Most trophies won as league champions - where we stand

[GLewis]

We slip down when all trophies are considered.

Only when Mickey Mouse cups are included

[GLewis]

I'd kill for a Mickey Mouse cup.

Yes but until that point we shouldn’t count them...

[GLewis]

Do you lot consider charity shields as trophies?

Obviously it's not considered a major trophy but you still have to qualify to play in it by either winning the league or the FA cup and then play a team over 90 mins for a prize.

For me it should be considered.

The reason I say this is because when I see these trophy tables it shows us having won 15 major honours, which is correct, 9 titles, 5 FA cups and the cup winners cup.

But we have won 9 charity shields which should see us on 24 really

Just wondered if others counted charity shields or not.

People didn’t used to, on the whole.

But it is often counted abroad (I think for the reasons you mention, ie you’ve generally won something to get there, so it is an achievement) and managers such as Houllier etc started counting it.

[GLewis]

League titles still more impressive than league cups or whatever.

[GLewis]

Villa though!

Think Villa have only 1 league and 1 FA cup post ww2.

EC as well obviously but as with everyone bar us, they’ve a handful of league cups.