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January 17, 2018, 02:12:16 PM
Reply #15

Mick 1995

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He comes in last summer and Koeman is still in a job i reckon.

January 17, 2018, 03:59:44 PM
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Mick 1995

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He doesn’t NOT improve us, and i expect Lennon, Niasse, Sandro 🙁, and Klaassen 🙁 to go shortly.

I think it's hard to argue that he will be anything other than the best player in our squad.

Any of them 4 going wouldn't be noticed. But i'd keep hold of Klaassen of at all possible. In the right system i think he could be a top player. Especially in cups or Europe (if we ever make it back into it)

Allardyce mentioned it was one-out, one-in after Tosun and that he wanted to trim the squad. Mirallas out, Walcott in. Niasse/Lennon/Sandro out and a left back in would do me fine.
In fact, i'd think it was a really productive window.

January 17, 2018, 05:18:15 PM
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Mick 1995

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Despite everyone saying this is the worse squad we have ever had I am just not having that on paper we have some excellent players and some very promising youngsters . If only we had the right Manager for long term development .

Think there is a semantics issue there. When i see people like you saying stuff like this:
There is a good player in there but I thought that about Schneiderlin , Sigurdsson , Klassen , Sandro , Vlasic , Lookman ....................... we are just not delivering as a team and don't seem to be able to get anywhere near finishing the jigsaw .

Then it's easy to assume it means people think our squad is shit.
But all of those players *are* really good. Every one of them is a really bright talent.

But any questions as to why they are not playing well has to lead towards the managers and that get's shot down as being wrong.

January 17, 2018, 05:26:21 PM
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Mick 1995

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yeah, i don't buy the "worst squad in ages" thinking.

I do buy the "worst footballing philosophy in ages" though

January 17, 2018, 08:37:05 PM
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Mick 1995

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One of the slowest back fours in the prem due to injuries and bad planning
Coleman, Keane, Jags/Williams, Baines is not even close to the worst back 4 we have had in living memory.
We've had to play tony Hibbert as centre half before today.

Only two left footed players in the squad both dreadfully injured

Outside of the left back position i'm not having that as some kind of marker to be honest

No recognised left back in the squad despite Baines age and injuries and form
I'm sure i remember a time when both Pistone and Naysmith were injured.

3 of our backline are now 30+ And it is showing badly in injuries and form

more than 3 of our defenders are less than 30. Gough, Weir and Stubbs were all over 30 at the same time.

Worst striking options in the Prem bar none up until last week.
As an Evertonian, dont dare come at me with a stat like this? You genuinely think this is the worst attacking line up we've fielded?
Do you remember Steve Watson playing up front? (granted, he scored a hattrick like. But fuck me)

Glaring gaps in midfield, both defensive and attacking abilities
Defensively? You mean like Gueye who people were rating as a second tier Kante 18 months ago? Schneiderlin who was our best player when he came in?
Offensively? You mean like our record signing who tore up trees in the prem for years and a clutch of really bright kids?

Relying on teenagers week in week out
"you win nothing with kids"

Back up goalies absolutely shite

good job backup keepers are only needed every few years. There have been looong periods where our first choice kepper has been absolutely shite.

Distinct lack of chance creators from open play and it is showing.
I think you're conflating my two actual points here.

I mean, we’ve had SOME of these problems before, but never all at once.
No, we've had them all and worse at times.

We still have a squad much, much stronger than at nearly any point in the premier league. (because squads as an entity didn't exist before that then you could say it's amongst the best ever).

OK, the team itself has been a bit lopsided. but you've definitely fell into the trap of thinking shit performance/tactics equals shit players.

January 17, 2018, 08:55:18 PM
Reply #20

Mick 1995

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I dont think 15-20 years is ages.
I don't think this is the worst squad we have had either side of that time period.
I think you are confusing managers initiating shit football with players being shit.

There is not a squad in world football that would do well if they took to the field with the instructions these guys seem to be getting given.
It was criminal not to bring a striker in during the summer yeah. The left back position needs sorting out as well.
but those things do not make this a bad squad.

January 17, 2018, 09:16:15 PM
Reply #21

Mick 1995

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Totally agree that tactically we are a mess, but have to agree to disagree re:squad quality over 15 years. That’s a long time to go back to say ‘Ey we were worse then?’ Madness to me that.

it all depends on the word ages though doesn't it?

I said it's not the worst squad we've had in ages. I stand by that.
It just seems we differ as to what an age is  :thumbsup:

January 17, 2018, 09:54:30 PM
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Mick 1995

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