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November 19, 2017, 08:18:45 PM
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Don't think cost is an issue, just think its a bad fit at any price, in scenario.

There's a few ways to improve or change things, personnel, formation or reduced ambition.

Silva is not going to get big improvement from individuals, he's not a 3 at back manager, and style wise, he's ambitious.


November 19, 2017, 08:20:13 PM
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Ross


Fair point.

The plus side is beginning to look a little light of substance.
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November 19, 2017, 08:26:18 PM
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I don't get the arguments about not wanting him as he'd probably want to leave in 2 years, or he's not done a long period at a club. Jose has never done more than 3 years anywhere but he's done well everywhere he has been to a point.

The average length of tenure for football league managers is now under a year, including the pl it's a year and a quarter. Watford have a policy of not really looking to keep managers longer than 2 years regardless how they do. Manages like guardiola in the past have said its hard to do longer than a 3 year cycle at a club because the players stop taking on messages after a certain point. Not many managers stay at clubs longer than 3 years now, simeone is one of the anomolies however even atletico are starting to slip a bit, concede more goals, win less games, points per game dropping etc.

I think we should stop worrying about whether a manager will want to be here for longer than 2 years and look to build something long term. If we got silva he is great for 2 years and moves on so be it, we get another good manager and try to move on from there.


November 19, 2017, 08:27:23 PM
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GrantyBoy78


Allardyce and West Brom are a perfect match, both shite at everything they do
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November 19, 2017, 08:30:11 PM
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I don't get the arguments about not wanting him as he'd probably want to leave in 2 years, or he's not done a long period at a club. Jose has never done more than 3 years anywhere but he's done well everywhere he has been to a point.

The average length of tenure for football league managers is now under a year, including the pl it's a year and a quarter. Watford have a policy of not really looking to keep managers longer than 2 years regardless how they do. Manages like guardiola in the past have said its hard to do longer than a 3 year cycle at a club because the players stop taking on messages after a certain point. Not many managers stay at clubs longer than 3 years now, simeone is one of the anomolies however even atletico are starting to slip a bit, concede more goals, win less games, points per game dropping etc.

I think we should stop worrying about whether a manager will want to be here for longer than 2 years and look to build something long term. If we got silva he is great for 2 years and moves on so be it, we get another good manager and try to move on from there.

Agreed. I think we need someone better, and more influential, than Walsh to make it work, though.

November 19, 2017, 08:37:49 PM
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November 19, 2017, 08:42:03 PM
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November 19, 2017, 09:02:16 PM
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I don't get the arguments about not wanting him as he'd probably want to leave in 2 years, or he's not done a long period at a club. Jose has never done more than 3 years anywhere but he's done well everywhere he has been to a point.

The average length of tenure for football league managers is now under a year, including the pl it's a year and a quarter. Watford have a policy of not really looking to keep managers longer than 2 years regardless how they do. Manages like guardiola in the past have said its hard to do longer than a 3 year cycle at a club because the players stop taking on messages after a certain point. Not many managers stay at clubs longer than 3 years now, simeone is one of the anomolies however even atletico are starting to slip a bit, concede more goals, win less games, points per game dropping etc.

I think we should stop worrying about whether a manager will want to be here for longer than 2 years and look to build something long term. If we got silva he is great for 2 years and moves on so be it, we get another good manager and try to move on from there.

and surely if he moved on in 2 years time, what is left behind would be a lot more palatable than the ashes of, say, Sam Allardyce's "just keep 'em up and graft 10% off the top" short terming.
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November 19, 2017, 09:23:09 PM
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Rhys


and surely if he moved on in 2 years time, what is left behind would be a lot more palatable than the ashes of, say, Sam Allardyce's "just keep 'em up and graft 10% off the top" short terming.

It's like with west brom, when they sack pulis whoever takes over will take over a set of players who will have had probably on average 30-35% possession a game over a few year period. If they think the fans are bored of his style and want a manager who will play more football that's a tough job for someone to transform how a team play quickly who are so used to playing without the ball and focussed pretty much everything on defensive setup.

November 19, 2017, 09:56:02 PM
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I don't get the arguments about not wanting him as he'd probably want to leave in 2 years, or he's not done a long period at a club. Jose has never done more than 3 years anywhere but he's done well everywhere he has been to a point.

The average length of tenure for football league managers is now under a year, including the pl it's a year and a quarter. Watford have a policy of not really looking to keep managers longer than 2 years regardless how they do. Manages like guardiola in the past have said its hard to do longer than a 3 year cycle at a club because the players stop taking on messages after a certain point. Not many managers stay at clubs longer than 3 years now, simeone is one of the anomolies however even atletico are starting to slip a bit, concede more goals, win less games, points per game dropping etc.

I think we should stop worrying about whether a manager will want to be here for longer than 2 years and look to build something long term. If we got silva he is great for 2 years and moves on so be it, we get another good manager and try to move on from there.

That's true and I'm one of the ones concerned about his inability to stick around. If we get him, give him no more than a 2 year contract then.
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November 19, 2017, 10:02:15 PM
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Evertonian in NC


NBCSN sure thinks he's coming.  "Everton's former manager shaking hands with perhaps its next manager."

Got $200 on the Hammers winning this...
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November 19, 2017, 10:16:50 PM
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I don't get the arguments about not wanting him as he'd probably want to leave in 2 years, or he's not done a long period at a club. Jose has never done more than 3 years anywhere but he's done well everywhere he has been to a point.

The average length of tenure for football league managers is now under a year, including the pl it's a year and a quarter. Watford have a policy of not really looking to keep managers longer than 2 years regardless how they do. Manages like guardiola in the past have said its hard to do longer than a 3 year cycle at a club because the players stop taking on messages after a certain point. Not many managers stay at clubs longer than 3 years now, simeone is one of the anomolies however even atletico are starting to slip a bit, concede more goals, win less games, points per game dropping etc.

I think we should stop worrying about whether a manager will want to be here for longer than 2 years and look to build something long term. If we got silva he is great for 2 years and moves on so be it, we get another good manager and try to move on from there.

I don't think anyone is arguing that point to be honest. I've read a few doubts about whether he might be the right man for the job but none really querying his past length of tenure (unless I haven't read back over the thread enough).

November 19, 2017, 10:17:08 PM
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Watching Watford here, they press well and in the right areas.

Also, for the goal, they really used the full width of the pitch, with both the winger and wing-back combining well, and they had the box filled with options for knock downs and rebounds.
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November 19, 2017, 10:19:14 PM
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Lxxx


It's like with west brom, when they sack pulis whoever takes over will take over a set of players who will have had probably on average 30-35% possession a game over a few year period. If they think the fans are bored of his style and want a manager who will play more football that's a tough job for someone to transform how a team play quickly who are so used to playing without the ball and focussed pretty much everything on defensive setup.

Which makes it all the more important we have some kind of vision for the club as a whole. Some sort of identity of who we are as a club to ensure we have consistency of recruitment, both player and manager.

November 19, 2017, 10:27:11 PM
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I don't get the arguments about not wanting him as he'd probably want to leave in 2 years, or he's not done a long period at a club. Jose has never done more than 3 years anywhere but he's done well everywhere he has been to a point.

The average length of tenure for football league managers is now under a year, including the pl it's a year and a quarter. Watford have a policy of not really looking to keep managers longer than 2 years regardless how they do. Manages like guardiola in the past have said its hard to do longer than a 3 year cycle at a club because the players stop taking on messages after a certain point. Not many managers stay at clubs longer than 3 years now, simeone is one of the anomolies however even atletico are starting to slip a bit, concede more goals, win less games, points per game dropping etc.

I think we should stop worrying about whether a manager will want to be here for longer than 2 years and look to build something long term. If we got silva he is great for 2 years and moves on so be it, we get another good manager and try to move on from there.

It's not two years though, if he comes he will have lasted less than a year at each of his last 4 clubs.

And all due respect to Guardiola but Alex Ferguson among others might beg to disagree.