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January 14, 2018, 03:42:37 AM
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January 14, 2018, 04:03:46 AM
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Pointing at others is the first way to distract from your own shortcomings

January 14, 2018, 04:19:55 AM
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Wish we could go back to the days when we were playing good stuff and winning all the time.  Y'know - wasn't long ago was it?  Oh wait a minute let's blame someone who's been here a month. 

I hope he stays.
I hope he bores the fuck out of everyone.
I hope you lads absolutely hate it.

Be great for the club moving into a new stadium and failing to sell tickets wouldn't it?

Not like the business model depends on selling a certain amount of tickets each season is it?

Those of us who have been commenting on Everton for a number of years know that when the football is good, ticket sales are higher than when it's not.

Imagine if Allardyce made our stadium completely unfeasible.

Bet you'd love that as well.


January 14, 2018, 04:24:49 AM
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If it rooted out the wimps and cry baby fans then yeah I'd be all for it.

Hahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

Fucking hell!!

Hahahahahahahahahahaha!

Get on you!

Hahahahahahahahahahaha ha!

January 14, 2018, 04:42:03 AM
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We're not a big club any more Si.

So turning fans off from paying to go the game is an even worse idea then isn't it

Being a big club has nothing to do with entertaining the fans

January 14, 2018, 05:31:10 AM
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Nailed it. It's that sense of entitlement which is the problem. And that is in the context of what had gone before. If this was 1991 then I'd understand it. But this is the equivalent of a toddler having a tantrum. "Entertain me!".

If he feels we need to be pragmatic then so be it. We didn't actually sit back that deep today. The main problem was that spurs were significantly better in personnel in every single position on the field. But you would rather spin it as Allardyce being typical Allardyce seeing us up to fail etc etc.

 It's not entitlement. It's fact. I'm quite happy going the match and talking to my mates about work or shouting abuse at the away fans. The football doesn't need to entertain me personally, but it does need to entertain supporters as a whole in order to remain financially viable

Whether you like that or not, football clubs need to keep selling tickets and the majority of supporters need to be entertained to keep buying them

If that makes those fans "wimps" then tough shit, because it's those "wimps" who subsidise your ticket by actually going the game with you


January 14, 2018, 07:42:22 PM
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When I said "wimps", I was attacking the prevailing mentality of fans who give up the moment things aren't going well. That's the time when you need to stick together. I think it was Brownie's analogy (or maybe not) about who you'd want next to you 'in the trenches' as the old saying goes. Some people are so feeble.

We've lost some football games and aren't playing very well.  Most teams don't play good football. Most teams don't win. I want us to do both. Of course I do. But how you can pin that on a manager who's only been here a month and has only bought one player is ridiculous.

You're big on fan engagement. So should the fans be engaged on every managerial appointment until we are all happy?  Because that's the problem here. Most people didn't want Allardyce. That was me too but the way. Some of us have got over it and realise that it's important to pull together and show some patience. Others keep banging on about every week (every day actually) with no actual aim other than just to moan and agree with others that think like them.

I think when the opinion is so loud then it has to be listened to, the same as when the fanbase has wanted a manager sacked

I'm not sure if I've ever posted this on a public forum, but here goes....

The week before Martinez's last derby game in charge of us, two weeks before the semi final at Wembley, I met with a very senior executive at Everton for tea.  Naturally there weer many subjects talked about, but the main one was Roberto's future.  "Listen Simon, he's a very nice man and everyone at the club has total faith in him" was what I was told at the start of the conversation.  I went on to say that I too thought Roberto was a very nice man, and that I hoped it would work, but that if we lost both the derby and the semi final, then there would be no way the fans would allow him to carry on as manager.  This person was totally shocked by this statement.  He - and I believe most people at board level - had no idea the fans felt so strongly.  TWO WEEKS before they sacked him.

I'm not claiming any kind of credit and definitely not any kind of responsibility, but up until that point, the board had absolutely no idea that the fans felt things were so bad with Martinez.  They had no idea themselves that things were so bad.  They had no plans to sack him, and clearly no plans on who to replace him with.

Then they sacked him and Moshiri chased Koeman all over Hampshire.

I don't have the same working relationship with the club as I did, and I partly blame that on Koeman and the way he wanted the club run, but also on Moshiri, and finally on myself for being a bit lazy.

But I do believe that the club needs to listen to fans when public opinion is so strong. 

I've not met anyone in person who wanted Allardyce.  Plenty are pragmatic after the event and agree that we needed someone to sort us out - but my main gripe there is that it got so bad before it was acted upon.  It was - again - the fans who forced this action to sack Koeman.  But again there was absolutely no plan to replace him.

Moshiri claims all the credit for everything now, and he must take responsibility for this.  He had no intentions of sacking Koeman until it got so bad the fans forced it.  He had no plans to replace him so left Unsworth in charge with players knowing he was never going to be their boss full time, so the shit-house ones downed tools and hung him out to dry.  Then he is rejected by Allardyce but says he has another manager in line, but Watford said no publicly and Burnley told us to wait until the end of the season privately.

So he goes back to Allardyce cap in hand and agrees to everything he wants.

Moshiri didn't appoint Martinez so we can't land him with that one, but he did fail to put plans in place for when he was sacked - but he got lucky in that the season was basically done anyway.  If he'd been sacked earlier plenty were saying we'd have beaten United at Wembley and then had a good shot at a trophy.  But he was kept too long for that - by Moshiri.

Moshiri then got his man in Koeman, but again seemed to never believe he would sack him before eventually doing so without a plan when it was very nearly too late.  But in the process dented the confidence of a promising young coach by giving him an impossible job.

Sean Dyche was the man we needed both short and long term.  Instead we got the older, less adventurous version.

And Sammy Lee.

January 14, 2018, 08:54:40 PM
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Fair enough. Playing Sigurdsson and Rooney together was a mistake. Vlasic would have been better getting back to cover Cuco.  The real underlying blame lies with terrible recruitment, especially the likes of Sandro and Klassen who do not feature at all, the demise of Baines and the long term loss of Coleman. We will stay up.

We are Everton. Staying up should be a given.

The fact that it's seen as a positive shows how far we have been dragged down. Then the fact that people aren't sure if you and therealdunc are WUMs or not when you blindly stick by Allardyce (no real human actually thinks the things you two type) shows that Everton have been dragged down even more than in the darkest days of having to sell Nick Chadwick to pay for a new pitch mid season and not being sure we could afford to pay the players on FA Cup weekend unless Blackburn brought a load of fans


January 14, 2018, 09:19:21 PM
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I've genuinely considered the realdunc as a potential club plant

Doesn't fit the MO of a club plant. Maybe Sam's wife though?

January 14, 2018, 09:22:46 PM
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The agenda police Newest recruit.

We haven't recruited since 2006?

Sorry 2005 Bally joined our gang
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January 14, 2018, 09:25:40 PM
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Haha no the people who think Sam is the second coming ...and to think otherwise is some sort of agenda ....them police.

Ohhhhh

Sorry. Trying to multitask and failing.

January 14, 2018, 09:30:08 PM
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Why are we even surprised by this shite. He's played shite football for decades.

Some are. Most aren't. Those who are seem to be the ones shouting loud.

January 14, 2018, 11:36:22 PM
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The most snide false ,fake bullshit Everton news headline ever, whoever wrote that title is a fucking tosser, how low can you fucking go? probably more left in the tank..how old are you 10?

Getting splinters up there la

January 14, 2018, 11:54:33 PM
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Well for fucks sake, how can he be blamed for owt?

He's the manager. The blame stops with him.

Incidentally, when he took over we were five points above the relegation zone. We are seven above it now.

Not exactly the resurgence you speak of so eloquently.