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November 11, 2020, 07:08:43 PM
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The thing everybody is missing is that Doucouré is closer to Sig’s desired role than the defensive midfielder we want him to be.

He’s doing an admirable job but we’re massively lacking a sitting, space covering DM which will allow Allan and Doucouré the freedom to press that they need.


November 11, 2020, 07:26:23 PM
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Doucoure is the second best tackler outside the top six

Allan is also right up there in the amount of tackles and interceptions made per game

That suggests to me that both players are doing whats asked of them. It's the fella to the left of them, whether that be Gomes or Sigurdsson that lets them down.
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November 11, 2020, 08:21:45 PM
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Doucoure is the second best tackler outside the top six

Allan is also right up there in the amount of tackles and interceptions made per game

That suggests to me that both players are doing whats asked of them. It's the fella to the left of them, whether that be Gomes or Sigurdsson that lets them down.
Allan is the best in the league so far, averages 4.7 tackles per game

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November 11, 2020, 08:33:10 PM
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Bob Sacamano


Seems that the way we play we’re dependent on that 3rd CM being absolute dynamite on the turn. Unfortunately we have Gylfi and Gomes.

November 11, 2020, 08:39:08 PM
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Waltzer


Seems that the way we play we're dependent on that 3rd CM being absolute dynamite on the turn. Unfortunately we have Gylfi and Gomes.
I think we just need someone that can advance with the ball centrally as well as doing the ugly stuff, we have a lot that are combative in the midfield but we need someone that can create and score, I hoped that was Gomes but looking less and less likely

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November 11, 2020, 09:11:55 PM
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Doucoure is the second best tackler outside the top six

Allan is also right up there in the amount of tackles and interceptions made per game

That suggests to me that both players are doing whats asked of them. It's the fella to the left of them, whether that be Gomes or Sigurdsson that lets them down.

Allan one of the most aggressive pressers in Europe ATM.

But both doing the headless chicken routine isn't working and we're being bypassed. Relatively fewer interceptions shows this I think... individual duals we can win but combination play we struggle.

Drop them both into a two with specific jobs,  push the backline up 5 yards, out someone ahead who can receive on the half turn.
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November 12, 2020, 03:06:36 AM
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Allan one of the most aggressive pressers in Europe ATM.

But both doing the headless chicken routine isn't working and we're being bypassed. Relatively fewer interceptions shows this I think... individual duals we can win but combination play we struggle.

Drop them both into a two with specific jobs,  push the backline up 5 yards, out someone ahead who can receive on the half turn.

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November 16, 2020, 03:49:27 AM
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I don't like these ones as essentially it's highlighting the least shit, but he does have more goals and assists than Iwobi, who lots have been saying should start as he's much more creative. But like I said, neither are good enough, so I'll leave it there.

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Be amazed if he creates and scores more without the set plays which are crap anyway. You surely don’t believe iwobi is a worse player than sigurdsson

This thread has been a fascinating read the last 5 or so pages.

Anyway, just because I always do, I looked up their output.

All comps, the past 2 years:
Iwobi has 3 goals, 3 assists in 2,242 minutes.
Sigurdsson has 3 goals, 6 assists in 3,279 minutes. 1 of the goals was a pen, and 2 of the assists were corners.

Iwobi doesn't take pens, or corners. Their output is pretty much identical.

Can't use the "played out of position" argument, since they both have, and it could be argued Iwobi moreso. I don't really care what they cost, but if anyone does, we're talking £27m for a 23-year-old vs £45m for a 31-year-old.

I know who I'd take, and he hasn't even been very good. It's Iwobi, btw.

Is this the Doucoure thread, I forgot.
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November 16, 2020, 03:54:32 AM
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This thread has been a fascinating read the last 5 or so pages.

Anyway, just because I always do, I looked up their output.

All comps, the past 2 years:
Iwobi has 3 goals, 3 assists in 2,242 minutes.
Sigurdsson has 3 goals, 6 assists in 3,279 minutes. 1 of the goals was a pen, and 2 of the assists were corners.

Iwobi doesn't take pens, or corners. Their output is pretty much identical.

Can't use the "played out of position" argument, since they both have, and it could be argued Iwobi moreso. I don't really care what they cost, but if anyone does, we're talking £27m for a 23-year-old vs £45m for a 31-year-old.

I know who I'd take, and he hasn't even been very good. It's Iwobi, btw.

Is this the Doucoure thread, I forgot.
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November 16, 2020, 04:06:53 AM
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Fuck me, Sig was 31 when we bought him, never knew that......

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Funny guy.

Ok, 22 y.o. Iwobi vs 27 y.o. Sigurdsson. Everything else I pointed out is entirely accurate.
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November 16, 2020, 06:02:05 AM
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This thread has been a fascinating read the last 5 or so pages.

Anyway, just because I always do, I looked up their output.

All comps, the past 2 years:
Iwobi has 3 goals, 3 assists in 2,242 minutes.
Sigurdsson has 3 goals, 6 assists in 3,279 minutes. 1 of the goals was a pen, and 2 of the assists were corners.

Iwobi doesn't take pens, or corners. Their output is pretty much identical.

Can't use the "played out of position" argument, since they both have, and it could be argued Iwobi moreso. I don't really care what they cost, but if anyone does, we're talking £27m for a 23-year-old vs £45m for a 31-year-old.

I know who I'd take, and he hasn't even been very good. It's Iwobi, btw.

Is this the Doucoure thread, I forgot.

Think me point would be that sigurdsson simply isn’t capable of having games as good as iwobi had against Brighton and Utd (and they weren’t even that good)
Even at his best he’d be as good as he is now but with a some moments of magic. He isn’t capable of even a good all round performance. Least iwobi has good days. Not enough of them but least he has some

November 16, 2020, 04:05:36 PM
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I rated him very highly at Watford. He has been consistent for us during the start of the season. He is exactly what we need that, someone strong and powerful.

November 23, 2020, 03:33:32 AM
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Let's face it, Decoure is a defensive liability at the moment:

He failed to track his player Bobby Decordova-Reid for the first goal.

Failed to track his player Loftus-Cheek who a split second later won a penalty.

Failed to close down Loftus-Cheek quickly enough for Fulham's goal.

November 23, 2020, 03:44:13 AM
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brap2

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Had a good game today I thought.

Off the ball got through tons of work and when he did make a run forward he finished a great move.

Both him and Allan struggling to get the ball forward though. Could do with James in front of them definitely.
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November 23, 2020, 04:26:10 AM
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TheRam

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Thought he was great myself.

Think he and Allan are being asked to do too much so at times they can struggle to impact the game but they can also have periods where they dominate.

He ran the show in the last 20 minutes of the first half and that won us the game really.

Constant energy and is starting to become more of a threat in the final third. The player we’ve been missing in the middle of the park for years.
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