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July 04, 2018, 08:18:43 AM
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This is probably a good natured warning, but it won't surprise you to hear I always speak my mind and I've never been afraid to air an opinion and stick to it even if its unpopular.

It is good natured mate, I'm not having a pop. It's the repetitive nature of the jibe at fans liking workhorses over exciting, talented players that's going to get people's backs up. And in all honesty mate, I think it's a very outdated argument from you. I don't know how frequently you visit this site these days (not seen you around for a while), but the attitude you attribute to Evertonians certainly isn't reflective of this community.

I'll respond to the rest of your post when I'm not at work haha!


July 04, 2018, 08:25:25 AM
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Ramjam


No problem.

Anyway to continue the discussion, do you think the AL issue is simply a case that another/foreign league suits him better? Maybe he realises that.

Or does it run deeper to the points I put forward?

Is he more of a traditional winger or modern type of forward? (see Sterling/Sane at City being the most reasonable examples)
I think heíll be just fine here with game time below his belt, as you have pointed out Mane and Sterling and Sane would be good comparisons and Iíd like to think we have the coaches to bring that out of him.
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July 04, 2018, 08:27:19 AM
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Thomas I havenít seen much of you on here, can I just ask, are you an Evertonian or someone who supports another team but just likes to jump on and talk all things football?
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July 04, 2018, 08:27:33 AM
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I'll respond to the rest of your post when I'm not at work haha!


First part, fair enough. Basically, I've been focusing on my degree/life. Football took a back seat.

The other points I made I thought where thoughtful/fair. Althouh as you may be implying, how I word what comes before them makes it easy for them to be ignored.

The completely basic argument I have consistently made is if we want to be top 6 we cant accommodate certain players we like (Davies) and must keep certain players who can be seen as luxury players (Lookman) but as long as they combine the lavish and ugly side of football properly they can feel appreciated here. (People like Bolasie who cant do this I'd be the first to sell on). We need to stick to a philosophy but also make some upgrades.

Thats what I mean in the most non-antagonistic fashion I am able to present my point. If we where sitting in a pub having a discussion about Everton, thats how I'd detail everything. Like yourself, I get frustrated at anything Everton and I really just want us to win things and be able to enjoy the football we play. Some players at Everton have never been naturals but I've also adored them still such as Carsley and Cahill and Dave Watson whilst your Kanchelskis/Arteta's/Stones are the 'luxury' side to our philosophy who we did/didnt manage to accommodate for various reasons.

July 04, 2018, 08:40:53 AM
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Thomas I havenít seen much of you on here, can I just ask, are you an Evertonian or someone who supports another team but just likes to jump on and talk all things football?

Both. What I mean by that is I try look at things with my heart but also my head.

The Evertonian in me tells me I want Lookman to stay. The football observer in me tells me he doesn't feel appreciated or able to develop here or in the EPL, so will decide to play elsewhere in another league. Somewhere like Marseille playing alongside Payet I think would suit him and if I where his agent I'd be telling him that would be as attractive an option as Leipzig.

Having said that if he was that good at Leipzig then Dortmund or Bayern would want him. So its all swings and roundabouts.

Fundamentally I always try to call out bullshit as honestly as I can whenever I (feel/IMHO) see it. Some may/may not like it. Thats fine. But I love talking about football and try to do so in a non/bipartisan way.

July 04, 2018, 08:45:00 AM
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Both. What I mean by that is I try look at things with my heart but also my head.

The Evertonian in me tells me I want Lookman to stay. The football observer in me tells me he doesn't feel appreciated or able to develop here or in the EPL, so will decide to play elsewhere in another league. Somewhere like Marseille playing alongside Payet I think would suit him and if I where his agent I'd be telling him that would be as attractive an option as Leipzig.

Having said that if he was that good at Leipzig then Dortmund or Bayern would want him. So its all swings and roundabouts.

Fundamentally I always try to call out bullshit as honestly as I can whenever I (feel/IMHO) see it. Some may/may not like it. Thats fine. But I love talking about football and try to do so in a non/bipartisan way.
Cool, I think you make some valid points, keep them coming
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July 04, 2018, 08:47:23 AM
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Thomas


Cool, I think you make some valid points, keep them coming

Perhaps as @Jamokachi has implied I have fallen into the same trap Dame Barbara Cartland did of writing the same story repackaged numerous times. But I think there is some sense in there.

Anyway to get back on topic, is Lookman better on the left or the right?

July 04, 2018, 08:59:05 AM
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Left I think, seems to have the knack to cut inside onto his stronger foot and create havoc, I think thatís where RBL used him with the most threat. Need to leave that right side clear for Lozano . Tierney and Lookman bombing up and down the left and Coleman and Lozano on the right has a nice ring to it.
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July 04, 2018, 09:05:55 AM
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Left I think, seems to have the knack to cut inside onto his stronger foot and create havoc, I think thatís where RBL used him with the most threat. Need to leave that right side clear for Lozano . Tierney and Lookman bombing up and down the left and Coleman and Lozano on the right has a nice ring to it.

Not seen this Lozano, I'll check in a minute. He's getting punted about like Joao Moutinho and we all know how that disintegrated.

July 04, 2018, 02:04:32 PM
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Cenk is good mate.

I just mean if Man Utd had a list of players there scouts had compiled, he'd be on the b list.

We need to do what Man City did which is (somehow) punch up into the A List. I'd love Di Maria at Everton but its not happening.

For now we need to keep and appreciate players like Lookman. The main reason he is leaving is he doesn't feel wanted/appreciated here, right?  @Jamokachi

Goodness me, he was hardly ever on the pitch how on earth did you hear so much abuse?

Also, di maria? Lmao talk about luddites.
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July 04, 2018, 02:07:38 PM
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Goodness me, he was hardly ever on the pitch how on earth did you hear so much abuse?

Also, di maria? Lmao talk about luddites.

Shit fan you mate. Bet you booed Ross Barkley and (insert another complete shithouse assumption here) and not appreciated real football like Thomas the oracle.

July 04, 2018, 02:21:19 PM
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Ramjam


Shit fan you mate. Bet you booed Ross Barkley and (insert another complete shithouse assumption here) and not appreciated real football like Thomas the oracle.
Thomas has copped a lot of abuse on here which I think is a little unwarranted, heís clearly an educated bloke with strong views on whatís needed at Everton in order to take the club forward, not everyone has the same opinion and thatís fine as the forum is designed to get people with alternative prospectives to engage in meaningful dialogue, he shouldnít be be abused because of his beliefs. I for one donít agree with all of his opinions, for eg Tom Davies is a young player who I think needs more chances working with a more productive coach before binning him off to West Ham, but Thomas is no mug and shouldnít be treated as one.
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July 04, 2018, 02:52:35 PM
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Some of it has to be laid at some of our our fans with their  absolute philistine/almost luddite type attitude to football.

The amount of shit i heard against Lookman at Goodison last year was bang out of order whilst Tom Davies had shite games and got half the flak.

To be fair people have realised Lookman is a good player and that is a good thing but it annoys me how we pertain to appreciate quality players at Everton and its all about the 'School of Science' and playing attacking/attractive football. I know at Everton we like our players to be edgy but we still seem to have a prejudice towards players who try to play a bit such as ball playing defenders like John Stones and midfielders like Barkley and give Lookman a hard time. Your not going to be the School of Science without those players and definetly not with Tom Davies, Ashley Williams or even (both of whom i actually rate) DCL or Cenk Tosun in the team.

Ademola definetly has the potential to play in a front 3. He is a great mix of a winger and a forward and could possibly be our Raheem Sterling. Lookman and Walcott playing together is a mouth watering prospect.

Mate, Tom Davies couldnít complete a simple five yard pass without getting the moans and groans.

And I hardly recall lookman even getting games at Goodison last season so youíre just making this up.
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July 04, 2018, 03:57:40 PM
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Thomas has copped a lot of abuse on here which I think is a little unwarranted, heís clearly an educated bloke with strong views on whatís needed at Everton in order to take the club forward, not everyone has the same opinion and thatís fine as the forum is designed to get people with alternative prospectives to engage in meaningful dialogue, he shouldnít be be abused because of his beliefs. I for one donít agree with all of his opinions, for eg Tom Davies is a young player who I think needs more chances working with a more productive coach before binning him off to West Ham, but Thomas is no mug and shouldnít be treated as one.

Nah mate heís just a piece of work with his lack of communications skills only on par with his lack of manners forced on him as a child. He speaks to people like theyíre pieces of shit and heís not arsed, so they take the piss out of him and he reports them.

I also think what you and I deem as educated are poles apart.

July 04, 2018, 07:55:29 PM
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Thomas


Nah mate he's just a piece of work with his lack of communications skills only on par with his lack of manners forced on him as a child. He speaks to people like they're pieces of shit and he's not arsed, so they take the piss out of him and he reports them.

I also think what you and I deem as educated are poles apart.
That's ironic. You act like a complete smug self righteous dickhead on here most of the time who cant handel controversial opinions and speak to me shocking with a disableist anti mental health type tone.

You then have the actual gall to question my parents/manners. Both my jobs are working with the public so they are fine thanks.

The fact is you wont engage with anyone who disagrees with you on any issue and your a complete fucking bully.

Now unless you want to discuss Everton/Lookman or consider that mayve you might be out of order....ignore me. You "piece of work". Disableist idiot.