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April 30, 2018, 12:51:01 AM
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Ross


Yes.

But his issues arenít skill.

Itís decision making etc. which are improved under pressure and experience of it.

And Iíll still stand by heís done this loan move for himself.

Which doesnít sound bad but everyone hates senior players who try to leave etc.



The more intense the league the higher the pressure and heís clearly getting the experience and at a much higher level than the championship.

Of course heís done it for himself, heís looking to make himself the best he possibly can be whether thatís with Everton, Derby of Leipzig.
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April 30, 2018, 01:11:20 AM
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https://www.bundesliga.com/en/news/Bundesliga/ademola-lookman-keeping-options-open-leipzig-everton-479886.jsp?smartformat=true%26utm_source=smartformat%26utm_medium=products%26utm_term=english%26utm_content=article


Bit worrying. Quotes Sam trying to sell him, probably because the thin skinned narcissist didnít like it that he went against his wishes and wanted to play with Werner and Keita instead of Jerome and Keogh.

April 30, 2018, 01:13:57 AM
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Juanito


I will give you time to work it out

You need time to work out that Lookman has played for England at every level so far and will continue to, is rated by clubs around Europe and is a player we need here, not come back Ďcap in handí just
because the side he played for happened to get beat today.


April 30, 2018, 01:23:26 AM
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Paddockoldie


Got to keep this kid. His potential is huge but he needs the right coach and a manager who believes in him.

April 30, 2018, 04:25:05 AM
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You need time to work out that Lookman has played for England at every level so far and will continue to, is rated by clubs around Europe and is a player we need here, not come back ‘cap in hand’ just
because the side he played for happened to get beat today.

try reading back over the thread

April 30, 2018, 06:29:42 AM
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April 30, 2018, 05:49:31 PM
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The more intense the league the higher the pressure and heís clearly getting the experience and at a much higher level than the championship.

Of course heís done it for himself, heís looking to make himself the best he possibly can be whether thatís with Everton, Derby of Leipzig.

The intensity issue is the key.

Being thrown on for cameo sub appearances, with an ďexpress yourself remitĒ etc isnít the same pressure as having responsibility for starting games where mistakes even early on in a game may cost you.

Heís been starting more games recently so thatís good.

And Iíve no problem with players looking out for themselves but lots of people do. Heís just got an easy ride because most people donít like Allardyce otherwise I think he would have been panned for going against club wishes.

April 30, 2018, 06:13:04 PM
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If Allardyce is willing to persevere with the human excitable puppy that is Bolasie, then I don't know why we wouldn't have the patience to blood and improve Lookman.

Seems utterly daft, basing it purely on cost rather than talent.
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April 30, 2018, 06:31:44 PM
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The intensity issue is the key.

Being thrown on for cameo sub appearances, with an ďexpress yourself remitĒ etc isnít the same pressure as having responsibility for starting games where mistakes even early on in a game may cost you.

Heís been starting more games recently so thatís good.

And Iíve no problem with players looking out for themselves but lots of people do. Heís just got an easy ride because most people donít like Allardyce otherwise I think he would have been panned for going against club wishes.
I've said similar before, but even if he has gone against the club's wishes, it doesn't mean that the club's decision was right for his development.

I think there's very much a progressive argument to make that sending young players abroad - and exposing them to other cultures/styles of play - is the right thing to do here. For attacking players at least, anyway.

There probably was a 'feathering his own nest' side to it as you suggest, but on our side of it, his decision's probably vindicated in that he's actually been starting some games and coming off the bench.

When you've got people like Royle/Dobson, Walsh and Allardyce making decisions on loans, you're probably only ever going to get them going to British clubs because that's what they're used to. This might make sense if you don't think they're ever going to make it at Premier League level, give them experience of the rough and tumble of the lower leagues. If they're likely to be top level players though, I'm not sure it does.
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April 30, 2018, 06:32:43 PM
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Got to keep this kid. His potential is huge but he needs the right coach and a manager who believes in him.
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April 30, 2018, 06:35:56 PM
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The intensity issue is the key.

Being thrown on for cameo sub appearances, with an ďexpress yourself remitĒ etc isnít the same pressure as having responsibility for starting games where mistakes even early on in a game may cost you.

Heís been starting more games recently so thatís good.

And Iíve no problem with players looking out for themselves but lots of people do. Heís just got an easy ride because most people donít like Allardyce otherwise I think he would have been panned for going against club wishes.

Yes, this is all true.

However, you would imagine that one of the reasons he forced a move for himself was because he didnít want to Ďworkí with Allardyce rather than any contempt he has for Everton.
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April 30, 2018, 07:05:19 PM
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I've said similar before, but even if he has gone against the club's wishes, it doesn't mean that the club's decision was right for his development.

I think there's very much a progressive argument to make that sending young players abroad - and exposing them to other cultures/styles of play - is the right thing to do here. For attacking players at least, anyway.

There probably was a 'feathering his own nest' side to it as you suggest, but on our side of it, his decision's probably vindicated in that he's actually been starting some games and coming off the bench.

When you've got people like Royle/Dobson, Walsh and Allardyce making decisions on loans, you're probably only ever going to get them going to British clubs because that's what they're used to. This might make sense if you don't think they're ever going to make it at Premier League level, give them experience of the rough and tumble of the lower leagues. If they're likely to be top level players though, I'm not sure it does.

Yes and I think that approach is enhanced if youíre going to be appointing managers from outside of the English game more often.

April 30, 2018, 07:05:39 PM
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The intensity issue is the key.

Being thrown on for cameo sub appearances, with an ďexpress yourself remitĒ etc isnít the same pressure as having responsibility for starting games where mistakes even early on in a game may cost you.

Heís been starting more games recently so thatís good.

And Iíve no problem with players looking out for themselves but lots of people do. Heís just got an easy ride because most people donít like Allardyce otherwise I think he would have been panned for going against club wishes.

Think heís been eligible for 11 games since his move, heís started 5 games and featured significantly in 4 others.

Considering the first two games came within 8 days of him landing in Germany Iíd say thatís a decent amount of football for a 20 year old lad out on loan no matter what club heís playing for.

As for the Allardyce point itís unlikely heíd have sort out a loan move if he wasnít the manager given the mismatch in skill sets he requests and the player has.   
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April 30, 2018, 07:09:21 PM
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Think heís been eligible for 11 games since his move, heís started 5 games and featured significantly in 4 others.

Considering the first two games came within 8 days of him landing in Germany Iíd say thatís a decent amount of football for a 20 year old lad out on loan no matter what club heís playing for.

As for the Allardyce point itís unlikely heíd have sort out a loan move if he wasnít the manager given the mismatch in skill sets he requests and the player has.   

Yeah I said at the time that the move should be judged on starts etc come the end of the period.

Iím far from being against players getting different experiences.

Itís just that when Iíve watched Lookman, he looks like he needs a) decision making and b) the stamina you gain from playing 90 mins every week.

That was a gamble going to Leipzig.

April 30, 2018, 07:15:03 PM
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The intensity issue is the key.

Being thrown on for cameo sub appearances, with an ďexpress yourself remitĒ etc isnít the same pressure as having responsibility for starting games where mistakes even early on in a game may cost you.

Heís been starting more games recently so thatís good.

And Iíve no problem with players looking out for themselves but lots of people do. Heís just got an easy ride because most people donít like Allardyce otherwise I think he would have been panned for going against club wishes.

He has started several games for a side chasing 4th and Champions League qualification, and his two goals have come in substitute appearances. I think the intensity is surely there -- about as real as it gets.