October 23, 2018, 02:30:06 PM

Poll

Who would you like in charge?

Marco Silva
Rafa Benitez
Brendan Rodgers
Eddie Howe
Mikel Arteta
Arsene Wenger
AN Other

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May 19, 2018, 02:27:42 AM
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Yet all the 'safe bets' we can attract are going to get us safely to mid-table. A little gamble with the safety net of Brands in the background is our best hope of getting into the top six at the moment.

There's a difference between a "little gamble" and taking on a complete novice.


May 19, 2018, 02:50:28 AM
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That rather depends on the alternatives. We could employ plenty of managers that could get us regularly in the top ten but we can't buy our way any higher so have to try and weed out those with potential. If Arteta is highly thought of by those he has worked with and has a growing reputation he will be a gamble worth taking.
We've got it all to gain and little to lose.

We've got plenty to lose, we can't afford another managerial fuck up and end up changing our manager a dozen games in to the season, the chances of which increase massively when you take on a manager with zero experience in the day to day management of a team.

May 19, 2018, 03:03:34 PM
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The reason why we are not going for Arteta is that we're hell bent on hiring Silva

Plus, we have already conceded that we cannot compete with Arsenal

That's how big we are

Your making out like Arteta is some sort of glaringly obvious choice and we've missed a trick when in reality he's the biggest risk of any of the names that have been mentioned. Honestly, if he hadn't played for us people wouldn't be giving it a second though, I don't see why you're so clearly upset by us not going for him.


May 19, 2018, 03:04:43 PM
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We haven't even tried!

That's how cheap we've become

Surely someone on here must get it?

Going for Arteta IS the cheap option.

May 19, 2018, 03:10:49 PM
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Arsenal have gone cheap?

Recommended by Wenger and Guardiola

Not cheap - good business

Of course he's the cheap choice. They could have paid millions a year and attracted a top manager to the job but they're interested in a young former player with no experience whatsoever who they'll get on a comparatively low salary. Although it's not even cut and dried that he's going there anyway.


May 19, 2018, 03:25:14 PM
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And Silva's not a gamble?

Silva lining or Silva bullet?

Place your bets

Arteta is not cheap, it's good business, as long as Arsenal have a good contracts manager

Do we have one? What did Martinez, Koeman and Allardyce cost us? How much?

Caution: Ferguson recommended Moyes on a personal level, ie, he never worked with him - big difference

What does Arteta bring then, what's his management style and his style of play? What is it that makes him so obvious a choice that the majority of us seem to be missing?


May 19, 2018, 03:41:43 PM
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Any CV is better than no CV?

Silva's: Two Premier League clubs, one relegated and one heading for relegation over a a nine month period

That's mental!

Arsenal hiring Arteta - that's mental?

So, what would Arteta bring to us then?

May 19, 2018, 04:17:44 PM
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Ironic, that!

If Arteta was to manage Newcastle for the next two seasons and he gained successive 7th spot positions, would you then consider him?

Yes. By then he'd have two years experience.

To conclude: You are all in agreement that Silva will have a more successful managerial career than Arteta

No one's said that.

You're basing your opinion on the fact he played for us and that Wenger and Guardiola have said nice things about him.

May 19, 2018, 04:20:34 PM
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Been ages since we had a decent NSNO meltdown and this one's not disappointed so far, even if it's written in fucking riddles half the time. :)

May 19, 2018, 07:16:00 PM
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A bunch of mates running a forum

Not worth the pot to piss in

Beach Boys "Woodn't it be nice" Get it? No? And they say footballers are thick!

It would be nicer to be banned, can the CEO of this place issue me a ban, please - please..................pleas e

We usually oblige when someone asks or flounces but it's too much fun seeing you make a complete tit of yourself.

May 22, 2018, 03:51:25 AM
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What’s with the Arteta train??

Has he done anything as a manager? I heard he’s won 3 Spanish leagues with Espanyol on CM. Is that enough though??

If he was ugly, born in Croydon and never played for us people wouldn't give him a second thought.

The Carlisle job's available, he should give that a go and see how he gets on.
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May 22, 2018, 04:09:53 AM
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If it's right about Arsenal going for Emery then it makes @BlueForYou 's early morning rant on Saturday even funnier. Pointless, but funny none the less. :)

May 22, 2018, 04:27:15 AM
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This prove yourself in the lower leagues is bullshit thinking from 100 years ago and belongs in the past. people like Beckenbauer, Dalglish,  were brilliant managers straight from the get go. The best manager in the world cut his teeth as a coach. The next best, Zidane was also a reserve team coach. Some people have it. And if an individual has the the ability and is recognized as such by his peers it is stupid to pass it up just to make sure he can cut it the lower tier of the English leagues. We don't expect that from top players so why do it to managers?

How many players have come pretty much straight from playing at top club, got the top job and made a success of it? It's bullshit, people mention Guardiola, Dalglish and Zidane but they're the exception rather than norm. Far too many blue tinted glasses on.

May 22, 2018, 04:35:45 AM
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It's not because he played for Everton. I think Viera is a really good option too. We need to find the next Pep, Zidane etc. We need to find the exception. it's going to take trial and error, we need to find the Pocchetino before he is at Spurs for example. otherwise we stuck fighting for 6th in perpetuity

Is that a "not many" then?

On Veira, he's gone and cut his teeth in a lower quality league but apparently that's outdated. ;)

I'm not sold on Silva bit we can't afford "trial error" anymore, we've gone through 3 managers in recent years, cost a fortune in compo and spent a fortune on players. We need someone who will hit the ground running and hopefully with Brands build something here, not take a punt on a complete unknown as a manager.
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May 22, 2018, 04:50:09 AM
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Silva isn't trial an error?

I did say I'm not sold on him but he's far less of a punt than Arteta.

We have tried the tried and tested and it has failed. The closest we have come to the top was when we took a bit of a chance on Martinez.

It hasn't really failed though has it, best of the rest under Koeman and Allardyce got us 8th all be it with horrendous football and I do admit 8th was inspite of Allardyce rather than because of him and it hasn't been what we wanted.

The closest we have come to the top was when we took a bit of a chance on Martinez.

Is that Martinez who managed 3 seasons in the Premier League and a couple in the "lower leagues"? You're not doing your Arteta argument any favours here. ;)
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