Villa's was over a big period of time though. Finished 16th, 15th, 15th, 17th before they finally went down. That's 5 years of being awful and bad recruitment summer after summer where by the end the players, fans and club were in pieces.
We finished 7th 6 months ago, we dont know for sure but it's more likely this is a very bad period where players are on absolute bottom confidence and form levels. We had bad periods under moyes early in seasons where good players look bad, then when results started to come they went back to looking good players. We know players like Schneiderlin, Davies, Gueye, Gylfi arent terrible players like theyve looked for most of the season. It is more likely when form and confidence comes back they go back to being good players than all of a sudden all be finished as top flight footballers.
There is a lot of work, but still important to remember we are 9 league games into the season. Plenty of time for whoever comes in to work with them and find a way to get them going and up the table.
We can hope. But I just don't see anything much to hang that hope on right now.
Those Moyes teams had an established identity and core of players designed to assert it with a history of doing just that. And they thrived on challenges.
This team...what the hell is it? As has been pointed out, it does nothing very well in any part of the pitch. So it's hard to see a foundation and strength to build on.
New manager is going to have to first establish an identity to the team and the players he can rely on. I suspect he'll also need to ship off a number of players not suited by skillset or attitude to help bring that off. That's a lot of fundamental tasks this far into the season. He'll need to be good.