Bid rejected for Lookman

[KoemansNumberTens]

He means that it wasn’t a good idea to loan him to a decent team.

If Lookman had gone to derby it’s very unlikely that he’d be angling for a move there this summer.

I said this at the time that Lookman insisting on a move there was being selfish - understandable as it’s a good place to play - but it was done with not being here in mind.

A symptom of how miserable most of the last few years have been is that nearly everyone is blaming all parties bar the player, whereas normally it’s the other way round.

Exactly. A player we want to keep looking like pushing his way out on the cheap and everyone thinks he’s the 1 that’s been wronged

[burkey17]

A minor thigh injury the ‘Echo’ !
has said is the reason Lookman has not travelled. Walcott (ankle) and Bolasie (stomach bug) and Martina (stomach bug) have not travelled as well

[Confucius]

I don't  think Lookman is all that and if we can get a good fee we should let him go. His shoting is terrible, crossing horrible. has some pace and skill but not sure he knows what to do with it.  Sure he is young and has potential. But sometimes 20M isn't to be sniffed at. look at the potential Rodwell and Barkley had.

[Toffee Tuesdays]

I don't  think Lookman is all that and if we can get a good fee we should let him go. His shoting is terrible, crossing horrible. has some pace and skill but not sure he knows what to do with it.  Sure he is young and has potential. But sometimes 20M isn't to be sniffed at. look at the potential Rodwell and Barkley had.

I wonder what will happen with Barkley's career.  Back to us in a few years? Slowly slide down the table?

[Bluedylan]

This would be a terrible mistake but then I still think he’s staying from Silva’s comments.

[brap2]

He means that it wasn’t a good idea to loan him to a decent team.

If Lookman had gone to derby it’s very unlikely that he’d be angling for a move there this summer.

I said this at the time that Lookman insisting on a move there was being selfish - understandable as it’s a good place to play - but it was done with not being here in mind.

A symptom of how miserable most of the last few years have been is that nearly everyone is blaming all parties bar the player, whereas normally it’s the other way round.

Can only speak for myself but I’ve often (not always - lukaku) been able to convince myself that we had a reason for them to stay - squad or coming top 5/6/7 - essentially I’ve felt we’ve been in fairly positive positions and like most football fans I’ve ‘believed in the project’ - we’re on the cusp of that again I hope but we haven’t quite done enough and I’ve been so brow beaten over the last few years that instead of feeling betrayed by the player I feel let down by the club?

Wouldn’t be surprised if this is what others are feeling.

[howard1334]

He means that it wasn’t a good idea to loan him to a decent team.

If Lookman had gone to derby it’s very unlikely that he’d be angling for a move there this summer.

I said this at the time that Lookman insisting on a move there was being selfish - understandable as it’s a good place to play - but it was done with not being here in mind.

A symptom of how miserable most of the last few years have been is that nearly everyone is blaming all parties bar the player, whereas normally it’s the other way round.

What was stupid was loaning him out at all. Not loaning him to Leipzig. If we had kept and played him last season, then he would not be looking to leave now. And I seriously doubt that sending him to Derby would have improved the situation. No way that Lookman would have been happy going there -- he knew he was above that level, which he certainly proved at RB Leipzig.

Let's stop putting the fucking blame on Lookman, when he was just trying to make the best out of a shitty situation that was not of his own creation. It's seriously ridiculous. The blame rests, rather, with Allardyce, Walsh, and the rest of management. And, similarly, it will be management's fault this summer -- not Lookman's -- if we end up selling him when we don't need to.

People are acting like Lookman has kicked up some big, public fuss in the media, which is simply not the case. He has been professional about this whole situation from the get go -- erring his (exceedingly reasonable) concerns in private, as professionals should. It's Allardyce and Leipzig's management that have made shit public.

[Escla]

If lookman is sold for 20m and we buy richarlison for 40m I propose a group self harming session outside Goodison.

You just go ahead son, we will all be right behind you !


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[GLewis]

What was stupid was loaning him out at all. Not loaning him to Leipzig. If we had kept him last season and played him, then he would not be looking to leave now. And I doubt sending him to Derby would have improved the situation. No way that Lookman would have been happy going there -- he knew he was above that level, which he certainly proved at RB Leipzig.

Let's stop putting the fucking blame on Lookman, when he was just trying to make the best out of a shitty situation that was not of his own creation. It's seriously ridiculous. The blame rests, rather, with Allardyce, Walsh, and the rest of management. And it will be management's fault this summer if we end up selling him when we don't need to.

So one manager, who’s not here nor the DoF, loaned him out and that’s it?

He’s a young player who up until the last few games of his loan spell, where he did very well, hadnt done that much.

He at least shares a very big chunk of the blame if he’s insisting on leaving now.

[Escla]

If we’re going to pay 50 for richarlison then yeah 40 is a good place to start

Where do you get that info from About paying 50m for Richarlison from ? Moshiri, Kenwright ? Silva ?
or some hack on the MIRROR ?

[GLewis]

Can only speak for myself but I’ve often (not always - lukaku) been able to convince myself that we had a reason for them to stay - squad or coming top 5/6/7 - essentially I’ve felt we’ve been in fairly positive positions and like most football fans I’ve ‘believed in the project’ - we’re on the cusp of that again I hope but we haven’t quite done enough and I’ve been so brow beaten over the last few years that instead of feeling betrayed by the player I feel let down by the club?

Wouldn’t be surprised if this is what others are feeling.

Yes that’s what I mean.

Don’t think it’s commensurate though as he’s barely done anything for us (unlike most other players who got slated).

[howard1334]

So one manager, who’s not here nor the DoF, loaned him out and that’s it?

He’s a young player who up until the last few games of his loan spell, where he did very well, hadnt done that much.

He at least shares a very big chunk of the blame if he’s insisting on leaving now.

See my edited post above, which responds in part to this.

I'd also note that if I were Lookman, I would want to play for RB Leipzig over us too. It's on our management to convince him he should *want* to stay. As long as Lookman does not take shit public or refuse to train, then I have no problem with his behavior whatsoever.

[Bluedylan]

So one manager, who’s not here nor the DoF, loaned him out and that’s it?

He’s a young player who up until the last few games of his loan spell, where he did very well, hadnt done that much.

He at least shares a very big chunk of the blame if he’s insisting on leaving now.

D’you not think there’s an element of him being a young kid, away from home, we had three managers, including an anti-football presence and we messed him about and mishandled him a bit?

Just think if the situation was better managed by the club, it would never have got to this stage.

[Toffee Tuesdays]

So we'll need to sign another winger if he goes or we'll stick with Mirallas and Bolasie as the backups?

[GLewis]

D’you not think there’s an element of him being a young kid, away from home, we had three managers, including an anti-football presence and we messed him about and mishandled him a bit?

Just think if the situation was better managed by the club, it would never have got to this stage.

A bit but everyone has gone.

He got moaned at by Allardyce after he had pushed through the move to Leipzig so he’d already decided he wanted that move.

Did say I can see why he’d go there - but I can also see why all players who have left us over the years did so.

More like, as @brap2 comment that it’s other factors that have people moaning at the club, rather than the player.