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October 19, 2017, 04:28:29 PM
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Don't get me wrong here I've said it before and i'll repeat it again now..I never wanted koeman here in the first place.....ok that's the waiver out of the way...

had a great long conversation with a "colleague" yesterday re our predicament and he came up with some good points of "interest" to think about....this is a man who basically...been there and done that and analyses everything he does down to the colour of his socks....

he broke our season down into...3 bad defeats...spurs, atalanta and Manu...H 0-3, A 3-0, A 4-0.....he mentioned Chelsea away but suggested we wouldn't normally expect to get anything there anyway...

2 home "close" defeats....... where being honest it's not the type of football evertonians expect to see but we were the "better" side in both games.... bmouth and burnley...and probably should have won....

a draw away against the best side in the league...city who have been hammering teams...and I argued we were very lucky not to be hammered ourselves......which he agreed with..but counter argued....and this is where it really  hits home for me...

he said football is a business and a winning business at that... and what people are interested in is results not style of play...it's therefore very fine margins that make the difference......

apart from those games above we've only  lost by a 1 goal margin or drew the game....
we should've beaten bmth, burnley and brighton and apallon.....Obviously we didn't...BUT if we had beaten them he hypothesised....

although the style of play is poor according to fans......would we still be shouting for his head ? He would still be the same manager with his own style of doing things......doing things his way...

He reckons Koeman will turn it around....IF given time....

All a bit irrelevant I know as he clearly stated results are results.....but made me think....and cant make my mind up if he's right or wrong ?

Would people take "bad" wins over a better style of play and current results ?

Don't shoot the messenger......


October 19, 2017, 05:40:04 PM
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TBH..i'm not even trying to put an argument up....

it was a very long interesting conversation I tried to condense into a post......which threw up in my mind a simple question...

October 19, 2017, 08:08:02 PM
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I think we was probably the right appointment at the time as we needed stability and his record seemed to suggest he would offer that. He was also the biggest name in management in our history so it was seen to be a coup on face value.

I just think an awful summer and a lot of poor decisions on and off the pitch have hamstrung him and it's snowballed from there. He doesn't seem to have the ideas or the tactical flexibility to solve it, which is strange from one so experienced
. Coupled with his seeming indifference to the plight and his sullen personality and it doesn't really look like the right mix to get us out of it.

Sometimes you just have to admit things aren't working and anything less than a win tonight and it should be time for a change.

I agree with all of the statement in bold.....
i'd question the statement in italics and underlined.... I don't believe he is indifferent to our plight...being a professional this will be hurting him deeply i'd say....he is what he is personality wise...and TBH I tend to think his "dutchness" is somewhat misinterpreted on TV, both body language and his spoken word....


October 19, 2017, 09:09:19 PM
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You may be right, its just a personal opinion based on his views on the job at the start and where it sits in his career and his less than enthusiastic persona in general.

It might just be an English thing but we like to see managers hurting and looking as if they are giving a shit. If Im honest, whilst clearly hed like to be doing well, I dont think hes that bothered what he leaves behind when he goes. His management career suggests hes quite detached in that regard.

I know what you're saying but my wife is dutch moluccan and when I first met her she was so laid back in her attitude it drove me nuts..still does..it comes across as very indifferent..