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June 29, 2018, 02:14:44 PM
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Toddacelli


Letís pass judgement on facts not speculation. Thereís fuck all happening at the minute other than a few bored agents and journalists looking to make a bit of news.

This.

Even when there is nothing happening they have to sell papers - so what do you suppose they do? That's when you'll see the most stories along the lines of  'going in for his old player...' or 'worked with him at...' and the most tenuous of all tenuous links - 'could link up with friend and international teammate...' which would be like linking us with any Senegalese player on the basis we already have one at the club.
    

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June 29, 2018, 02:16:31 PM
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Hawkandro


One thing is for certain, if we do lose this kid, I won't be blaming Silva or Brands. This fuck up would lie squarely on Big Sam's hairy shoulders.
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June 29, 2018, 02:19:32 PM
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Toddacelli


I'll blame them all. Sam might have fucked it but it's now the current management team's job to fix it.
    

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July 04, 2018, 07:39:37 AM
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Thomas


One thing is for certain, if we do lose this kid, I won't be blaming Silva or Brands. This fuck up would lie squarely on Big Sam's hairy shoulders.

Some of it has to be laid at some of our our fans with their  absolute philistine/almost luddite type attitude to football.

The amount of shit i heard against Lookman at Goodison last year was bang out of order whilst Tom Davies had shite games and got half the flak.

To be fair people have realised Lookman is a good player and that is a good thing but it annoys me how we pertain to appreciate quality players at Everton and its all about the 'School of Science' and playing attacking/attractive football. I know at Everton we like our players to be edgy but we still seem to have a prejudice towards players who try to play a bit such as ball playing defenders like John Stones and midfielders like Barkley and give Lookman a hard time. Your not going to be the School of Science without those players and definetly not with Tom Davies, Ashley Williams or even (both of whom i actually rate) DCL or Cenk Tosun in the team.

Ademola definetly has the potential to play in a front 3. He is a great mix of a winger and a forward and could possibly be our Raheem Sterling. Lookman and Walcott playing together is a mouth watering prospect.
« Last Edit: July 04, 2018, 07:42:48 AM by Thomas »

July 04, 2018, 07:42:29 AM
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Jamokachi


Some of it has to be laid at some of our our fans with their  absolute philistine/almost luddite type attitude to football.

I say this for your own benefit, give it a rest.

July 04, 2018, 07:42:31 AM
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Ramjam


Some big shouts there Tommy, not sure I agree with Davies any Cenk being shite
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July 04, 2018, 07:44:38 AM
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Thomas


Some big shouts there Tommy, not sure I agree with Davies any Cenk being shite

Cenk is good mate.

I just mean if Man Utd had a list of players there scouts had compiled, he'd be on the b list.

We need to do what Man City did which is (somehow) punch up into the A List. I'd love Di Maria at Everton but its not happening.

For now we need to keep and appreciate players like Lookman. The main reason he is leaving is he doesn't feel wanted/appreciated here, right?  @Jamokachi

July 04, 2018, 07:50:13 AM
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Ramjam


Iím confident the Lookman scenario will be sorted with M&M in charge, Di Maria we can all dream but heís a CL player all day. Cenk has done ok with his limited opportunities last season and Iím confident heíll kick on for us and get 15+ next season, and yes heís not top drawer but who is that would come to us atm?
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July 04, 2018, 07:51:32 AM
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Thomas


I say this for your own benefit, give it a rest.

This is probably a good natured warning, but it won't surprise you to hear I always speak my mind and I've never been afraid to air an opinion and stick to it even if its unpopular. A Karma rating of -3000 would not change my view on that. But to be constructive in response, let me ask you this then......

Many fans have complained we don't have a footballing philosophy/style/plan at the club......at least in the last few years anyway. A DNA that says how Everton teams must play from the youth academy to the first team.

Lookman should be the signing example of the type of player and football we wish to develop at Everton. I accept we also like people with an edge, and with DCL I can see a bit of both along with Tosun whilst Theo Walcott is a seasoned pro but also a player for the purist.

In short, we need a balance. I hope Lookman stays. If he does all our fans will realise what a cracker we have. Hopefully with KT playing on the same wing as him after us giving Celtic a kings ransom.
« Last Edit: July 04, 2018, 07:58:04 AM by Thomas »

July 04, 2018, 07:57:36 AM
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Thomas


Iím confident the Lookman scenario will be sorted with M&M in charge, Di Maria we can all dream but heís a CL player all day. Cenk has done ok with his limited opportunities last season and Iím confident heíll kick on for us and get 15+ next season, and yes heís not top drawer but who is that would come to us atm?

(I'm obviously just salivating here pal/all hyperbole but.......)

If Lookman leaves it makes us look crap to other promising young players. This is probably a development of the point I made to @Jamokachi  earlier who although we can disagree we can always debate and then put the ball away which is sound. Lookman didn't find it cosy here (thats how young players may see it) and couldn't develop or be coached here. It would damage the clubs reputation (a well deserved one by the way) for coaching and developing young players internally and externally.

So our stategy and footballing philosophy needs to incorporate stylish players who have an edge but also young players. As discussed Lookman is a good ecample of the first part of that and if he works on the edginess and finer points of his game he will improve. The last part of the jigsaw will be the 'Man City' moment where we sign a player that is blatantly punching above our weight before we've reached the top echelons of European football.

I hope I see the day where people like Lookman shine and are playing alongside the experienced top draw players such as the Cavani's (headed goal against Celtic and general play is out of this world), Fernandihno's (who makes Gana look ordinary) and Millik (basically a Tosun upgrade). Thats when we'll be the School of Science.

Thats my heart talking. My head says its a pipe dream but we could and should dream. We haven't won a trophy in 23 years. So the Lookman issue is not only about incorporating young promising players but also teaming them next to seriously respected top pros. Theo Walcott is a bridge towards that path.
« Last Edit: July 04, 2018, 08:00:16 AM by Thomas »

July 04, 2018, 08:02:24 AM
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Thomas


I'll blame them all. Sam might have fucked it but it's now the current management team's job to fix it.

Exactly. As previous explained, the lad should be the encapsulation of how we can nurture promising talent at Everton. If he leaves its a hammer blow into our reputation to do that and the current management team would have to shoulder some blame.

I get a lot of shit on this forum for calling things how I see it but the impression I get is Lookman does not feel valued or nurtured in an environment to develop him as a player and that is worrying.

July 04, 2018, 08:04:22 AM
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Ramjam


Agree with all that Tommy
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July 04, 2018, 08:11:25 AM
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Thomas


Agree with all that Tommy

Cheers.

But (respectfully) lets keep it at Tom,Thomas or (as Celtic/Tims call me) 'Tam'. haha

July 04, 2018, 08:13:15 AM
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Ramjam


Cheers.

But (respectfully) lets keep it at Tom,Thomas or (as Celtic/Tims call me) 'Tam'. haha
Apologies mate, will do
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July 04, 2018, 08:15:43 AM
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Thomas


Apologies mate, will do

No problem.

Anyway to continue the discussion, do you think the AL issue is simply a case that another/foreign league suits him better? Maybe he realises that.

Or does it run deeper to the points I put forward?

Is he more of a traditional winger or modern type of forward? (see Sterling/Sane at City being the most reasonable examples)