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April 16, 2018, 04:42:02 AM
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the scoreline I hate the most is 1-1 with our goal being an own goal.

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April 16, 2018, 04:58:18 AM
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the scoreline I hate the most is 1-1 with our goal being an own goal.



The grim thing is, I hate any scoreline in a match that is presided over by Sam Allardyce.

I was feeling the same about Koeman a couple of matches into the season, as well.

Itís inexplicable to me that now we finally have a rich owner, he installs two managers in succession that give Walter Smith a run for his money in the shit, joyless football stakes.
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April 16, 2018, 05:23:33 AM
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The grim thing is, I hate any scoreline in a match that is presided over by Sam Allardyce.

I was feeling the same about Koeman a couple of matches into the season, as well.

Itís inexplicable to me that now we finally have a rich owner, he installs two managers in succession that give Walter Smith a run for his money in the shit, joyless football stakes.

Think you can add Martinez to the list too. Was painful watching the last 2 seasons under him as well.
3 inept managers that have cost us about 40m in payoffs


April 16, 2018, 05:28:38 AM
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Think in reality we all feel a bit defeated by the whole monkey fucking a football shitshow  If a season , it's gonna take time for our board of knuckle draggers to get things right ....

But we are Everton and ever the optomists.
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April 16, 2018, 06:18:09 AM
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Think you can add Martinez to the list too. Was painful watching the last 2 seasons under him as well.
3 inept managers that have cost us about 40m in payoffs

Yes, without a doubt.

And it was a complete fallacy that we were good going forward under Martinez but leaky at the back.

We were slow, sideways, blunt, unfit, and painful to watch after the honeymoon was over.

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April 16, 2018, 01:18:48 PM
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Yes, without a doubt.

And it was a complete fallacy that we were good going forward under Martinez but leaky at the back.

We were slow, sideways, blunt, unfit, and painful to watch after the honeymoon was over.

He was shit.

But that first season he was here was the last time any of us really felt anything, ya know? It was fun.


April 16, 2018, 01:52:16 PM
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What will always stick in my mind was how much our football changed from moyes style to Martinez style in that first season. Just showed the influence a manager can have on the same players.
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April 16, 2018, 02:40:14 PM
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Hang on lads, nothing we have seen in the last 4 years has got anywhere near the days of Smith. To suggest otherwise at the end of criticism of the last few years borders on bathos territory.

April 16, 2018, 02:45:33 PM
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Hang on lads, nothing we have seen in the last 4 years has got anywhere near the days of Smith. To suggest otherwise at the end of criticism of the last few years borders on bathos territory.

Still gives me nightmares

April 16, 2018, 03:22:53 PM
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Short memories
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April 16, 2018, 03:34:10 PM
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Hang on lads, nothing we have seen in the last 4 years has got anywhere near the days of Smith. To suggest otherwise at the end of criticism of the last few years borders on bathos territory.

Not the end result, but the lack of style and entertainment.

Under Koeman and Allardyce it has reminded of Smithís tactics but with better players and, luckily, in a much poorer league.
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April 16, 2018, 03:48:15 PM
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Not the end result, but the lack of style and entertainment.

Under Koeman and Allardyce it has reminded of Smithís tactics but with better players and, luckily, in a much poorer league.

I remember centre halfs in midfield and right-backs up front during the Smith days.
Literally a team of defenders.
But ones who could barely defend either.

I have zero problem with defensive football. It's 50% of the game and i hate it that people demand free-flowing football from every team.
As a club we have rarely strayed from the grizzled, determined, tough image. Henry's words recently (although defending his current boss) were right, most players have fucking hated coming to Goodison, not because they were outpassed and made to run around like fools. But because the team and the fans fucking fought like rabid dogs for everything.

And thats what pisses me off about the current regime. I can take giving a team 80% possession. I can deal with having 1 or 2 shots on target if they become the winning goals
I'd take Allardyces Bolton with our current funds to add better players to play the same roles.

But this fucking wettness across the park infuriates me.
But they were that soft under Smith. And they played worse football. And they utilised worse tactics.
But they weren't always worse players (Bilic, Collins, Matterazi, Dacourt, Barmby, Bakayoko were all very good players)

April 16, 2018, 03:59:06 PM
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Much of a muchness really.

The feeling towards the manager and squad of players is as bad as it ever was under Walter smith.


April 16, 2018, 04:00:38 PM
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I remember centre halfs in midfield and right-backs up front during the Smith days.
Literally a team of defenders.
But ones who could barely defend either.

I have zero problem with defensive football. It's 50% of the game and i hate it that people demand free-flowing football from every team.
As a club we have rarely strayed from the grizzled, determined, tough image. Henry's words recently (although defending his current boss) were right, most players have fucking hated coming to Goodison, not because they were outpassed and made to run around like fools. But because the team and the fans fucking fought like rabid dogs for everything.

And thats what pisses me off about the current regime. I can take giving a team 80% possession. I can deal with having 1 or 2 shots on target if they become the winning goals
I'd take Allardyces Bolton with our current funds to add better players to play the same roles.

But this fucking wettness across the park infuriates me.
But they were that soft under Smith. And they played worse football. And they utilised worse tactics.
But they weren't always worse players (Bilic, Collins, Matterazi, Dacourt, Barmby, Bakayoko were all very good players)

Yes, it was truly grim.

Out of those players mentioned only Dacourt played well, though.

At least during the Koeman (this season) and Allardyce period weíve had Rooney, Gana, Coleman, Pickford, Sigurdsson, Walcott, and Tosun stepping up at various times and dragging us onwards.

And, like I said, fortunately the overall standard in the league has been incredibly poor this season.
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April 16, 2018, 06:35:20 PM
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Yes, without a doubt.

And it was a complete fallacy that we were good going forward under Martinez but leaky at the back.

We were slow, sideways, blunt, unfit, and painful to watch after the honeymoon was over.



Without turning this into another anti Martinez thread I think itís worth pointing out for balance that we scored about 170 league goals during his time here as manager. Bettered only by about 4/5 other clubs during that period Sam with infinitely more resources than us as well.
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