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October 24, 2017, 01:55:00 AM
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could well be right. The things which we have always done wrong are still being done wrong and crazily by the same individuals. The problems at Everton lie much deeper than the manager

I agree.

This really is a crucial part of having a DoF, which I talked about when we appointed Walsh. It must be an integral part of how the club's doing business, and both the manager (or head coach) and the DoF must know what their responsibilities are and how not to tread on each other's toes. A DoF buying players whether the manager wants them or not is just as useless as one that yields to every request. It's very tricky to get it right and we obviously didn't.

Whether Walsh is the right man for the job is yet to be seen though.
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October 24, 2017, 02:01:23 AM
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Said it ages ago and got shot down about Ross waiting for Koeman to go before signing a new deal.

He hasn’t signed yet.......
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October 24, 2017, 02:02:16 AM
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I agree.

This really is a crucial part of having a DoF, which I talked about when we appointed Walsh. It must be an integral part of how the club's doing business, and both the manager (or head coach) and the DoF must know what their responsibilities are and how not to tread on each other's toes. A DoF buying players whether the manager wants them or not is just as useless as one that yields to every request. It's very tricky to get it right and we obviously didn't.

Whether Walsh is the right man for the job is yet to be seen though.

'toe treading' is inevitable.

the left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing is never the way forward.

no idea how this can be resolved without upsetting one or the other...


October 24, 2017, 02:04:06 AM
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Is there an example of a DOF working anywhere? I know it's not like me but i'm really cynical about it.
I still despise Clive Thomas..

October 24, 2017, 02:04:35 AM
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October 24, 2017, 02:06:33 AM
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'toe treading' is inevitable.

the left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing is never the way forward.

no idea how this can be resolved without upsetting one or the other...

Well, the theory is that DoF is there for the long term, and the head coach is responsible for the short term. Ideally the DoF is part of the club's brickwork, a well-respected ex-player or something similar. They should also constantly talk to each other. It's fine to disagree but when they finish their discussion, they should do so with a clear decision.

That's the theory.

In practice if it isn't part of the whole culture of the club (like it is in most German clubs), it usually fails miserably.
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October 24, 2017, 02:11:48 AM
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Well, the theory is that DoF is there for the long term, and the head coach is responsible for the short term. Ideally the DoF is part of the club's brickwork, a well-respected ex-player or something similar. They should also constantly talk to each other. It's fine to disagree but when they finish their discussion, they should do so with a clear decision.

That's the theory.

In practice if it isn't part of the whole culture of the club (like it is in most German clubs), it usually fails miserably.

But eventually, won't it be part of the culture everywhere?  It's too much responsibility for the manager to carry (and do so competently) in the modern game.
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October 24, 2017, 02:12:02 AM
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And the reason he probably wants to fuck off and leave is cos of the likes of you coming out with shit like that.
No, he wants to leave because he doesn’t get us...

October 24, 2017, 02:14:14 AM
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Bullshit. Koeman has the final say on his team and transfers. A fair few will be down to Walsh, who he will have recommended them to Koeman and got the nod of approval from him, but Klassen and Sigurdsson are clearly Koemans idea.
And only having one LB at the club was who’s idea?

October 24, 2017, 02:15:00 AM
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But eventually, won't it be part of the culture everywhere?  It's too much responsibility for the manager to carry (and do so competently) in the modern game.

I don't know. We've got better technology now and scouts can do things that even ten years ago would've been seen as science fiction. Maybe automation and algorithms is the answer. (Though I personally hope not.) Maybe managers could be successful by staying hands-on with recruitment and delegating more of the coaching and preparation work. (Ferguson did this pretty well.)

I genuinely have no idea.
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October 24, 2017, 02:16:09 AM
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Is there an example of a DOF working anywhere? I know it's not like me but i'm really cynical about it.

Barcelona with Txiki Begiristain, or the entire Bundesliga.
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October 24, 2017, 02:18:17 AM
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GrantyBoy78


That's a damning assessment of the board for not backing Walsh. All of his authority must stem from the board, it's not enough to just put a guy in place.
Sounds like Walsh is the world’s most expensive chief scout. Hardly has the authority or profile of a genuine DoF like Monchi.

October 24, 2017, 02:19:13 AM
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And only having one LB at the club was who’s idea?

Both.... Koeman for letting Galloway go on loan and Walsh for not getting one in.... assuming Koeman asked him for one. Saying that, they were probably too pre-occupied with Sigurdsson and his agent for 2 months.
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October 24, 2017, 02:20:27 AM
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I think there is a role for a DoF, in theory it makes perfect sense. You don’t want to keep emptying the knowledge bank every time you change your managerial appointment and he takes all his staff with him.
You need some continuity to gel everything together in the modern game.

The key is finding a good, experienced guy with the people skills to work with a variety of manager’s from probably a variety of cultures. He also needs the trust and backing of the board.

October 24, 2017, 02:22:41 AM
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Barcelona with Txiki Begiristain, or the entire Bundesliga.
Think they must be more civilised and more diplomatic, it always seems to be strife over here.
I still despise Clive Thomas..