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Who would you like in charge?

Marco Silva
Rafa Benitez
Brendan Rodgers
Eddie Howe
Mikel Arteta
Arsene Wenger
AN Other

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November 01, 2017, 11:35:57 PM
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November 01, 2017, 11:43:33 PM
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Watch his progress over the next two seasons - assuming he does progress!



I've kept an eye on Rowett for some time now. He looks pretty useful from what he's done up till now. As you mention. "he might not be ready just yet," possibly one for the future though:)
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November 02, 2017, 01:45:51 AM
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Exactly. This is what I mean when I say we probably haven't done our due diligence. It's all well and good to go for somebody who's getting good results today, but some genuine thought needs to go into whether or not their style suits the club (especially the current playing staff). I see no evidence that Moshiri/Kenwright are doing this.

- We don't have much physicality in the front line so it's going to be hard for us to play a direct, long-passing style (Allardyce, Dyche).
- Our CBs aren't good in possession so it's going to be hard for us to play with three at the back (Nuno). Maybe Nuno can use Holgate at RCB and Baines at LCB but that still feels like a flimsy plan, especially considering that Baines has never played that sort of role.
- We have a very slow team so it's going to be hard for us to hire anyone who wants us to play a high line and/or press (most of the genuinely intriguing candidates).

[All of those things highlight how diabolical our recruitment was under Koeman/Walsh. These were three things that Koeman almost certainly wanted us to be able to do and we don't have the players to do any of them properly. We have few, if any, strengths as a team.]

Our best option right now probably involves playing a deliberate, careful style in possession to minimize cheap giveaways, with a mid-block or low-block defensively. We're not going to score tons of open-play goals this way, but we'll be organized and we can punish teams from set pieces (Sigurdsson needs to play), or with the odd good cut-back or cross from decent build-up play down the flanks, or with the odd direct pass behind the defense when we draw our opponents out. Basically a version of how Swansea played when they first got promoted. [For all that money. Garbage recruitment.]

What managers can realize this sort of approach? I'm not sure, exactly. Ted Knutson put Marcelino out there as a good fit but he's doing so well with Valencia that we're unlikely to be able to get him. Rodgers managed the aforementioned Swansea team, but he's a cringe-bag and probably wouldn't come here. Favre's teams tend to be organized and deliberate, though he does rely on pace for counter-attacking. Unsworth gave us a glimpse of this approach with his 4-3-3 against Chelsea (minus having Sigurdsson's set pieces on the pitch) but then totally abandoned the idea against Leicester.

It's a tough situation. But I think it's crucial to hire someone who can get us functioning with a minimal number of additions in January. We can't be buying a whole new group of players to suit a new manager every 2 years (or even less, as in our current situation). That's a surefire path to the bottom of the league.

Moshiri/Kenwright need to have a serious re-think about the way this club is run. Maybe do that root-and-branch analysis before getting into bed with a shiny, new, expensive manager. Figure out what you want for the club and pay whatever price for a proper director of football to oversee the project. That person will be more qualified to make decisions about managers, new players, and staff, i.e. all of the things that we're currently getting horribly wrong.

Edit: Apologies to @GLewis  for dumping all of that into a reply to a short comment.

Not sure pace is that important for pressing as I’d put most of it down to positional sense and awareness.

Niasse is reasonably fast but his reactions are poor. You need everyone moving in sync rather than players being quick-ish but not making up the half yard that they lost in their head.

Most if not all of our players are now hard working so if the distances are kept small then you can still press (Spurs have few fast midfielders and attackers for example or Barça peak Guardiola).


November 02, 2017, 01:49:41 AM
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Going by current results the poll I don't think an Allardyce or Dyche appointment would be overly popular.  I see on the BBC that they have stated that the wolves boss Santo has said he does not want to leave the club despite interest from Everton.  I honestly can't see us being in for him but I could be wrong.

 I'm hoping against hope that we get a top manager who will be able to get us going and not some of the 'relegation messiah's' that the press are constantly linking us with. I know we are currently in the bottom 3 but at the end of the day we are only really a couple of wins from the top half, its not as if we are 10 points adrift and rock bottom at Christmas.

At least any new manager coming in has the next 2 months to evaluate what he needs to add to the squad in Jan (Striker obviously) but then again there are probably numerous players in the current squad that he will not deem good enough and will need replaced. 

Im hoping Sandro gets a couple of games to try and get him a bit more up to speed in the league as surely it would be great to get him up top scoring a couple to give us some options as he has looked way off the pace this season but I do think there is a player in there.  Like Calvert Lewin he has looked raw but I think over the course of the season he is bound to come good and start banging them in but problem is we don't have the time needed at the minute to persevere with players playing poorly.

November 02, 2017, 01:56:08 AM
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Going by current results the poll I don't think an Allardyce or Dyche appointment would be overly popular.  I see on the BBC that they have stated that the wolves boss Santo has said he does not want to leave the club despite interest from Everton.  I honestly can't see us being in for him but I could be wrong.

 I'm hoping against hope that we get a top manager who will be able to get us going and not some of the 'relegation messiah's' that the press are constantly linking us with. I know we are currently in the bottom 3 but at the end of the day we are only really a couple of wins from the top half, its not as if we are 10 points adrift and rock bottom at Christmas.

At least any new manager coming in has the next 2 months to evaluate what he needs to add to the squad in Jan (Striker obviously) but then again there are probably numerous players in the current squad that he will not deem good enough and will need replaced. 

Im hoping Sandro gets a couple of games to try and get him a bit more up to speed in the league as surely it would be great to get him up top scoring a couple to give us some options as he has looked way off the pace this season but I do think there is a player in there.  Like Calvert Lewin he has looked raw but I think over the course of the season he is bound to come good and start banging them in but problem is we don't have the time needed at the minute to persevere with players playing poorly.

We've got to give sandro and extended run now. We've tried DCL and I know I'm on my own in this but he's been our biggest problem. I'm simply not having a boy who's got about 1 in 20 in the league is currently a better bet than someone who scored 16 last season in la liga. We've got to give the likes of sandro, klassen and lookman lots of games and hope they come good because the players we are currently playing are falling well short

November 02, 2017, 02:00:03 AM
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Exactly. This is what I mean when I say we probably haven't done our due diligence. It's all well and good to go for somebody who's getting good results today, but some genuine thought needs to go into whether or not their style suits the club (especially the current playing staff). I see no evidence that Moshiri/Kenwright are doing this.

- We don't have much physicality in the front line so it's going to be hard for us to play a direct, long-passing style (Allardyce, Dyche).
- Our CBs aren't good in possession so it's going to be hard for us to play with three at the back (Nuno). Maybe Nuno can use Holgate at RCB and Baines at LCB but that still feels like a flimsy plan, especially considering that Baines has never played that sort of role.
- We have a very slow team so it's going to be hard for us to hire anyone who wants us to play a high line and/or press (most of the genuinely intriguing candidates).

[All of those things highlight how diabolical our recruitment was under Koeman/Walsh. These were three things that Koeman almost certainly wanted us to be able to do and we don't have the players to do any of them properly. We have few, if any, strengths as a team.]

Our best option right now probably involves playing a deliberate, careful style in possession to minimize cheap giveaways, with a mid-block or low-block defensively. We're not going to score tons of open-play goals this way, but we'll be organized and we can punish teams from set pieces (Sigurdsson needs to play), or with the odd good cut-back or cross from decent build-up play down the flanks, or with the odd direct pass behind the defense when we draw our opponents out. Basically a version of how Swansea played when they first got promoted. [For all that money. Garbage recruitment.]

What managers can realize this sort of approach? I'm not sure, exactly. Ted Knutson put Marcelino out there as a good fit but he's doing so well with Valencia that we're unlikely to be able to get him. Rodgers managed the aforementioned Swansea team, but he's a cringe-bag and probably wouldn't come here. Favre's teams tend to be organized and deliberate, though he does rely on pace for counter-attacking. Unsworth gave us a glimpse of this approach with his 4-3-3 against Chelsea (minus having Sigurdsson's set pieces on the pitch) but then totally abandoned the idea against Leicester.

It's a tough situation. But I think it's crucial to hire someone who can get us functioning with a minimal number of additions in January. We can't be buying a whole new group of players to suit a new manager every 2 years (or even less, as in our current situation). That's a surefire path to the bottom of the league.

Moshiri/Kenwright need to have a serious re-think about the way this club is run. Maybe do that root-and-branch analysis before getting into bed with a shiny, new, expensive manager. Figure out what you want for the club and pay whatever price for a proper director of football to oversee the project. That person will be more qualified to make decisions about managers, new players, and staff, i.e. all of the things that we're currently getting horribly wrong.

Edit: Apologies to @GLewis  for dumping all of that into a reply to a short comment.

Thank you. I love posts like this, I learn so much.

For all the years I've been playing and watching - when someone comes out with something like this it just illustrates how some people can see things about this beautiful game that I would never see on my own.

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November 02, 2017, 02:25:59 AM
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fat sam can fuck off, don't want him anywhere near the club, and if anyone thinks he is the answer, they are asking the wrong bloody question.
total lack of thought,ambition and class.

he would have the shite laughing at us admitting we are a small club.
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November 02, 2017, 02:34:04 AM
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fat sam can fuck off, don't want him anywhere near the club, and if anyone thinks he is the answer, they are asking the wrong bloody question.
total lack of thought,ambition and class.

he would have the shite laughing at us admitting we are a small club.

Definitely not laughing currently are they

November 02, 2017, 02:37:48 AM
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Definitely not laughing currently are they

Why ? As shite as they are, we always manage to be worse. Fat sam would make them piss themselves at us.
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November 02, 2017, 02:44:21 AM
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Why ? As shite as they are, we always manage to be worse. Fat sam would make them piss themselves at us.

Who cares if they laugh. "Fat Sam" has always been a very good manager. Why would it concern you what they think. They'll laugh a lot harder if we appoint an unknown quantity and go down.
I'm not massively in favour of anyone on the list. I'm not sure how anyone can be that inspired by any or that upset by the 1s we have real knowledge of. Who do you want

November 02, 2017, 02:46:54 AM
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I've kept an eye on Rowett for some time now. He looks pretty useful from what he's done up till now. As you mention. "he might not be ready just yet," possibly one for the future though:)
I'd personally rather go with Rowett over Dyche and a million percent over Unworth. He's got good experience and had decent results

November 02, 2017, 02:53:55 AM
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Over the Last few years I've pitied the teams who have had the likes of allardyse and pullis in charge. A kinda safe-ish, bog standard, mid table manager for mid table, wanna remain in the premiership, can't get anyone better, teams.
How the fuck did we add to that group !!!
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November 02, 2017, 03:01:19 AM
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Imagine the mess on here if we get Alerdyce Allerdyce Alardyce Allergic Allardyce, most people can't even spell his fucking name right. ;)

November 02, 2017, 03:02:11 AM
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This Nuno is on crack if he really wants to stay at fucking Wolves over taking over here.

November 02, 2017, 03:05:50 AM
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Get Pochettino in. Look at this fella. Hes got Spurs competing with the likes of Real Madrid. One can only dream thats what it is now a dream.