David Moyes

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Should Moyes be Everton manager next season?

Poll runs till Sat Jul 18, 2026 10:13 am

Yes
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No
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Unsure
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Total votes: 56

777Kidnappings
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Kerryblueboy wrote: Thu May 21, 2026 12:39 pm You don’t think he wanted a winger costing most of his budget come on he wanted him just looked at him in training and couldn’t fit him into his system/tactics like I said elsewhere irola or emery would develop him moyes just can’t do that
No i dont think he wanted to spend 40m on a winger who wouldn't get in our first xi. Never mind 1 with such limited experience. Not suggesting others wouldn't do better with dibling.

I think the fact that the committee and moyes dont allign is a good reason to get rid of 1 almost regardless of results. Id actually happily lose both because we absolutely should be developing young players but I think most of what we signed wasn't right
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Also be careful what we wish for... now we are financially better would taking a risk be that bad. No one wants to see us go down but what have we got for constant participation in the premier league?? How many sides who've only spent a few years of that time in the top flight have now left us behind

Be careful by all means but we need to wish something beyond what weve had most of these last 30 years
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NickNack wrote: Thu May 21, 2026 12:36 pm He didn’t show much interest in Leighton Baines when we first signed him either. I’d like to think we’ll finally sort the RB issues and Dibling might get more of a chance. We’ll see.
Leighton Baines was 2nd choice wasn't he?? Dibling is behind a player we tried to sell, 1 we got on loan after him and a couple of central midfielders. Hes shown no interest. I dont see how hes suddenly playing next season
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StirlingBlue wrote: Thu May 21, 2026 7:52 am I think we can all acknowledge what a shit show we were when Moyes stepped in and steadied the ship, but he's been here for a season and a half and we're on a downward trajectory not an upward one.

You'd hope that over time a manager should see a team gradually improving, but it seems to me that we're getting worse rather than better. Even ignoring the results the football has been pretty insipid since the early season Grealish renaissance and we're back to relying on individual moments and set pieces to score goals rather than looking like we have a repeatable gameplan - it's a big red flag for me going into a summer where we're probably going to spend £75m+
Were we on an upward trajectory prior to the last six games? Do the context of some of those games, the reality of those performances beyond the results not count as improvement or is that completely irrelevant? I get it, ultimately it comes down to results but is there room for analysis beyond that, recognition of change and improvement under his tenure?

I've openly said that if we have a better option we should take it and that I don't think he's the future for us, but saying that we're worse than we were before is bananas to me. There are results and performances this season, even without Grealish, that we just wouldn't have seen in the last few seasons.
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Audrey Horne wrote: Wed May 20, 2026 10:22 pm Eh? Yes .... As you can see. There's been masses of credit and praise?
Right, ok. I wasn't saying he hasn't had any praise, but that seems to have become irrelevant in the discussions we're having now, which for some seem to only include two factors, recent performances and final league position.
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I think to counter the doom mongers a little, Moyes did get us in to Europe multiple times previously, same with West Ham including winning a trophy.

I don't think he's a total dinosaur or that we'll find ourselves floundering next season necessarily. He is actually a good manager hence how we were talking about Champions League qualification only 6 games ago.

Now how he goes about things is another matter entirely for me, and why I'd swap him for Ireola in a heartbeat, but I don't really believe keeping him will see us struggle next season with an enhanced and hopefully better balanced team.
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777Kidnappings wrote: Thu May 21, 2026 12:53 pm Leighton Baines was 2nd choice wasn't he?? Dibling is behind a player we tried to sell, 1 we got on loan after him and a couple of central midfielders. Hes shown no interest. I dont see how hes suddenly playing next season
He played a centre back (Lescott) instead of Baines

From Moyes:

“Merlin, we like, Tyler, we like. Tyler, we're giving more time to because of his age. Merlin could have easily been involved in some more games and played a little bit more time. It'll do him no harm to have sat back for the best part of the season and looked at it. No, we like them, they're both good boys.”

Based on that, I’d expect to see a lot more of him next season - if he’s any good. Like I said, time will tell
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NickNack wrote: Thu May 21, 2026 1:22 pm He played a centre back (Lescott) instead of Baines

From Moyes:

“Merlin, we like, Tyler, we like. Tyler, we're giving more time to because of his age. Merlin could have easily been involved in some more games and played a little bit more time. It'll do him no harm to have sat back for the best part of the season and looked at it. No, we like them, they're both good boys.”

Based on that, I’d expect to see a lot more of him next season - if he’s any good. Like I said, time will tell
Time will tell. I dont think we'll see much of him next season. Think most likely is he wont even be here
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TheRam wrote: Wed May 20, 2026 10:22 pm Because ending the season on less than 50 points possibly in 13th/14th is a poor season.

It’s actually very nuanced to praise him when things were good, then criticise him when it all falls apart.

You’re only as good as where you finish, and where we’re going to finish isn’t going to be good enough unfortunately.

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I don't know, praising when things are good and criticising when they're bad isn't nuance, it's just reacting to results. Most player threads are full of it: future captain to not good enough in 3 games, depending on the last performance.

Nuance is asking why. What's driving the good runs and the bad ones, what context surrounds them, when does praise apply and when does patience.
"You're only as good as where you finish" is the opposite of that. Real nuance factors in where the club was when he took over, the squad, injuries, the quality of the teams around us, how those teams are run and managed, and the whole season's trajectory, not just the last 6 games or final league position in isolation.
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AjaxAndy wrote: Thu May 21, 2026 10:47 am I've got a foot in both the Moyes in and Moyes out camps, but right now if you gave me Ireola, two new full backs, a pacy winger and regular games for Rohl, Tim, Dibling and Jake at CB, it'd absolutely bite your hand off.
This is where I'm at.
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Bluedylan1 wrote: Thu May 21, 2026 5:29 am I've been one of the biggest pro-Moyes voices on the forum, and even I think it's not unreasonable to question the manager's position after the last few weeks. It's certainly not unreasonable to have the conversation.

I still think Moyes is a very good manager, and I think he's an excellent Everton manager. I think he's been the ideal pair of hands to steer us to safety in our final season at Goodison, and allow us to actually enjoy that and not be riddled with anxiety about relegation. That was a BIG deal, we shouldn't forget.

We were on our arses when Dyche lost his nerve and realised the club was far too big and historied for his gaslighting operation to work. We were in a very precarious position when Moyes arrived, and the wrong appointment there (possibly Graham Potter in that situation?) could've easily seen us in another relegation tailspin.

And for the vast majority of this season, I think it's fair to say he's overachieved with what are still very limited resources, and gaping holes in the squad. We were 3 points off a Champs League place on April 10th. Massive credit. Even a semi-ok finish to the season from there sees us get Europe comfortably.

And then we've had an absolutely disastrous 6 games since then. A complete implosion. Worse than any of us could've possibly imagined 6 games ago, even with our most pessimistic hats on.

So then the real question is - is it fair to write off 15 months of excellent work for 6 terrible games (when it really mattered!) where the whole thing has horribly imploded and all the best qualities of the manager have receded into the background, and a number of his worst instincts and tendencies have come back to the fore?

I am undecided on that. I have mixed feelings. Maybe it is fair to do that, because the 6 games were SO disastrous and because we're all inching closer to death.

I think there's every chance we buy some better players in the summer under Moyes, we look a better proposition next season with a more balanced squad and we could qualify for Europe. I think that's entirely possible and plausible. On the other hand, if the transfers go the other way, could we end up with another stale lower mid table season, and quite a toxic atmosphere? Absolutely we could.

If we bring Iraola in say, talented as he is, we don't have the squad to play his football. Not even close to it. It would need a big overhaul of playing staff, and lots of patience. Off the top of my head players who could play his style would be - Branthwaite, Garner, Rohl, Iroegbunam, KDH, Ndiaye, Dibling, George, Barry. The entire defence would need an overhaul. We'd have to remodel the midfield and attack over a few transfer windows. It would be a bit of a ''rip it up and start again'' option. Are our fanbase ready for that? Could our fanbase handle not winning until the 10th game of the season, like he did at Bournemouth, while he works on pressing traps and overloads?

That's not to say we shouldn't go for him now, or in the near future. I'm just posing the question, and pointing out that Iraola doesn't just come in and turn us into a slick, energetic attacking team without a fair bit of money being spent, and a fair bit of patience from the club and fanbase. He's not a pragmatist, he's an idealist. Those managers take time, and often you go backwards for a while before you move forwards.

So there's genuine pros and cons either way.

Overall, I think it's overwhelmingly likely we keep Moyes, whether we all agree with that or not. Angus Kinnear's comments pretty much indicated that. So we'd better get the summer transfers right. No ifs, buts or maybes. If I see a Soucek or a Trippier come through the door, get the manager gone for me and sink the Hill-Dickinson in the Mersey. If Keane or McNeil or Mykolenko starts the first game of next season, nuke the whole operation from orbit and erase us from the history books.
Yeah, I think our fanbase in the main wouldn’t take to Iraola for the reasons you’ve pointed out. We’re too entitled and old skool to put up with the transition period en masse. Which is a shame, because I’d be all for it.

However, I do think Moyes obviously stays, and gets given much more control over transfers this summer, and I’m not looking forward to it.
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UnsyisaRhino wrote: Thu May 21, 2026 12:59 pm Were we on an upward trajectory prior to the last six games? Do the context of some of those games, the reality of those performances beyond the results not count as improvement or is that completely irrelevant? I get it, ultimately it comes down to results but is there room for analysis beyond that, recognition of change and improvement under his tenure?

I've openly said that if we have a better option we should take it and that I don't think he's the future for us, but saying that we're worse than we were before is bananas to me. There are results and performances this season, even without Grealish, that we just wouldn't have seen in the last few seasons.
Honestly I'd say that we weren't on an upwards trajectory prior to the last games and that we were probably overperforming in results the reality of what we were seeing on the pitch, we got a number of wins very much against the run of play IMO

For me the trajectory is independent to the actual results it's more about what we see on the pitch and I've not been impressed since Grealish was injured
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It's got little to do with results and more with tactical performance and player choices. For me anyway. Were playing dire football.
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Audrey Horne wrote: Thu May 21, 2026 4:09 pm It's got little to do with results and more with tactical performance and player choices. For me anyway. Were playing dire football.
Exactly this, it's not a cheap day out. The minimum you'd expect is to be entertained a little.
I'm amazed the likes of sky and tnt haven't pulled the plug on us this season as we're hard to watch even if you support us
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I think the results were the only positive. We were shit in the cup. Weve been shit in the transfer market. We play boring football. Once the results dry up what are the positives. What progress has been made if its not in points or league positions?? Weve just spent a load of money on players who cant get in the team to stand still
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