David Moyes

[777Kidnappings]

How are we in a worse state now that this time last year?

And how isn’t it a realistic target for next season when we are three points off European football going into the last game?

Should be the bare minimum expectation for us these days.

Because we ended last season with a team going at a rate of 60pts per season. We end this season with a team going at about 50 and with poor form.

We ended last season able to attract better players. We end this 1 with a reputation of signing players the manager wont use

Beyond us though. Ill be staggered if forest, spurs, Liverpool, newcastle and chelsea dont all improve. I dont think top 8 is realistic, not without an amazing window.

[brap2]

Europe next season.

Bare minimum, no excuses.

Half the country is qualifying for Europe these days.

Say the target is Europe next season, and he manages it with Tark Keane myko Gana Bowen soucek wan bissaka.

Is that a good season for Everton?

[TheRam]

Because we ended last season with a team going at a rate of 60pts per season. We end this season with a team going at about 50 and with poor form.

We ended last season able to attract better players. We end this 1 with a reputation of signing players the manager wont use

Beyond us though. Ill be staggered if forest, spurs, Liverpool, newcastle and chelsea dont all improve. I dont think top 8 is realistic, not without an amazing window.

8th place.

It’s realistic for 80% of the league.

We’re not talking 4th here.

We should have comfortably finished 8th this season and it’s taken a complete collapse for us not to.

[TheRam]

Say the target is Europe next season, and he manages it with Tark Keane myko Gana Bowen soucek wan bissaka.

Is that a good season for Everton?

We’re not signing three players from West Ham are we though.

I get the general point, and I’d say no, but I also have no time for the opposite which is not finishing in Europe because we’re bedding in young players.

Just be good. Get there with good players. It’s not difficult.

It’s as easy as ever to get into Europe and to win European competitions than it’s ever been.

[superpull]

Say the target is Europe next season, and he manages it with Tark Keane myko Gana Bowen soucek wan bissaka.

Is that a good season for Everton?

I mean. Yes?

I definitely feel a disconnect with a lot in here. I am absolutely a Utilitarian amongst Kantians i think.

Could not give a solitary fuck about the how. Its the winning.
"boring, boring Arsenal"/"1 nil, to the Arsenal" from 30 years ago (and today, come to think of it).
Mourinho's Chelsea that managed to do little but defend and still won everything.

Now, don't get me wrong, you want to talk about sustainment and law-of-averages then i'm all ears.

But qualifying for Europe with unfashionable players? Don't threaten me with a good time.

[777Kidnappings]

8th place.

It’s realistic for 80% of the league.

We’re not talking 4th here.

We should have comfortably finished 8th this season and it’s taken a complete collapse for us not to.

Im not suggesting its impossible but its far from par.

[777Kidnappings]

I mean. Yes?

I definitely feel a disconnect with a lot in here. I am absolutely a Utilitarian amongst Kantians i think.

Could not give a solitary fuck about the how. Its the winning.
"boring, boring Arsenal"/"1 nil, to the Arsenal" from 30 years ago (and today, come to think of it).
Mourinho's Chelsea that managed to do little but defend and still won everything.

Now, don't get me wrong, you want to talk about sustainment and law-of-averages then i'm all ears.

But qualifying for Europe with unfashionable players? Don't threaten me with a good time.

Yeah first and foremost I just want to win. I think our problem is we are currently neither winning nor building

[brap2]

We’re not signing three players from West Ham are we though.

I get the general point, and I’d say no, but I also have no time for the opposite which is not finishing in Europe because we’re bedding in young players.

Just be good. Get there with good players. It’s not difficult.

It’s as easy as ever to get into Europe and to win European competitions than it’s ever been.

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Say the target is Europe next season, and he manages it with Tark Keane myko Gana Bowen soucek wan bissaka.

Is that a good season for Everton?

I mean. Yes?

I definitely feel a disconnect with a lot in here. I am absolutely a Utilitarian amongst Kantians i think.

Could not give a solitary fuck about the how. Its the winning.
"boring, boring Arsenal"/"1 nil, to the Arsenal" from 30 years ago (and today, come to think of it).
Mourinho's Chelsea that managed to do little but defend and still won everything.

Now, don't get me wrong, you want to talk about sustainment and law-of-averages then i'm all ears.

But qualifying for Europe with unfashionable players? Don't threaten me with a good time.
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Yeah replace those players with whoever as long as they are extensions of the theme that I am assuming as fact - Moyes will favour proven and lean older.

Of the players he’s given >2k minutes to, average age is >29.

Of players he’s given >1k minutes to, average age is 28.

Of new signings he’s played >1k, 27.

That’s fine. Not saying I wouldn’t celebrate if we did but I think ultimately, fine. It’s short term > long term in my opinion and it leads to only one thing but what can I say.

*you can do well AND build for the future, that is possible. But it definitely isn’t if you never try.

Carlo might be available after the World Cup, we could ask the question if Moyes is struggling come jan.

[Cods]

Genuine question, who has Pep bought, and who has he brought through? Arsenal? Like really developed, who weren't near the finished article, with an eye on first team as priority rather than developing for balancing the books?

If there are more than one or two I'd be surprised.

They can spend and largely get what they want, and we probably can't, we're at the point where we've still got to take 20-30m gambles on definitely-far-from finished articles.

Everything costs more for teams like us who aren't run extremely well and start with the letter B.

[brap2]

Genuine question, who has Pep bought, and who has he brought through? Arsenal? Like really developed, who weren't near the finished article, with an eye on first team as priority rather than developing for balancing the books?

If there are more than one or two I'd be surprised.

They can spend and largely get what they want, and we probably can't, we're at the point where we've still got to take 20-30m gambles on definitely-far-from finished articles.

Everything costs more for teams like us who aren't run extremely well and start with the letter B.

Struggling to understand your point here sorry. What does this mean?

[UnsyisaRhino]

Yeah first and foremost I just want to win. I think our problem is we are currently neither winning nor building

Agree with this. Moyes did said multiple times that while there was something to play for, he'd make selections that he thought would get us the result and wasn't worried about game time for those outside of that. That's great if we win and achieve that target finishing position, but if we don't then it's failure on both fronts.

[UnsyisaRhino]

Genuine question, who has Pep bought, and who has he brought through? Arsenal? Like really developed, who weren't near the finished article, with an eye on first team as priority rather than developing for balancing the books?

If there are more than one or two I'd be surprised.

They can spend and largely get what they want, and we probably can't, we're at the point where we've still got to take 20-30m gambles on definitely-far-from finished articles.

Everything costs more for teams like us who aren't run extremely well and start with the letter B.

The other teams around us seem to be better at making that type of signing, that's my worry. Still doesn't feel like we have a plan yet.

[Shogun]

The difference is that clubs like Arsenal and Chelsea can afford to lose millions on aging players and just winning because even if they fail then PSR doesn't affect them. The fact Arsenals record sale remains Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain says it all.

[777Kidnappings]

The other teams around us seem to be better at making that type of signing, that's my worry. Still doesn't feel like we have a plan yet.

I think our plan is young players with sell on value. It feels a bit like when martinez had a plan to house everyone within the training facility or play Baines in midfield or just keep the ball so we didnt have to defend or even just the flying car

It sounds good until someone actually has to make it work. What we actually signed imo were players that neither had the potential to be worth the risk and had little to no resemblance to what our team actually needed.

I dont think our transfer committee had any idea what they were doing beyond let's just sign young players like Brighton and Bournemouth have

[Indiantoffee75]

I can't see us achieving a european place next season.

Hand on heart do you really think this club is going to have most of it's transfer business (4/5 first teamers brought in) done by pre season? No chance.

For a start they only start bringing in players in first week July, even then you start going through the next level of players when you've been turned down by your primary and secondary targets.