets injured? This squad needed a B-level target man too and it's a bit ridiculous that we didn't go for one. Mounie and Haller were not particularly expensive.

Oh yeah I agree with all that.

I just mean that after that player didnít materialise then we should have been working really hard on making easier passing options for the back 3/4.

While his pragmatism could be a positive, itís clear that he was happy for players to get shut if they werenít confident and / or under pressure.

Think that comes back to his natural assumption that because he could do it, then so should other top flight players etc.

Anyway back on thread...

Iíve watched Haller a couple of times recently (scored last night) and not sure heís someone who looks like that should be made for the PL but still a bit gangly.

But yes, given that we needed a back up anyway, relatively cheap ďgamblesĒ.

November 25, 2017, 04:43:13 PM
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DOF doesnt really work. We've seen both Liverpool and Spurs move away from this in recent years.

There are barely any PL clubs that donít have an equivalent.

November 25, 2017, 06:21:22 PM
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On a slightly positive note, he's probably more than paid for himself by recommending Gana and Onyekuru.


Itís too early to write off everyone else as well.

But it could be that heís not cut out for the negotiations maybe or whatever.

There were stories that BK / Elstone still have final input to negotiations; stories that Koeman was identifying half the players him the other etc.

Then add in poor on field performance and itís very hard to reach a definitive opinion.

What was a mistake was jumping from Monchi to someone (not just Walsh personally) who had never done the role.

We should have ensured that, given it was the first time that we were having that role, we appointed someone with experience of it.

January 14, 2018, 02:01:46 AM
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Leaving Walsh's contributions, whatever they are, out of it... it was always a bit weird that we appointed someone for this role after picking a manager. What a missed opportunity this was.

Having a director of football is good. Or it should be.

But having an unclear power structure is bad. Like spending hundreds of millions of pounds on players that aren't good enough for any of the teams you're chasing bad.

I still think the way forward is to hit the reset button, clear everyone out, and do it the right way.

Thing is clubs sack sporting directors all the time.

Chances of getting it spot on first go weíre slim.

No reason why sporting director should be easier to get right compared to a manager, Iíd guess.

January 15, 2018, 06:38:53 PM
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I try to stay away from slagging backroom/board level staff off cos very few people actually know what's going on there but that quote from him is a fucking piss take.

Trotting out the sort of shite you see idiots on Twitter come out with.

Didn't he also say something along the lines of ''At least I didn't sign Vincent Janssen''

Moshiri needs a big re-think in the summer of what he actually wants us to do on the pitch.  A big fuck off clear out at that level is needed I think.

Without hearing the full speech Iím trying to give him the benefit of the doubt in that a) he surely meant that we needed a forward for more than just goals and b) that itís not always easy to sign ďanybodyĒ.

Otherwise itís massively worrying!

January 21, 2018, 07:49:58 PM
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Anything in the David Dein taking over from Elstone rumours?

How long has Devin been out of the game?

Although heís BKs mate, I think he left Arsenal before Moshiri had his stake.

January 21, 2018, 07:51:09 PM
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I'd be happy with Walsh going but deeply nervous about this board searching for a replacement.

We wanted Monchi first remember.

*crosses fingers that we go back for similar profile*