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October 16, 2017, 01:28:44 AM
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Waltzer


I've given it a chance, he isn't learning. He's a buffoon and has had his chance at a so called ambitious club and failed massively. Time to move on and get a proper manager.
An ambitious club? Ambition isn't selling your best asset and replacing him with a 6.5 million unproven Spanish kid and hoping it'll be okay. If anything Koeman should be fuming about being spun a line or two by the incompetent people above him. Ambition isn't talking the talk to Jim white and skysports it's actually putting the players on the pitch
I've said it all along that Koeman has to to take some of the blame, but you can only play the hand your dealt

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October 16, 2017, 01:45:21 AM
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An ambitious club? Ambition isn't selling your best asset and replacing him with a 6.5 million unproven Spanish kid and hoping it'll be okay. If anything Koeman should be fuming about being spun a line or two by the incompetent people above him. Ambition isn't talking the talk to Jim white and skysports it's actually putting the players on the pitch
I've said it all along that Koeman has to to take some of the blame, but you can only play the hand your dealt

“Play the hand dealt him”?

You do know he’s spent nearly £240m in the last 18 months don’t you?

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October 16, 2017, 01:46:06 AM
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People who call him a buffoon are themselves buffoons. He is not a buffoon. There is far more to it than slagging him off as though he is solely to blame. Others at the club must share the blame in signings and missed signings. To an extent he is playing the cards he has been dealt and the fixture list/congestion has not helped.  He may or may not turn this around. I doubt that he will, but name calling is ignorant.


October 16, 2017, 02:48:37 AM
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You are all going to be getting vaulted when he turns this around.
Good
I hope we all get to eat humble pie, cant see it, I wasn't fully sold at the start but I didn't want to nail my colours to the mast because I'd just don't that with the utter cockwomble that was Martinez.
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October 16, 2017, 03:07:06 AM
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You are all going to be getting vaulted when he turns this around.

                if only  :thumbsup:

October 16, 2017, 03:13:39 AM
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People who call him a buffoon are themselves buffoons. He is not a buffoon. There is far more to it than slagging him off as though he is solely to blame. Others at the club must share the blame in signings and missed signings. To an extent he is playing the cards he has been dealt and the fixture list/congestion has not helped.  He may or may not turn this around. I doubt that he will, but name calling is ignorant.

Utter shite, any manager worth his salt would adapt to being dealt a bad hand in transfers and get results, Koeman hasn't and doesn't seem capable to hence seeing a point scraped late on at a newly promoted side as a positive when the so called bigger teams would see it differently. The team selections and omissions are becoming ridiculous now, we'very not had a settled back line because he can't decide whether to play 2 or 3 at the back, keeps alternating right backs instead of sticking to one, which should be Kenny imo, and is insistent on shoehorning players in positions they shouldn't be when he has the right options but refuses to use them. Not to mention he continues to utilise a defensive midfield set up that was established by David Moyes over a decade ago and Martinez continued to utilise when it began to fail and still is now
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October 16, 2017, 05:53:37 AM
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People who call him a buffoon are themselves buffoons. He is not a buffoon. There is far more to it than slagging him off as though he is solely to blame. Others at the club must share the blame in signings and missed signings. To an extent he is playing the cards he has been dealt and the fixture list/congestion has not helped.  He may or may not turn this around. I doubt that he will, but name calling is ignorant.


do you see the irony of what you just did there

October 16, 2017, 02:01:32 PM
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Waltzer


“Play the hand dealt him”?

You do know he’s spent nearly £240m in the last 18 months don’t you?



But its all relative isnt it as hes also had to contend with selling his best player, plus as he has reiterated on numerous occasions Walsh is in charge of transfers. I know it frustrates people talking about net spend but it isnt anything more than what we did under Kenwright and certainly isnt substantial in premier league terms.
Its also no big shock that goals win games, you only need to look at the transformation in Man U this year with Lukaku. With the exception of Saturday they've been hitting teams hard cause they have a goal threat, being honest were probably where we deserve to be based on the goal threats in our team I just dont think some people want to accept that and would rather blame Koeman for having such a s**t strike force.

October 16, 2017, 02:10:02 PM
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It's absolutely criminal that we're having to play DCL or Rooney, honestly unforgivable that such an important season starts with hole at the top of the side like that.
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October 16, 2017, 05:25:39 PM
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Waltzer


It's absolutely criminal that we're having to play DCL or Rooney, honestly unforgivable that such an important season starts with hole at the top of the side like that.

This is why i think all the criticism of Koeman is a bit over the top, he has to take some responsibility but it was almost suicide what the board did to him. Sacking Koeman wont change results as the players arent there to score goals, im afraid to say it, but my view is were going to have to buckle our seat belts cause weve got a bumpy few months until January comes, although even then I dont see any decent striker wanting to come?

October 16, 2017, 05:33:50 PM
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This is why i think all the criticism of Koeman is a bit over the top, he has to take some responsibility but it was almost suicide what the board did to him. Sacking Koeman wont change results as the players arent there to score goals, im afraid to say it, but my view is were going to have to buckle our seat belts cause weve got a bumpy few months until January comes, although even then I dont see any decent striker wanting to come?

Yeh but come on, have we really got the fifth worst squad in the league? Are we really not able to fashion a functioning side out of £240m worth of signings over 18 months? We've got probably the most promising bunch of youngsters in the country to go along with hundreds of millions of pounds worth of internationals and we still can't beat a bunch of Cypriot journeymen, Burnley or Brighton?

I get what you're saying about the striker situation, it was negligent in the extreme, but let's not use that as an excuse for all the failings we've seen since August.

October 16, 2017, 05:48:00 PM
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Waltzer


Yeh but come on, have we really got the fifth worst squad in the league? Are we really not able to fashion a functioning side out of £240m worth of signings over 18 months? We've got probably the most promising bunch of youngsters in the country to go along with hundreds of millions of pounds worth of internationals and we still can't beat a bunch of Cypriot journeymen, Burnley or Brighton?

I get what you're saying about the striker situation, it was negligent in the extreme, but let's not use that as an excuse for all the failings we've seen since August.

I agree that he has to take some of the blame, but you could argue that its strikers that win you games and were probably not far off having the 5th worst strike force in the league?
There is an element of irony in this forum too, if you look at the topics lately we've discussed strikers, Williams and Baines as not being enough (or arguments the other way), but these were the exact areas Koeman stated when he said:

Asked if he was confident of getting in his outstanding targets, he replied: “I'm always confident because we did some good business.

“Everyone knows, the board knows the importance of those two signings.”

We can go round in circles all day about whose to blame but my personal view is this is failure is much bigger than Koeman and hes being made a scapegoat for the boards failure. Without having a crystal ball I would hazard a guess if we had any of these strikers (that we could have got) Hernandez, Abraham, Rodriguez, Defoe, Llorente, Jese, Ihanacho we'd be in a much healthier position than we are

October 16, 2017, 05:55:40 PM
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I agree that he has to take some of the blame, but you could argue that its strikers that win you games and were probably not far off having the 5th worst strike force in the league?
There is an element of irony in this forum too, if you look at the topics lately we've discussed strikers, Williams and Baines as not being enough (or arguments the other way), but these were the exact areas Koeman stated when he said:

Asked if he was confident of getting in his outstanding targets, he replied: “I'm always confident because we did some good business.

“Everyone knows, the board knows the importance of those two signings.”

We can go round in circles all day about whose to blame but my personal view is this is failure is much bigger than Koeman and hes being made a scapegoat for the boards failure. Without having a crystal ball I would hazard a guess if we had any of these strikers (that we could have got) Hernandez, Abraham, Rodriguez, Defoe, Llorente, Jese, Ihanacho we'd be in a much healthier position than we are

I don't disagree but you work with what you've got. Something clearly isn't right though in the setup at the minute. Players half arsed, no urgency, a formation that's anyone's best guess, everyone to a man playing below their usual standard. These are things that can only be solved on the training pitch and in the dressing room, which is Koeman's domain. Maybe his staff aren't working either, maybe it's a disconnect between management and the players. We don't know, but we do know something has to change.

October 16, 2017, 06:05:25 PM
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I don't disagree but you work with what you've got. Something clearly isn't right though in the setup at the minute. Players half arsed, no urgency, a formation that's anyone's best guess, everyone to a man playing below their usual standard. These are things that can only be solved on the training pitch and in the dressing room, which is Koeman's domain. Maybe his staff aren't working either, maybe it's a disconnect between management and the players. We don't know, but we do know something has to change.

I expect the levels of frustration at Finch Farm is through the roof with players and managers. I bet a lot of the signings would have come here with the promise that were on the up and they will feel royally shat on, literally from above, its not going to make for a constructive positive environment, but you're right it is Koemans domain. However, when your training all week knowing the fact that you're toothless upfront plus any mistake at the back will mean you wont win a game as theres no chance we'll score 2 goals I bet its pretty demoralising all round

October 16, 2017, 06:10:40 PM
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I expect the levels of frustration at Finch Farm is through the roof with players and managers. I bet a lot of the signings would have come here with the promise that were on the up and they will feel royally shat on, literally from above, its not going to make for a constructive positive environment, but you're right it is Koemans domain. However, when your training all week knowing the fact that you're toothless upfront plus any mistake at the back will mean you wont win a game as theres no chance we'll score 2 goals I bet its pretty demoralising all round

It probably is, which is why we need a change. What you're saying is it's a shite situation but Koeman isn't solely to blame so on that basis we should soldier on our downward descent and change nothing.

It really doesn't matter who is or who isn't to blame, the current situation isn't working. So as binning Walsh won't change anything on the pitch and hauling a few of the scouts over the coals won't materially change our results either then the buck stops with Koeman. The highly paid man tasked with results in a results based business.