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July 11, 2018, 11:52:09 PM
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velimski


England starting X1 unchanged.

Makes sense really.

July 12, 2018, 04:05:52 AM
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velimski


No arguments with the result.


July 12, 2018, 05:36:04 PM
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velimski


Serious question as I cant remember
In 1990 did we play a 3rd place playoff?

Yeah I all recall Dave Beasant playing in goal.


July 12, 2018, 09:12:46 PM
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velimski


Shilton played he got tackled for their goal

It was 2-1 but yes Shilton played.

July 14, 2018, 05:21:14 PM
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velimski


Check out the highlights from the 1990 3rd/4th play off. Probably the worst offside call I've ever seen, some horrendous goalkeeping from Shilton, and a questionable penalty.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44827856

July 14, 2018, 07:50:40 PM
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velimski


Not too many changes for England (4), well less than I thought there would be.


I'm amazed Trippier is fit to start though.


July 14, 2018, 08:32:02 PM
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Thought Tripper looked odds on to miss the first few weeks of the season when he went off.

Makes you wonder what the injury was and why he couldn't play the last 5 minutes.

July 14, 2018, 10:19:28 PM
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velimski


They can take Kane off now.

July 14, 2018, 11:20:46 PM
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velimski


Ryan Sessegnon will make the left wing back spot his own pretty quickly I suspect.

Painfully obvious that we need midfielders who are comfortable on the ball and create things. 2 or 3 Phil Foden type players and we'll be looking pretty solid i reckon.

July 15, 2018, 03:54:25 AM
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I don’t think it’s been much better or worse than a lot of our previous efforts.

When you compare it to shite served up over the last 20 years by Hodgson, Capello, Ericsson and Keegan who all had more talented players at their disposal i think it's fair to say this year was significantly better.

For the first time since probably 1998 or 96 the players actually looked like they a) gave a shit, and b) were playing to a game plan and to their strengths.

For anyone under the age of 30, this is probably the most excited they have ever been about England, and with good reason.

July 15, 2018, 04:08:08 AM
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We did lose to a great Brazil team under Sven. Looked promising with a young rooney in a euros til he got injured.

I think if wed ended with an unlucky defeat Id be much more upbeat about it. We were comfortably dealt with by Croatia and Belgium though

Yes, in 2004 it looked like we might do something until Rooney got injured, i'll give you that. But with the players Ericsson had I think it's fair to say the team still massively underperformed, whereas most would agree that the current squad have overachieved. Nobody gave them a chance of getting this far before the tournament started.


Regardless of how Croatia dealt with England (they've got a lot players who walk into the England side, so let's not pretend they're some kind of minnows), getting to the semi final of the world cup for the first time in 28 years with such a young and pretty average squad is good enough for most people.

Today's game against Belgium was totally irrelevant really, but again look at their squad compared to England's and it's hardly a surprise that we lost.
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July 15, 2018, 04:33:57 AM
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It is good enough on the face of it. I'm just not sure we saw anything that suggests a brighter future

As for croatia. They aren't really that good. 2 world class midfielders and 1 very good winger. They haven't got much else have they? Player for player our squad is more highly rated than theirs. Maybe that's our problem we are just over rating them. Maybe rather than compare us to dominate teams we need to accept we are always going to be underdogs and a second tier side and enjoy when we battle to relative success

Those 3 would walk into the England side, and you could make a case for Strinic, Brozovic and Rebic. They certainly wouldn't look out of place.

Their other strengths however (besides the obvious quality in central midfield) is their organisation, the togetherness of squad and how much of a shift every single one of their players puts in. Those 2 things alone can often be enough to beat a more talented yet disorganised side (eg the 3-0 over Argentina).

July 15, 2018, 10:39:43 PM
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velimski


Harsh on Croatia.

Didn't think it was an obvious pen, and they've been the better side.

July 15, 2018, 10:51:34 PM
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velimski


Definitely a penalty

It definitely wasn't a definite penalty.

July 15, 2018, 11:03:00 PM
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velimski


I definitely don't know if it should be a penalty.

Precisely