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July 12, 2018, 07:02:25 PM
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Agree with that.

I'm talking more about changing the system.

Seemed obvious we were getting over-run in the midfield last night. Instead of asking Lingard to drop in making a three, he kept it as it was and we couldn't get control of the game.

Even the subs he made were just like for like and had no impact. For me he should've put Dier alongside Henderson and gone to a more 3-5-2, or 5-4-1.

Regardless he's done a great job and should take this team forward. I said prior to the tournament we should do with southgate what the germans did with Lowe


It was too narrow.

Once Croatia had control of the ball their midfield were able to switch play time and time again to overloads as there was a FB and winger vs a wing back.

Particularly on Eng left, it was the RB whonwas causing lots of problems.

Should have asked Sterling or Rashford to mark him.

July 12, 2018, 07:06:25 PM
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Also Modric and Vrsaljko can fuck off with their snarky comments. Will be humming La Marseillaise loudly on Sunday.

Saw Modric saying about pundits and stuff.

Which I think he’s right about. Under appreciation of the opposition is a classic trait (Rio, Neville both said things along these lines).

Vrsaljko was more specific. Must have been irked by something. From the sounds of it their team had been using media comments about them/ the game as motivation.

July 12, 2018, 07:09:55 PM
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Saw Modric saying about pundits and stuff.

Which I think he’s right about. Under appreciation of the opposition is a classic trait (Rio, Neville both said things along these lines).

Vrsaljko was more specific. Must have been irked by something. From the sounds of it their team had been using media comments about them/ the game as motivation.

Yeah I totally disagreed. People gave Croatia respect, but they just thought England would win, based on form and fitness. Plenty of neutrals agreed with that, and I didn’t think the tone was remotely nationalistic tub-thumping.
Jeff: That's not the way to win.
Kathie: Is there a way to win?
Jeff: There's a way to lose more slowly.


July 12, 2018, 07:15:19 PM
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Saw Modric saying about pundits and stuff.

Which I think he’s right about. Under appreciation of the opposition is a classic trait (Rio, Neville both said things along these lines).

Vrsaljko was more specific. Must have been irked by something. From the sounds of it their team had been using media comments about them/ the game as motivation.

I was just reading his comments and didn't see a lot wrong with it, fair play for using it as motivation. The only thing I did think was it's a bit of an overreaction for fairly nothing comments, I don't think anyone was calling them poorer or weaker than England just that they may be a bit tired after two games going to extra time and penalties which is a fair assumption.

July 12, 2018, 07:17:57 PM
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Yeah I totally disagreed. People gave Croatia respect, but they just thought England would win, based on form and fitness. Plenty of neutrals agreed with that, and I didn’t think the tone was remotely nationalistic tub-thumpingz

Obviously not everyone like that (and actually thought a few of the new snippets were surprisingly accurate in their acknowledgement that Croatia do have top players) but they’re not making this stuff up.

Might have been a bit less this time round but there is always “surprise” on a general level when England go out. But when only been to 4 semis in international tournaments ever it should actually be the other way round.

And those two might have been extreme (but we know enough to be recorded by the other team) but what on earth had they seen to be anything other than 50:50 nudging towards England through hope/ natural support?

This is morphing into a punditry complaint but there should be more cold analysis than that.

The pattern of lose control of the game and get punished by decent opposition happens all the time.

July 12, 2018, 07:20:12 PM
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I was just reading his comments and didn't see a lot wrong with it, fair play for using it as motivation. The only thing I did think was it's a bit of an overreaction for fairly nothing comments, I don't think anyone was calling them poorer or weaker than England just that they may be a bit tired after two games going to extra time and penalties which is a fair assumption.

Which might mean there is a general thought across the world that England thinks too much of itself/ not enough of everyone else.

A campaign probably lead by @Confucius  :)


July 12, 2018, 07:22:41 PM
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I want France to win, but I wouldn't have a problem if Croatia wins it either. They've had to fight and scrap to reach the final and for such a tiny country in terms of population, it would be incredible achievement. And hearing part of Modric's own personal story as a youngster too.

I didn't like the way they played against England, but they are making their strengths work for them.

Love an underdog story.
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July 12, 2018, 07:51:06 PM
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Which might mean there is a general thought across the world that England thinks too much of itself/ not enough of everyone else.

A campaign probably lead by @Confucius  :)

cough cough  :thumbsup:

July 12, 2018, 08:07:50 PM
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Obviously not everyone like that (and actually thought a few of the new snippets were surprisingly accurate in their acknowledgement that Croatia do have top players) but they’re not making this stuff up.

Might have been a bit less this time round but there is always “surprise” on a general level when England go out. But when only been to 4 semis in international tournaments ever it should actually be the other way round.

And those two might have been extreme (but we know enough to be recorded by the other team) but what on earth had they seen to be anything other than 50:50 nudging towards England through hope/ natural support?

This is morphing into a punditry complaint but there should be more cold analysis than that.

The pattern of lose control of the game and get punished by decent opposition happens all the time.

Yeah, just a difference of opinion but I just don't see it. I saw a number of neutral pundits saying they saw England edging this one, based on football reasons and fitness. I think it was an entirely reasonable to think England would win, on balance.
Jeff: That's not the way to win.
Kathie: Is there a way to win?
Jeff: There's a way to lose more slowly.

July 12, 2018, 08:24:37 PM
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Yeah, just a difference of opinion but I just don't see it. I saw a number of neutral pundits saying they saw England edging this one, based on football reasons and fitness. I think it was an entirely reasonable to think England would win, on balance.
It's also incredibly easy to both pick a few isolated moments of English arrogance from the vast number of English media outlets and to understand it, given the prevalence of English speakers/readers around the world.

This is an interesting counter showing how, just maybe, it's not really an isolated thing for the English: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/jul/12/england-unbelievably-inferior-croatia-press-world-cup-semi-final
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July 12, 2018, 08:27:21 PM
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Hard to criticise Southgate but he seemed very reluctant to change things when they weren’t going well.
Martinez engineered Brazil’s downfall and they’re calling him a fraud.
Not sure Southgate did any better and England beat no one of note.
Quality at their disposal obviously weighted in Martinez favour.

July 12, 2018, 08:33:47 PM
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Serious question as I cant remember
In 1990 did we play a 3rd place playoff?

Lost 1 nil to Italy. Shiltons fault

July 12, 2018, 08:35:56 PM
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Yeah I all recall Dave Beasant playing in goal.

Shilton played he got tackled for their goal

July 12, 2018, 09:00:16 PM
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It's also incredibly easy to both pick a few isolated moments of English arrogance from the vast number of English media outlets and to understand it, given the prevalence of English speakers/readers around the world.

This is an interesting counter showing how, just maybe, it's not really an isolated thing for the English: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/jul/12/england-unbelievably-inferior-croatia-press-world-cup-semi-final

The ignorance there is breathtaking. All of that would be true....about 20 years ago.

In fairness, we're not popular abroad generally, are we? If you see most of the comments sections on the Guardian throughout the WC, there's been lots of people from other countries saying how shit we are, saying how much we overrate ourselves, arrogance etc etc

I think pictures of English fans celebrating and throwing lager around have probably been transmitted around the world, and possibly given a slightly false impression.

Obviously, you get a few people getting carried away with the nationalism and all that (as with any country), but I do think it's been different this time. People had low expectations, they like the manager and what he was trying to do, and they respected the effort of a limited group of players, who were a Harry Kane finish away from probably getting to the final.
Jeff: That's not the way to win.
Kathie: Is there a way to win?
Jeff: There's a way to lose more slowly.

July 12, 2018, 09:09:45 PM
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TheRam

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The ignorance there is breathtaking. All of that would be true....about 20 years ago.

In fairness, we're not popular abroad generally, are we? If you see most of the comments sections on the Guardian throughout the WC, there's been lots of people from other countries saying how shit we are, saying how much we overrate ourselves, arrogance etc etc

I think pictures of English fans celebrating and throwing lager around have probably been transmitted around the world, and possibly given a slightly false impression.

Obviously, you get a few people getting carried away with the nationalism and all that (as with any country), but I do think it's been different this time. People had low expectations, they like the manager and what he was trying to do, and they respected the effort of a limited group of players, who were a Harry Kane finish away from probably getting to the final.


Watched the Columbia game when I was in Portugal and everyone there apart from the English wanted us to lose.

I found as people we were liked, but the football team is not.