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December 25, 2017, 12:58:54 AM
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Did I say they weren't?

It was an example of a manager who, in the past at least, managed to exceed expectations based on the budget available to him.
So what are you saying
For one year david moyes competed, yet pochetino has for several. I'm not sure I get what the point is?
Is it that anyone can do it once but pochetino has done it more?


Simply simply lovely


December 25, 2017, 01:50:58 AM
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Again I'm not wanting 'pretty' football, for the sake of it. We have plenty of talented footballers, and lots of resources now. If we end up taking the Moyesian damage limitation attitude to games against the big 6 for the next few seasons, 7th will be our ceiling.

Why? Obv very early days but under Allardyce we’re dispatching all the shit teams and not losing to the good ones. If you can maintain something akin to that form for a decent stretch I really don’t see why we couldn’t challenge for 5th, say.

December 25, 2017, 02:45:40 AM
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Agreed. Our next manager needs to be very high profile and totally proven. Maybe Simeone will be interested then? However, it would be harsh on Allardyce if he has finally cracked it and wants to continue.

But as you say, if it's for getting the standard of manager we've had in the past, what's the point?
Agree that the next manager needs to be high profile no matter what Allardyce achieve. When his contract runs out we should go separate ways, no matter what.

If he wins something then we are on top and should capitalize on that and recruit whatever top manager available. To show that we want to stay up top.

Harsh, maybe but he is also paid good money for being here.
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December 25, 2017, 02:51:10 AM
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Agree that the next manager needs to be high profile no matter what Allardyce achieve. When his contract runs out we should go separate ways, no matter what.

If he wins something then we are on top and should capitalize on that and recruit whatever top manager available. To show that we want to stay up top.

Harsh, maybe but he is also paid good money for being here.

Get rid of a manager who wins us our first trophy in over 20 years?

The delusion of the modern day fan is real

December 25, 2017, 02:56:36 AM
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Hannibal Lecter


Get rid of a manager who wins us our first trophy in over 20 years?

The delusion of the modern day fan is real
I want us to be pragmatic and successful, not nice litte plucky Everton.
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December 25, 2017, 02:57:26 AM
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Agree that the next manager needs to be high profile no matter what Allardyce achieve. When his contract runs out we should go separate ways, no matter what.

If he wins something then we are on top and should capitalize on that and recruit whatever top manager available. To show that we want to stay up top.

Harsh, maybe but he is also paid good money for being here.

No matter what he achieves or who's available? Sounds like a very sensible plan


December 25, 2017, 02:58:15 AM
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I want us to be pragmatic and successful, not nice litte plucky Everton.

It's pragmatic to decide he needs to go in 18 months regardless? 

December 25, 2017, 04:15:46 AM
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Hannibal Lecter


It's pragmatic to decide he needs to go in 18 months regardless?
In this case? Yes.
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December 25, 2017, 04:24:08 AM
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KoemansNumberTens


In this case? Yes.


It was more of a rhetorical question because it's really not.

December 25, 2017, 04:35:55 AM
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Why? Obv very early days but under Allardyce we’re dispatching all the shit teams and not losing to the good ones. If you can maintain something akin to that form for a decent stretch I really don’t see why we couldn’t challenge for 5th, say.

Maintaining that would defo get us in to that area, but I think that the form we've managed so far based on this style of football is unsustainable.  We'll start to lose some of the games we've sneaked draws in, and we'll not break down some of the teams we've beaten every time either.

December 25, 2017, 04:40:41 AM
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Someone's been eating too many people or drinking too much Chianti. "Sitherrr"! :eh:
Steinbeck's maxim: “Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.”.

December 25, 2017, 05:36:22 AM
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So regardless of what Sam achieves in the next 18 months, he needs to step aside for the new guy, who will attempt to achieve what Sam may or may not have achieved already...?

Sound.

December 25, 2017, 05:58:52 AM
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I like him, always have done - gives a straight answer to questions - had to chuckle at the end of press conference few days ago when all the guys were standing up in front of the camera, he muttered "bloody hell 25 years" in reference to when he had his first managers job.

December 25, 2017, 09:00:28 AM
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Let’s take it one step at a time. Who knows what will be in 18 months time?

With us lately it seems we’d do better having a new manager every season.

Look at recent history.

Martinez. Season one was great. The other two disasters.

Koeman. Season one pretty good. Season two awful.

Allardyce. So far so good. Probably next season will be shit based on recent history.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." Anais Nin

December 25, 2017, 11:01:36 AM
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Confucius

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Allardyce will be supported in the next two transfer windows. As long as their is an upwards trajectory it's ok to keep him. But... if a top class manager becomes available, like say Simeone and we can get him. Then we get rid of Sam. Same goes for players, if a better option than what we have becomes available then you get that player.

We might not be able to attract better players with Allardyce in charge. Perhaps we will need a better manager before we can get the better players.
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