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October 19, 2017, 06:06:55 PM
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Koeman didn't want him, Barcelona did, so they exercise their right to buy him back for around 9m

good luck to the boy, we haven't got a striker to get on the end of his crosses now anyway


October 19, 2017, 08:50:10 PM
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We had a striker for the past 4 seasons who rarely got on the end of his crosses, so it's a mute point. He was great for a while in his first season and really didn't do much else after.

No ill feelings towards him, he's just another player playing for another team now.

Except the first half of the 2012-13 season when he and Lukaku were the most prolific front pairing in Europe, you mean?

October 19, 2017, 10:41:29 PM
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Surely Messi and whoever or Ronaldo and whoever were more prolific. They are scoring 50 goals each a season.

Nope

Lukaku and Kone were also in the top three most prolific front pairings that Christmas

Stopped after Christmas obviously but for half a season we had two of the three best strike partnerships in Europe.


October 19, 2017, 11:15:41 PM
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For a couple of months.

Remember when Jelavic had a storming few months? A little spell of form means very little.

I take it to mean that there's a player in there who will come out when the conditions are right

Lukaku seems better at adapting to more conditions than Kone, for example, but that doesn't mean that Kone - on his day - wasn't a player

it also doesn't mean Deulofeu will be the next Lionel Messi, but it does mean that he won't be the next Brett Angell

football fans love to write players off as "shite" - like they did with Niasse when Koeman was in favour and people believed what he said.  Neither Deulofeu or Niasse are "shite" and both were worth a chance in the Everton first team this season.

Deulofeu won't give a flying fuck about that now, because he's playing for the biggest club in world football and proving to them that they were wrong to let him go.

Niasse is proving Koeman wrong each week too.

Which is nice.

October 19, 2017, 11:47:39 PM
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I'd love to see the numbers you are talking about. I'm simply not having they outscored the pairings at Bayern Barca and real over any real length of time. Half a season sounds an outlandish claim. Airing on the side of caution Messi and Ronaldo must each have scored at least 20 goals in that time

we posted them on our Twitter page at the time, if I wasn't going out to the match I'd find them, but they're there for anyone to look at


also, the words were "strike partnership" - and unless we're making up teams on FIFA then Messi and Ronaldo don't play together

So he should be carried all the rest of the time when he doesn't fancy it then?

or coached more effectively to get the best out of him, what with him still being a relative child in the game

maybe that's what's happening at Barcelona?  maybe they're just better than Martinez or Koeman were at nurturing young players.

October 19, 2017, 11:52:31 PM
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found the numbers

Neymar and Suarez were top

Giroud and Ozil second

https://twitter.com/nsno/status/689782035196551168


October 20, 2017, 12:04:36 AM
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I don't think combined they would have beat Ronaldo or Messi. So unless their partner had a lot of own goals....

well, the numbers are there

it is the partnerships who combined most effectively

obviously others scored more goals, but they were provided by a pool of different players.  These numbers - published by FIFA or something equally unreliable and biassed - were about the strike partnership's combination.

October 20, 2017, 12:05:33 AM
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Oh it's clever manipulation of the stats where Ronaldo could scored 20 goals with 12 different assisters and it might only count as 2 for the best partnership

yeah, bloody FIFA, manipulating the stats to make Deulofeu look good in an argument on an Everton site in two year's time

bastards, them lad

October 20, 2017, 12:17:11 AM
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I do remember when the two of them were combining extremely well and were ripping it up for a couple of months. Things looked very good at that point. That was Martinez's first season.

the date is on the tweet, it was Koeman's first season (even I thought it was earlier than that, but time does strange things)

October 20, 2017, 03:38:01 PM
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It couldn't have been from Koeman's first season.

Kone didn't come close to scoring 4 goals for us last year and Higuain was at Juventus, not Napoli.

ah yeah, it was Martinez's last season - got my 16's and 15's mixed up

which is not a defence that can be relied on in court, just ask Adam Johnson.