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Title: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: Verm on September 06, 2010, 07:02:17 PM
Trying to be optimistic about this one. Hopefully the crowd are up for it and an upset can kick-start our season.

--------------------------------Howard---------------------------------
Hibbert---------Jagielka------------Distin---------------Baines
--------------------------------Fellaini---------------------------------
---------------------Arteta--------------Cahill------------------------
--------Bilyaletdinov-------------------------Pienaar--------------
-------------------------------Saha--------------------------------------

BENCH;  Mucha  Coleman  Heitinga  Rodwell  Gueye  Yakubu  Beckford

Everton  2  -  1  Manchester United
Saha--------------------Rooney-----------
Cahill-----------------------------------------
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: plumber on September 06, 2010, 07:12:17 PM
I'm somehow optimistic even without trying, although there are not much reasons to be optimistic.
We are getting better with each match (shite against Blackburn, one decent half against Wolves and good game with bad result against Villa) and I feel this game could be the turning point.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: Sharky on September 06, 2010, 07:27:10 PM
We wont win without Phil Neville. Arteta is a shit captain. 
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: Verm on September 06, 2010, 07:51:16 PM
We wont win without Phil Neville. Arteta is a shit captain. 
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: Bally on September 06, 2010, 08:19:14 PM
I am hoping on a performance similar to last years but it ending in a draw this time 1-1 or 2-2 we will lead
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: Ong-Timus Prime on September 06, 2010, 09:37:29 PM
Is Saha fit to play this one?
I thought he was injured.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: Silas on September 06, 2010, 09:45:06 PM
Trying to be optimistic about this one. Hopefully the crowd are up for it and an upset can kick-start our season.

--------------------------------Howard---------------------------------
Hibbert---------Jagielka------------Distin---------------Baines
--------------------------------Fellaini---------------------------------
---------------------Arteta--------------Cahill------------------------
--------Bilyaletdinov-------------------------Pienaar--------------
-------------------------------Saha--------------------------------------

BENCH;  Mucha  Coleman  Heitinga  Rodwell  Gueye  Yakubu  Beckford

Everton  2  -  1  Manchester United
Saha--------------------Rooney-----------
Cahill-----------------------------------------

I would play Coleman rather than Bilya right wing first half but that is a solid line up.  A win is certainly possible if we actually click and 2-1 would be about right.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: Jamokachi on September 06, 2010, 10:03:50 PM
Is Saha fit to play this one?
I thought he was injured.

In a race to be fit, according to reports this morning.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: ToxtethBlue on September 06, 2010, 10:47:32 PM
------------------------------Howard

Neville----------Jagielka----------Distin----------Baines

--------------------Fellaini----------Arteta--------------------

Coleman----------------------------------------------Pienaar

----------------------Cahill

----------------------------------------Yakubu

I'd like to see something like that.

1-1
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: blargins on September 06, 2010, 10:56:46 PM
I think we will win 1-0.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: Confucius on September 07, 2010, 12:10:49 AM
In a race to be fit, according to reports this morning.
If it's a race for anything he is probably going to re-injure himself.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: Verm on September 07, 2010, 01:01:10 AM
Ah, forgot about Saha, probably start Beckford instead then.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: evertonjoe on September 07, 2010, 01:03:58 AM
If Yak is fit surely he has got to start.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: Verm on September 07, 2010, 01:16:40 AM
If Yak is fit surely he has got to start.

Not after what I saw at the Carragher testimonial.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: evertonjoe on September 07, 2010, 01:23:17 AM
Not after what I saw at the Carragher testimonial.

What did he not play well in a meaningless friendly that neither the players or fans care about at all?
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: cad on September 07, 2010, 01:25:51 AM
I don't expect us to win, so I can either shrug a loss off, or be pleasantly surprised with anything better.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: Tasslehoff on September 07, 2010, 01:40:43 AM
For me the actual result is less painful if we play well, and contrary to popular believe we have been getting better. I fancy the Score draw to be honest. Which I would be happy with.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: april on September 07, 2010, 03:34:26 AM
                            Howard

Hibbert     Heitinga     Jagielka    Baines

                     Fellaini  Rodwell

       Bilyaletdinov     Arteta    Pienaar
 
                            Beckford


Yeah I know, no Cahill. But Beckford did the biz against Man U last season so he makes the team. One of Fellaini / Rodwell to surge forward at all times, both back to help out with percieved 'lack of height' at the back, Bily to replicate his wonder strike of last season, Coleman to come on and torment Evra for the last 20 mins, setting up Pienaar for a simple tap-in on 83mins.  We win 2-0.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: the doc on September 07, 2010, 04:44:10 AM
wonder if rooney will play? anyway we have to get a result on this one I'm going for a 2-1 win, Cahill and Rodwell to score!
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: blargins on September 07, 2010, 08:58:38 AM
Good luck with Rodwell scoring, he's injured.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: kunal32 on September 07, 2010, 06:38:15 PM
Must be something of a record, two seasons in a row the mancs coming to Goodison and not going back with all 3 points. Think that'll change this weekend. 2-0 Utd win hate to say.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: DannyR on September 08, 2010, 12:44:08 AM
Would love us to win, i  can seeing it being a draw, wouldn't be upset if we lost.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: 5yeararteta on September 08, 2010, 01:34:49 AM
We wont win without Phil Neville. Arteta is a shit captain. 
was this a joke???
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: Verm on September 08, 2010, 01:41:31 AM
What did he not play well in a meaningless friendly that neither the players or fans care about at all?

It's effectively a reserve match, a chance for young/fringe players to impress and show they are worth a shot at the first team. Yak was fucking dire.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: Thom on September 08, 2010, 02:41:35 AM
-------------Howard----------
Hibbert---Jagielka--Distin--Baines
Bily---Arteta---Fellaini--Pienaar
---------------Cahill---------
-------------Beckford-------

Bench: Mucha, Coleman, Heitinga, Osman, Anichebe Saha, Yakubu

2-1 to Everton. Fellaini and Yakubu for us, Rooney for them.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: Sharky on September 08, 2010, 04:45:44 AM
was this a joke???
not in the slightest mate.

He might not be a world beater and win games on his own but its clear to see hes the leader on the pitch. And when your playing the best teams around you need the leader.

It was shown last season when we were 1-0 down at half time to burnley. As soon as nev was subed on and got thew armband on the team looked calmer and we went back and won 2-1.

Also correct me if im wrong but have we ever won a game with arteta as captain?
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: 5yeararteta on September 08, 2010, 06:16:33 AM
not in the slightest mate.

He might not be a world beater and win games on his own but its clear to see hes the leader on the pitch. And when your playing the best teams around you need the leader.

It was shown last season when we were 1-0 down at half time to burnley. As soon as nev was subed on and got thew armband on the team looked calmer and we went back and won 2-1.

Also correct me if im wrong but have we ever won a game with arteta as captain?

"We wont win without Phil NevilleĒ - I just canít see how Phil Neville is that influential. i donít think he is the difference between us winning or losing. As a captain i believe he is good but not great, and i believe currently he doesnít warrant a place in the side. When he gets the ball i hate it because so predictable and slow. With arteta he is not what i would say is a captain however the articles i have read on everton players about Arteta is that when he talks they listen  and he in extremely influential - personally my idea of a captain is Johnny h - however he hasnít really been at the club long enough and not in starting 11 to warrant the captains arm band.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: aylesbury blue on September 08, 2010, 04:50:14 PM
We are going to get stuffed 3-0
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: charlatan on September 08, 2010, 08:22:31 PM
We are going to get stuffed 3-0

Hope not, but wouldn't surprise me.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: blueToffee on September 08, 2010, 09:12:48 PM
The idea that we can't win without Phil Neville bemuses me a bit. Given his age, we better had find a way sooner rather than later.

I don't think the captain's role on the pitch is that significant, there are 11 players who for the most part know what they should be doing and all have the will to win.

We can play well without Phil Neville, so we can win without Phil Neville. The real problem this season has been individual errors and certain players not playing to their potential. That said I think Neville is a great club representative, for me he just doesn't need to be playing all the time for us to win.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: charlatan on September 08, 2010, 09:34:19 PM
We are more likely to play well WITHOUT him hoofing it aimlessly
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: nsno on September 09, 2010, 01:51:35 AM
The idea that we can't win without Phil Neville bemuses me a bit. Given his age, we better had find a way sooner rather than later.

I don't think the captain's role on the pitch is that significant, there are 11 players who for the most part know what they should be doing and all have the will to win.

We can play well without Phil Neville, so we can win without Phil Neville. The real problem this season has been individual errors and certain players not playing to their potential. That said I think Neville is a great club representative, for me he just doesn't need to be playing all the time for us to win.
:thumbsup:
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: philly on September 09, 2010, 04:38:02 AM
I think we should take a leaf out of Blackburns books and have a club and team captain.

Neville seems to be good to have around the club but he shouldn't be the first name on the team sheet.

Give him the title of club captain and assign one of our regulars the armband for the team - it's still a nod to what he has done during his time with us without turning the fans on him by playing him week in week out when we have a better starting 11 without him.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: Rick@OZ on September 09, 2010, 03:26:06 PM
Trying to be optimistic about this one. Hopefully the crowd are up for it and an upset can kick-start our season.

--------------------------------Howard---------------------------------
Hibbert---------Jagielka------------Distin---------------Baines
--------------------------------Fellaini---------------------------------
---------------------Arteta--------------Cahill------------------------
--------Bilyaletdinov-------------------------Pienaar--------------
-------------------------------Saha--------------------------------------

BENCH;  Mucha  Coleman  Heitinga  Rodwell  Gueye  Yakubu  Beckford

some things we dont agree on but this ent one of them. This is a good line up for saturday

Everton  2  -  1  Manchester United
Saha--------------------Rooney-----------
Cahill-----------------------------------------
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: Silas on September 09, 2010, 09:53:21 PM
I am hoping Jagielka's solid performance for England transfer to Everton now.  He needs to put in a monster performance to give us a good chance.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: Ridge on September 10, 2010, 12:00:34 AM
3-1

Cahill 2
Fellaini
Giggs
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: taffytoffee on September 10, 2010, 01:44:07 AM
I think its goona finish 1-1. i just hope the stories of rodwell are'nt true. it would be nice to see him skinning evans again. I don't think fergie will start with rooney, it'll be berbatov and hernandez, also whats the betting of a rooney red card if things are'nt going his way and the crowd is on his back?
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: HungryHungryHibbo on September 10, 2010, 07:46:05 AM
has coleman done enough to merit a start on the wing? i'd hate to see ossie out there again...he was in the centre when we beat united last year and was class
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: Sharky on September 10, 2010, 02:02:44 PM
Howard
Neville Heitinga Jagielka Baines
Fellaini
Bilyaldtdinov Arteta Pienaar
Osman
Cahill
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: Sprooly on September 10, 2010, 02:28:00 PM
I will be rushing home to make it before the start of the 2nd half bit dissapointed i miss the first half but oh well
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: Derek on September 10, 2010, 05:57:56 PM
Rodwell out for two months.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: blueToffee on September 10, 2010, 08:42:19 PM
Rodwell and Saha out (Rodwell for up to 3 months it says on the OS) but Neville is back.

http://www.evertonfc.com/news/archive/2010/09/10/rodwell-and-saha-out (http://www.evertonfc.com/news/archive/2010/09/10/rodwell-and-saha-out)

I wonder if Moyes will go super defensive:

Howard

Hibbert Jagielka Distin Baines

Neville Heitinga

Arteta Pienaar

Fellaini

Cahill

With the current available options I'd like:

Howard

Hibbert Jagielka Heitinga Baines

Fellaini

Coleman Osman Arteta Pienaar

Cahill
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: Fynci on September 10, 2010, 11:22:06 PM
Unfortunately I can't see anything other than the continuation of our poor start.

We have no firepower that Utd can't handle, and I think our only chances will come from set plays... unfortunately our set pieces at present have been woeful at best! How many did we get against Villa?

I see us losing 2-0 I'm afraid to say.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: Fellainis Hairdresser on September 10, 2010, 11:58:10 PM
howard
neville jags distin baines
heitinga
billy arteta pienaar
fellaini
cahill
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: HungryHungryHibbo on September 11, 2010, 12:42:12 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/e/everton/8989510.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/e/everton/8989510.stm)

interesting press session
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: Bluenose83 on September 11, 2010, 05:50:16 PM
Anyone know any links for the game?
Title: No Rooney
Post by: kunal32 on September 11, 2010, 05:53:46 PM
For the clash today.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: Trowel on September 11, 2010, 05:57:39 PM
Rooney's been left out of the United squad...
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: charlatan on September 11, 2010, 06:00:14 PM
Fuxake, Osman right mid again :headbang:
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: blueslipper on September 11, 2010, 06:00:44 PM
EFC: Everton XI to face Man Utd: Howard, Hibbert, Baines, Jagielka, Distin, Heitinga, Osman, Arteta, Pienaar, Cahill, Fellaini
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: Thom on September 11, 2010, 06:01:10 PM
Yakubu and Beckford are on the bench, so that means it's Cahill up front with Fellaini supporting him.

Seriously not happy, but IF we win then it'll have ben vindicated.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: Tasslehoff on September 11, 2010, 06:01:19 PM
TEAM NEWS: Everton XI to face Man Utd: Howard, Hibbert, Baines, Jagielka, Distin, Heitinga, Osman, Arteta, Pienaar, Cahill, Fellaini.

Neville on the bench
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: Trowel on September 11, 2010, 06:03:12 PM
United line up:

VDS
Neville
Vidic
Evans
Evra
Fletcher
Scholes
O'Shea
Nani
Berbatov
Giggs
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: charlatan on September 11, 2010, 06:03:34 PM
negative, negative, negative.  Shite
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: Jimmywhack on September 11, 2010, 06:18:06 PM
If its this
Howard
Hibbert jags distin baines
felli heitinga
osman arteta pienaar
cahill

Its not negative imo

Problem is it wont be that
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: bravison on September 11, 2010, 06:20:50 PM
Watching the Premier Leage Preview and heard an interesting stat. Everton have had 25 shots on target in the opening three games - with only one goal scored (4%) vs. 13 shots on target from their three opponents, conceding three goals (23%).

If we keep needing 25 shots on goal to score a single goal, yet letting in a goal every 4 shots (or thereabouts) - this is going to be a long season! Needs sorting, hopefully starting today. COYB!
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: charlatan on September 11, 2010, 06:23:50 PM
Problem is it wont be that

Bingo
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: dunkster on September 11, 2010, 06:26:05 PM
at best we have a lot of midfielders there who can at least play football. on the down side, it looks like sheer desperation that we cant have one single striker in the team, when the season has only just began. and to think Eidur gudhjohnson was available on loan!!!!!
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: Jamokachi on September 11, 2010, 06:26:58 PM
at best we have a lot of midfielders there who can at least play football. on the down side, it looks like sheer desperation that we cant have one single striker in the team, when the season has only just began. and to think Eidur gudhjohnson was available on loan!!!!!

We have two strikers on the bench. It's not that we can't field them, it's that Moyes wont.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: Jamokachi on September 11, 2010, 06:28:16 PM
Anyone know any links for the game?

http://www.myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?ma...85&part=sports (http://www.myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?ma...85&part=sports)
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: dunkster on September 11, 2010, 06:28:22 PM
http://myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=85985&part=sports (http://myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=85985&part=sports)
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: charlatan on September 11, 2010, 06:30:20 PM
We have two strikers on the bench. It's not that we can't field them, it's that Moyes wont.

This
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: cad on September 11, 2010, 06:43:49 PM
Disappointing line-up for me, but we'll have to wait and see what happens.

Can't see us scoring.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: cambridge.blue on September 11, 2010, 06:45:33 PM
Disappointing line-up for me, but we'll have to wait and see what happens.

Can't see us scoring.

Very disappointing Osman on the wing... :headbang:
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: cambridge.blue on September 11, 2010, 06:51:01 PM
good start, hopefully we can kep it up and not concede
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: cambridge.blue on September 11, 2010, 06:58:05 PM
Typical Osman attempt  :headbang:
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: Fern on September 11, 2010, 07:01:42 PM
unforgivable how we got lack of resources in striking area our board are useless. I dont blame Moyes not starting withYak.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: cambridge.blue on September 11, 2010, 07:02:41 PM
A big reminder there from O'Shea, we need to score while we have got the momentum because they will punish us sooner or later when we slow down
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: Robioto on September 11, 2010, 07:03:08 PM
Christ that was close.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: cambridge.blue on September 11, 2010, 07:12:26 PM
Too excited there Timmy boy
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: Fern on September 11, 2010, 07:14:36 PM
Osman is so shit
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: cambridge.blue on September 11, 2010, 07:15:10 PM
Osman is so shit

That is an insult to shit
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: Fern on September 11, 2010, 07:19:19 PM
That is an insult to shit

True
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: cambridge.blue on September 11, 2010, 07:19:52 PM
Yet another fuc*ing useless refereeing decision, hibbert played the ball onto Giggs
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: Hannibal Lecter on September 11, 2010, 07:20:44 PM
Howard pays back what he owed for his Blackburn-mistake
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: cad on September 11, 2010, 07:24:20 PM
Same old same old...great possession, but no penetration.

Now Man U are beginning to look more dangerous.

There wouldn't be much point putting on a striker though, the ball just wouldn't reach whoever it was...

Looks like a set-piece goal for us, or not much else.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: cambridge.blue on September 11, 2010, 07:24:30 PM
I love Arteta but he needs to sort out a few more dead ball kicks
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: cad on September 11, 2010, 07:25:36 PM
Fucking get in !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: cambridge.blue on September 11, 2010, 07:26:11 PM
Get in there Peanut 1-0
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: cad on September 11, 2010, 07:26:39 PM
Happy to be wrong   :woohoo:
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: cantoffee on September 11, 2010, 07:26:51 PM
PIENAAAAAAAAAAARRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: Hannibal Lecter on September 11, 2010, 07:27:25 PM
Howard pays back what he owed for his Blackburn-mistake
Then makes another great save and on the counter-attack from the corner we score!!!

Who said Howard was finshed??
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: cantoffee on September 11, 2010, 07:28:05 PM
Say what you want about Osman, but he followed up well and played the perfect pass to Pienaar.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: trendo on September 11, 2010, 07:31:01 PM
hm...
again...   :-\
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: cantoffee on September 11, 2010, 07:31:21 PM
Typical, our central midfield are busy trying to stand in front of the free kick instead of getting back into the middle of the park.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: cambridge.blue on September 11, 2010, 07:31:39 PM
where was our defence
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: Fern on September 11, 2010, 07:32:55 PM
Distin does not concentrate well
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: cad on September 11, 2010, 07:32:57 PM
Heitinga made no effort to cut that out, lazy cunt.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: cambridge.blue on September 11, 2010, 07:33:09 PM
We need to get our heads up otherwise they will take us apart now
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: Fern on September 11, 2010, 07:34:24 PM
Say what you want about Osman, but he followed up well and played the perfect pass to Pienaar.

No one doubts that but can he apply it to the rest of his game?
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: cambridge.blue on September 11, 2010, 07:36:10 PM
No one doubts that but can he apply it to the rest of his game?

No, he is not consistant enough, he will now do one of his disappearing acts
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: cantoffee on September 11, 2010, 07:36:13 PM
No one doubts that but can he apply it to the rest of his game?

He's been far from our worst player. There are probably only a few of us online and two of you are having a go at him when he's been having a pretty average game. No worse than anyone else.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: true1891blue on September 11, 2010, 07:36:19 PM
has jonny evens been to the same school of defending as carragher because he is a dirty lil tw@t and gets away with every thing :headbang: :headbang: :headbang:
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: dunkster on September 11, 2010, 07:37:25 PM
fucking same old same old. plenty of possession, plenty of work but void of penetration up front.

and for fucks sake moysie - teach our players to shoot from range. pienaar, osman, cahill etc. shooting like sunday league players.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: charlatan on September 11, 2010, 07:37:35 PM
Started well but as usual, no end product.

Defence looks dodgy as fuck, and shits themselves whenever Berbatov has the ball.

Arteta's set pieces woeful as usual.

Doing nothing up front.

Needs changing ASAP

Oh and the ref is an absolute cunt (but then again he always is when he comes here)
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: Thom on September 11, 2010, 07:38:15 PM
One pass into Scholes cut out Fellaini, Arteta and Cahill for their goal. Abysmal defending yet again.

We need to get a natural striker on in my opinion. I'm fucking fed up of us constantly bypassing the midfield and hoping Cahill or Fellaini win the aerial dual. Get Beckford on at least to make their defence sit a bit deeper so we have more space to play in.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: cambridge.blue on September 11, 2010, 07:38:39 PM
fucking same old same old. plenty of possession, plenty of work but void of penetration up front.

and for fucks sake moysie - teach our players to shoot from range. pienaar, osman, cahill etc. shooting like sunday league players.

Absolutely correct
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: dunkster on September 11, 2010, 07:40:34 PM
 we got the possession but they have killer instinct. we could be 3-1 down quite easily.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: cambridge.blue on September 11, 2010, 07:41:06 PM
Started well but as usual, no end product.

Defence looks dodgy as fuck, and shits themselves whenever Berbatov has the ball.

Arteta's set pieces woeful as usual.

Doing nothing up front.

Needs changing ASAP

Oh and the ref is an absolute cunt (but then again he always is when he comes here)

Spot on, all huff and puff but cannot blow the door down
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: cantoffee on September 11, 2010, 07:42:27 PM
Pretty even game so far, Moyes probably won't change much until late. Playing narrow has worked moderately well, although our fullbacks seem a bit exposed and as charlatan said we seem to shit ourselves when Berbatov has the ball.

At least Jags seems to have carried his confidence from the internationals into our squad and Pienaar has been our most involved and probably best player.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: dunkster on September 11, 2010, 07:43:28 PM
we have very little quality out wide. even baines has failed to deliver a cross and hibbert's/neville's crosses are never of decent quality. That added to the fact we have no wingers means shite crosses which.......................Y OU NEED with cahill an felaini up front
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: charlatan on September 11, 2010, 07:45:56 PM
We have two strikers on the bench, 3 if you include Gueye, what chances do you reckon they've got of getting onto the pitch?

Nada, Zero, Niet, Zilch
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: Trowel on September 11, 2010, 07:46:00 PM
we have very little quality out wide. even baines has failed to deliver a cross and hibbert's/neville's crosses are never of decent quality. That added to the fact we have no wingers means shite crosses which.......................Y OU NEED with cahill an felaini up front
Yep, disappointed that we've not made the most of Baines and Pienaar being up against Nani and Neville - has barely been a cross delivered from the left.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: dunkster on September 11, 2010, 07:48:26 PM
anynone think we gonna win?
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: BootleBlueBoy on September 11, 2010, 07:48:42 PM
Yak for heitinga anyone? Drop Felli deep.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: biffmalibu on September 11, 2010, 07:49:35 PM
No, but taking off Fellaini and Osman would certainly improve our chances.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: cambridge.blue on September 11, 2010, 07:50:31 PM
anynone think we gonna win?

not if we don't make changes, Hibbert off for Coleman, Osman off for Bily, and maybe give Gueye and run out for Cahill
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: cambridge.blue on September 11, 2010, 07:51:22 PM
If we take the foot off the pedal, they will take us apart
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: cambridge.blue on September 11, 2010, 07:53:03 PM
I rest my case
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: charlatan on September 11, 2010, 07:53:06 PM
Fuck off Everton
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: trendo on September 11, 2010, 07:53:50 PM
where is our defence?
hm.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: charlatan on September 11, 2010, 07:54:03 PM
Changes NOW before its too late you negative prick
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: cad on September 11, 2010, 07:54:12 PM
Vidic, best header of the ball for Man U, and nobody wants to mark him...

 :wanker:'s



Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: dunkster on September 11, 2010, 07:54:14 PM
fucking rediculous. no one goes out to nani aftet the corner broke down.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: cantoffee on September 11, 2010, 07:54:20 PM
Good work Felli, the type of commitment we love to see.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: cambridge.blue on September 11, 2010, 07:54:28 PM
The slaughter starts....
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: cambridge.blue on September 11, 2010, 07:55:27 PM
Changes NOW before its too late you negative prick

Won't happen unti 5 mins from the end and 4-1 down  :headbang:
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: charlatan on September 11, 2010, 07:57:06 PM
Won't happen unti 5 mins from the end and 4-1 down  :headbang:

Dont you just know it
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: cambridge.blue on September 11, 2010, 07:58:52 PM
Dont you just know it

Seen it before time and time again
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: charlatan on September 11, 2010, 07:59:42 PM
Midfield is none existant.  What a good idea to change the shape of the side to accommodate no strikers :headbang:
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: cambridge.blue on September 11, 2010, 08:01:01 PM
Instead of trying to shake hands Timmy boy, try and shake the back of their net
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: cambridge.blue on September 11, 2010, 08:02:23 PM
Midfield is none existant.  What a good idea to change the shape of the side to accommodate no strikers :headbang:

With Osman in the side we are always one player short, he just does not give enough to warrant a starting place
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: cad on September 11, 2010, 08:03:25 PM

 lolol

Hibbo. You've gotta laugh :)
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: .Matty on September 11, 2010, 08:06:39 PM
Coleman on for Osman please Moyes!
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: cad on September 11, 2010, 08:08:28 PM
Coleman on for Osman please Moyes!

It's not the 70th minute yet...
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: cambridge.blue on September 11, 2010, 08:08:49 PM
Coleman on for Osman please Moyes!

Be careful what you say about Osman, the rose tinted glasses brigade will be after you  :wag:
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: cambridge.blue on September 11, 2010, 08:10:58 PM
2-1 down no attack, time to bring another defender  :woohoo:
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: cad on September 11, 2010, 08:11:18 PM
Game over   :eh:
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: charlatan on September 11, 2010, 08:11:37 PM
Fuck Off Moyes.  Time to go......
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: dunkster on September 11, 2010, 08:12:22 PM
fuck off everton you bunch of cunts
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: cambridge.blue on September 11, 2010, 08:12:39 PM
god i hate being right... said the slaughter will begin, yet again moyes leaves it too late, what a total waste of mothers milk this team is
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: Fern on September 11, 2010, 08:13:00 PM
Fuck Off Moyes.  Time to go......

Oh shut up you idiot
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: cantoffee on September 11, 2010, 08:13:31 PM
Game over, have a nice weekend lads.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: Azz on September 11, 2010, 08:14:18 PM
Coleman and Yak coming on in a second...
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: Fern on September 11, 2010, 08:14:33 PM
It's not Moyes fault. Just cos he didn't make the change is not why we lost. We lost becuase Distin is clearly rattled and no conecentration
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: ilikebrunettes on September 11, 2010, 08:14:57 PM
Oh shut up you idiot

No the lad is bang on the money. Found out yet again. No subs til 70 mins yet again.

He is fucking pathetic
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: dunkster on September 11, 2010, 08:15:03 PM
subs  - too little too late
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: Thom on September 11, 2010, 08:15:09 PM
3-1 down and you make a double subsitution only then? Just fuck off, Moyes. Seriously.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: cambridge.blue on September 11, 2010, 08:15:20 PM
 :tit: :tit: :tit:EFC :tit: :tit: :tit:
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: Fern on September 11, 2010, 08:15:54 PM
No the lad is bang on the money. Found out yet again. No subs til 70 mins yet again.

He is fucking pathetic

So are your comments - no surpirse to see you comment when some one complains aboutthe manager
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: charlatan on September 11, 2010, 08:16:45 PM
Same every fucking week.  Knew the outcome at 12:00 when we saw the team.  Utter shite
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: cambridge.blue on September 11, 2010, 08:17:50 PM
Quote
Changes NOW before its too late you negative prick

Won't happen unti 5 mins from the end and 4-1 down  headbang

I wasn't far wrong
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: ilikebrunettes on September 11, 2010, 08:18:09 PM
So are your comments - no surpirse to see you comment when some one complains aboutthe manager

keep worshipping Moyes...

Plenty are beginning to realise
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: cambridge.blue on September 11, 2010, 08:19:35 PM
If this club was a horse, it would be put down, it is so sad to see this club plummet to new depths every week
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: dunkster on September 11, 2010, 08:20:00 PM
coleman - first cross - cracker
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: Hannibal Lecter on September 11, 2010, 08:20:09 PM
Goal attempts 17 - 10
Goals 1 - 3
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: taffytoffee on September 11, 2010, 08:20:24 PM
coleman just put a beutiful cross more than hibbo done all game
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: biffmalibu on September 11, 2010, 08:20:40 PM
Anyone know the last time we had 1 in 4?
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: charlatan on September 11, 2010, 08:22:23 PM
If it hadn't been for Howard, would have been a cricket score.  But hey, dont criticise Moyes
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: Hannibal Lecter on September 11, 2010, 08:22:47 PM
coleman - first cross - cracker
But he needs to sort out his defending first...

To be more like our other defenders, and become more defensive reliable like for example Distin
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: cambridge.blue on September 11, 2010, 08:22:56 PM
What is the point of Moyes making new signings when he insists on playing the same old dross week in week our, ie Osman & Hibbert
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: Sprooly on September 11, 2010, 08:22:58 PM
ommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmg
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: Hannibal Lecter on September 11, 2010, 08:23:13 PM
And Osman is still huffing and puffing...
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: taffytoffee on September 11, 2010, 08:23:21 PM
fuck off ossie you prick
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: .Matty on September 11, 2010, 08:23:24 PM
Osman you fucking nipple
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: kunal32 on September 11, 2010, 08:23:37 PM
I really really really hope to god we have a SHIT season this year because every season Bullshit billy gets taken away from the limelight because of our decent finishes in the league.  The spot light has seriously now got to come down on Kenshite!!
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: dunkster on September 11, 2010, 08:24:04 PM
osman you prick
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: Fern on September 11, 2010, 08:25:16 PM
keep worshipping Moyes...

Plenty are beginning to realise

You carry on like he has abused you or something. He's done wonders for this cluband will continue to do just that
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: cambridge.blue on September 11, 2010, 08:25:22 PM
Yet again Osman shows his true quality, to perfectly honest he is a waste of mothers' milk  :wanker:
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: cad on September 11, 2010, 08:25:28 PM
I really really really hope to god we have a SHIT season this year because every season Bullshit billy gets taken away from the limelight because of our decent finishes in the league.  The spot light has seriously now got to come down on Kenshite!!

If the first month is anything to go by, your boat has just come in...
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: cambridge.blue on September 11, 2010, 08:26:01 PM
But he needs to sort out his defending first...

To be more like our other defenders, and become more defensive reliable like for example Distin

 :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: ilikebrunettes on September 11, 2010, 08:26:35 PM
You carry on like he has abused you or something. He's done wonders for this cluband will continue to do just that

some of us have ambition of winning things. Moyes never will
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: dunkster on September 11, 2010, 08:26:57 PM
should have brought on yak and coleman before
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: bravison on September 11, 2010, 08:27:01 PM
Watching the Premier Leage Preview and heard an interesting stat. Everton have had 25 shots on target in the opening three games - with only one goal scored (4%) vs. 13 shots on target from their three opponents, conceding three goals (23%).

If we keep needing 25 shots on goal to score a single goal, yet letting in a goal every 4 shots (or thereabouts) - this is going to be a long season! Needs sorting, hopefully starting today. COYB!

Looks like it's going to be the same ratio of goals/shots again. Lots of shots, lots of posession - lack of killer instinct.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: cambridge.blue on September 11, 2010, 08:27:08 PM
At last........ people are seeing just how awful Osman is
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: taffytoffee on September 11, 2010, 08:28:42 PM
3 good games a season is all we get out of Distin and then he turns to the utter shite we've seen from him today

moyes only picks him cause hes got a left foot its a joke
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: Hannibal Lecter on September 11, 2010, 08:29:37 PM
moyes only picks him cause hes got a left foot its a joke
Well so do I... And I don't get picked!

Edit: And just like Distin I can't use it either!
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: charlatan on September 11, 2010, 08:30:35 PM
This could have been double figures.  Fucking embarassing
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: .Matty on September 11, 2010, 08:30:38 PM
Yakubu needs to be starting from now on.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: dunkster on September 11, 2010, 08:31:23 PM
fucking hell. good freekick position wasted
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: taffytoffee on September 11, 2010, 08:32:36 PM
Well so do I... And I don't get picked!
left footed i mean im sure you would do better than him anyway
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: ilikebrunettes on September 11, 2010, 08:32:46 PM
see the flat track Bully Arteta has shown his £75k a week value

If Pienaar isnt being offered the same, then its a disgrace
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: Blueney-tunes on September 11, 2010, 08:33:01 PM
Hibbo had a really good game, were as Osman has been dogsh*t
so the question I have to ask Coleman on for Hibbo???!?!

The right team isnt being picked at the start + shoddy tactices = me losing my faith in the manager.

subs at 3-1 down at home which should have taken place once we were 2-1 down ffs!

Midfielder upfront, 2 defensive midfielders (johnny Felli) Ossie on the wing WHATTHEFUCK IS GOING ON?!?!?!

Moyes is seriously losing it.... as am i!
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: charlatan on September 11, 2010, 08:35:39 PM
This is without Utd's best player lets not forget
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: Hannibal Lecter on September 11, 2010, 08:37:47 PM
INSANE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: cad on September 11, 2010, 08:37:59 PM
Fucking hell!!!

Why can't every game be the last 5 minutes....
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: Azz on September 11, 2010, 08:38:31 PM
:D  :D : D :D
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: charlatan on September 11, 2010, 08:39:15 PM
3-3.  Fucking let off
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: Hannibal Lecter on September 11, 2010, 08:40:13 PM
Distin should be given a break.. For about four years!
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: Thom on September 11, 2010, 08:40:21 PM
How the fuck have we just done that!? Typical Everton taking years off my life again.

That all said, still not happy at Moyes at all.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: Sensei on September 11, 2010, 08:40:56 PM
LOL~!!!
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: taffytoffee on September 11, 2010, 08:41:09 PM
distin almost blew it right at the end hes got to be dropped next week
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: Craig_1878 on September 11, 2010, 08:41:09 PM
:)
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: Hannibal Lecter on September 11, 2010, 08:41:27 PM
How the fuck have we just done that!? Typical Everton taking years off my life again.

That all said, still not happy at Moyes at all.
Completely agree
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: charlatan on September 11, 2010, 08:41:35 PM
How the fuck have we just done that!? Typical Everton taking years off my life again.

That all said, still not happy at Moyes at all.

This.  Imagine how good we could be if he picked the right side at the start instead of all his favourites :headbang:
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: HarveyKendallBall on September 11, 2010, 08:42:03 PM
Useless flat track bully  ;)
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: Azz on September 11, 2010, 08:42:44 PM
Uchhh... so I guess we don't need a striker because we can score goals. 


A part from first 30 odd minutes, we could convert anything.  Osman needs to fuck off so does Distin. 
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: .Matty on September 11, 2010, 08:42:47 PM
Speachless
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: dunkster on September 11, 2010, 08:43:26 PM
lads talk me through the ending when distin gave away the corner right at the end. i shit myself at 3-3 and legged it outside.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: chang on September 11, 2010, 08:44:34 PM
Wonder how the "fans" feel who left the ground early?

What a finish, well done all, except Distin you numpty.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: Sensei on September 11, 2010, 08:44:41 PM
triple this
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: Ridge on September 11, 2010, 08:44:50 PM
That was slightly exciting, that ref blowing then was highly dubious.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: ilikebrunettes on September 11, 2010, 08:45:00 PM
Excuse me lads... im back from running down the front street
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: cantoffee on September 11, 2010, 08:45:08 PM
Good result in the end, and we probably should've had the chance to win it at the end, albeit undeservedly. The team that ended that game should start the next one, with Heitinga in for Distin. Not too happy with Moyes but a bit of luck may just kick start our season now, roll on next week.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: dunkster on September 11, 2010, 08:45:59 PM
distin was poor today. looks sluggish and an accident waiting to happen.

moyes its fucking simple - play the yak with cahill behind him. arteta and fellaini in middle, coleman right back and heitinga for distin.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: Fern on September 11, 2010, 08:46:15 PM
Unreal well done. We really should have done better defensively. It is a MUST Moyes to drop Osman and Distin. Play Heitinga with Jags - let them get a good partnership going and bring in Gueye or anichebe for Osman. We'll be ok.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: Fern on September 11, 2010, 08:46:32 PM
Excuse me lads... im back from running down the front street

Go back out!
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: dunkster on September 11, 2010, 08:46:37 PM
did anyone else bolt their load when arteta equalised?
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: Ridge on September 11, 2010, 08:47:36 PM
did anyone else bolt their load when arteta equalised?
I clapped my hands so hard, think I might have sprained my favourite hand.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: Trowel on September 11, 2010, 08:47:43 PM
Surreal - we were so poor at times, and United were very, very comfortable. Gave us a masterclass in how to run a game with simple balls.

Let's not forget that Tim Howard earned us that point.

And Martin Atkinson must have a Jonny Evans shirt at home.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: dunkster on September 11, 2010, 08:48:37 PM
fucking hell lads -WHAT happened at the end after the corner that distin gave away at 3-3???
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: ilikebrunettes on September 11, 2010, 08:50:02 PM
are the referees supposed to blow for full time when a team is attacking?

they can blow whenever. But since the same dickhead ref added 30secs a goal on for the mancs last season...

dubious
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: montanatoffeefan on September 11, 2010, 08:50:50 PM
That was slightly exciting, that ref blowing then was highly dubious.

Fuck dubious. That was fucking egregious and scandalous. The three minutes wasn't even up yet, was it? Imagine if Jags shot had gone in...then Atkinson runs up to wave it off. Would have been a riot as surely as following a Hibbert hatrick. 
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: Ridge on September 11, 2010, 08:51:08 PM
are the referees supposed to blow for full time when a team is attacking?
Especially when you have two goals to add time for, totalling maybe 40 seconds. Jags didn't put it in the net, but the whistle might have put him off, very dubious.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: bloody scally on September 11, 2010, 08:51:28 PM
I love you again Everton.


I would have upgraded from a fanatic to a stalker of Jagielka had he scored in that last chance. And we can not accomodate such poor defending from Distin. We need a new ST (despite Yak looking good when he came on), R' side and CM (to push John Heitinga back to CB). I'm not going to write about the only we can sign such players as it will ruin this thread.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: cantoffee on September 11, 2010, 08:51:30 PM
are the referees supposed to blow for full time when a team is attacking?

that was outrageous, i completely understand why moyes nearly killed him
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: blueToffee on September 11, 2010, 08:52:01 PM
Unbelivable. Although strangely I always thought we were going to come back into it.

That said, definitely don't play that way again. The plan is simple from now on...

Distin to the bench, Heitinga starts at CB with Jags.
Yak starts, he's still our best striker and if he needs a few games to get to his best then so be it. He did so well with his back to goal today.
Coleman is given more time - we need more of a threat down that side.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: montanatoffeefan on September 11, 2010, 08:52:16 PM
I clapped my hands so hard, think I might have sprained my favourite hand.

I've done that before...but not from clapping.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: cambridge.blue on September 11, 2010, 08:52:50 PM
Time for the dead wood to be floated away, Hibbert, Osman and Distin, cap in hand , bring back Joey from Turkey
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: bloody scally on September 11, 2010, 08:53:35 PM
that was outrageous, i completely understand why moyes nearly killed him

This. Had Jag's been put off by the whistle blowing I wonder? (most likely not but something to think about)
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: cantoffee on September 11, 2010, 08:56:44 PM
This. Had Jag's been put off by the whistle blowing I wonder? (most likely not but something to think about)

As someone else said (montana?) what if we had scored? Atkinson would've been torn limb from limb by a furious mob, suppose it didn't happen but still, looks like he applied some sort of Fergie time, where Manchester United get a chance to win but not their opponents.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: montanatoffeefan on September 11, 2010, 08:57:48 PM
Unbelivable. Although strangely I always thought we were going to come back into it.

You should grab a crystal ball and open up a shop then. That's an astonishing bit of prognosticating considering how far out of it we looked.

Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: cantoffee on September 11, 2010, 08:57:58 PM
Anyone else pissed off (with moyes/ref), yet still smiling from ear to ear? Odd feeling this.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: Tinga on September 11, 2010, 08:58:53 PM
Can't believe that.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: charlatan on September 11, 2010, 08:59:30 PM
Anyone else pissed off (with moyes/ref), yet still smiling from ear to ear? Odd feeling this.

Yup, definitely.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: Sprooly on September 11, 2010, 08:59:48 PM
Has that just changed our season i think it might have
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: BluKnows on September 11, 2010, 09:00:36 PM
Unbelivable. Although strangely I always thought we were going to come back into it.

That said, definitely don't play that way again. The plan is simple from now on...

Distin to the bench, Heitinga starts at CB with Jags.
Yak starts, he's still our best striker and if he needs a few games to get to his best then so be it. He did so well with his back to goal today.
Coleman is given more time - we need more of a threat down that side.

Distin, Hibbert and Osman are not good enough to be playing at this level. I really don't see how anyone can disagree with that!
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: charlatan on September 11, 2010, 09:00:50 PM
Has that just changed our season i think it might have

Not unless it changes Moyes' starting lineup as well
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: cantoffee on September 11, 2010, 09:01:26 PM
Now Im starting to laugh in some sort of hysterical manner, Im still so mad though!
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: HarveyKendallBall on September 11, 2010, 09:05:19 PM
I can understand people being annoyed with Moyes, but to be fair, I think a bigger problem today was poor individual errors - especially from Distin, but Heitinga and Fellaini were both guilty of lapses of concentration.

He did try to bring the Yak and Seamus on before the 3rd goal, when we were getting forward at 2-1 down. I'm not sure whether having made the change five minutes earlier would have prevented Distin's poor positioning against Berbatov.

Mainly, I'm delighted that it's 3 years without a win for the Mancs at Goodison now, and I do feel that this might be the spark we need to kick on. If we can put 3 points on the board against Newcastle next week, I'll be feeling a lot happier.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: montanatoffeefan on September 11, 2010, 09:05:41 PM
Anyone else pissed off (with moyes/ref), yet still smiling from ear to ear? Odd feeling this.

Completely. Love the man, and will defend him against almost any attack. But I don't think I could defend Moyes any better right now than Distin and Baines did our goal today. There were times in the second half when I wanted to do to Moyes what he wanted to do to Atkinson after the final whistle.

He really needs to get it right for the next game.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: chang on September 11, 2010, 09:06:04 PM
Maybe a better way to end a game would be as they do in rugby, in other words next time the ball goes dead after "time"

I actually thought this game exposed us for exactly what we are, it also showed what we do best.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: Sprooly on September 11, 2010, 09:07:21 PM
i thought yak was pretty good when he came on so hopefully he continues that
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: dunkster on September 11, 2010, 09:10:17 PM
fucking strange feeling i am having. feel like we won the game.

osman and hibbert need to be replaced.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: montanatoffeefan on September 11, 2010, 09:10:42 PM
i thought yak was pretty good when he came on so hopefully he continues that

This. Yak brings so much more to the attack than just scoring goals. That hold up and pass off he did was brilliant. Can't wait to see him starting again. Be nice if Victor got back soon, too.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: dunkster on September 11, 2010, 09:12:40 PM
the yak needs game time for fitness and chances to score. play him and replace him when he is tired (around 60 mins) with beckford to make his own impact.
we need the yak he IS VERY good you know.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: Ong-Timus Prime on September 11, 2010, 09:13:36 PM
I'm more worried about Distin than Osman.
Osman was played out of position. What's Distin's excuse?
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: dunkster on September 11, 2010, 09:15:29 PM
yeah but you all championed distin last game and said jagielka was the weak link.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: Ridge on September 11, 2010, 09:16:29 PM
Anyone going to credit Cahill for getting us back into the game or helping set up the winner. Or playing the ball for Arteta, in Pienaar's goal.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: charlatan on September 11, 2010, 09:17:11 PM
I can understand people being annoyed with Moyes, but to be fair, I think a bigger problem today was poor individual errors - especially from Distin, but Heitinga and Fellaini were both guilty of lapses of concentration.

It's poor individual errors every week, by the same people every week, that never get dropped.  Moyes' wanted fucking for that starting lineup today, and thats not hindsight, I posted that at 12pm.

If he wants to get the season back on track he needs to man up and make up with Yakubu over whatever it is they have fallen out over
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: blueToffee on September 11, 2010, 09:17:16 PM
You should grab a crystal ball and open up a shop then. That's an astonishing bit of prognosticating considering how far out of it we looked.



I know it was one of those weird football feelings that something will play out a certain way and after the fact you regret not betting on it. But if I had I'm sure it never would have happened.

Doesn't everyone get those from time to time? :)
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: Silas on September 11, 2010, 09:17:45 PM
Distins run of good form is over then.  He was terrible today.  He was lucky jags played well and Howard was outstanding.  Hibbert had a poor game today and Fellaini just looked really uncomfortable.  Great result today though, Moyes tried something different that didn,t work but at least he changed things.  So good to see the Yak, missed the fucker
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: cantoffee on September 11, 2010, 09:18:48 PM
But he's just not good enough for us anymore Ridge!
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: charlatan on September 11, 2010, 09:19:48 PM
Thought Fellaini was awful til he was played in his normal position later on, where he then bossed things.  Any surprise though, given the fact he isnt a centre forward?
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: chang on September 11, 2010, 09:20:46 PM
Mancs not taking it too well  ;D

http://www.redcafe.net/f6/two-bad-points-dropped-308409/ (http://www.redcafe.net/f6/two-bad-points-dropped-308409/)

post 9  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: montanatoffeefan on September 11, 2010, 09:21:00 PM
I know it was one of those weird football feelings that something will play out a certain way you and after the fact you regret not betting on it. But if I had I'm sure it never would have happened.

Doesn't everyone get those from time to time? :)

Yeah, but I'm usually about 20 quid the poorer for it.

I think I would have turned down 100-1 odds for us getting a point out of today after they scored their third.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: cantoffee on September 11, 2010, 09:21:31 PM
Really hope Yak can get up to fitness over the net couple weeks, we need him.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: Ridge on September 11, 2010, 09:21:47 PM
But he's just not good enough for us anymore Ridge!
Good point, it was all Coleman's introduction that did it.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: cantoffee on September 11, 2010, 09:22:47 PM
Good point, it was all Coleman's introduction that did it.

Him and Fernandes.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: HarveyKendallBall on September 11, 2010, 09:24:54 PM
It's poor individual errors every week, by the same people every week, that never get dropped.  Moyes' wanted fucking for that starting lineup today, and thats not hindsight, I posted that at 12pm.

If he wants to get the season back on track he needs to man up and make up with Yakubu over whatever it is they have fallen out over

The players who Moyes is accused of never dropping are usually Neville, Osman, Hibbert, no?

There may be a case for criticising Osman, but Neville was dropped, and I didn't see any glaring errors from Hibbert today.

As for the Yakubu situation, it seems from other fora that his problem is not with Moyes himself - but whatever the reason he looked hungrier and more focussed coming on today than he has in a while, and I for one hope we'll see that continue, because he could be the solution to our current problems up front, especially allowing Beckford to come on when defenses are tiring later on.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: blueToffee on September 11, 2010, 09:27:46 PM
Good point, it was all Coleman's introduction that did it.

Coleman did at least give them something to think about as we were very predicatable and it probably was the reason they switched things up with Evra coming off. Or maybe they just thought it was in the bag. Either way I thought he put in a good cross and Evra should have been carded for his dive to trip him up.

Biggest difference was Yak though. Partly as it meant everyone went back to their beet positions.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: chang on September 11, 2010, 09:30:21 PM
47 minutes as they scored their 2nd Sky commentator  " Vidic scored the winning goal here in 2007 and it looks like he's done it again"

89 minutes - Andy Gray - "Man United just playing the clock down now, playing keep ball"

Do these people get paid for sharing their wisdom?
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: cantoffee on September 11, 2010, 09:31:29 PM
Im interested to see the match ratings, Pienaar probably MOTM, although you could easily make a case for Cahill who had a hand in all three goals and lead the line admirably.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: dunkster on September 11, 2010, 09:31:46 PM
he plays well with the yak. mainly because the yak demands a lot of attention from the centre backs and free's up space for cahill. Play them together.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: Silas on September 11, 2010, 09:35:46 PM
Im interested to see the match ratings, Pienaar probably MOTM, although you could easily make a case for Cahill who had a hand in all three goals and lead the line admirably.
GOod call but i cant look beyond Howard who was just excellent today and kept us in it.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: bloody scally on September 11, 2010, 09:36:41 PM
47 minutes as they scored their 2nd Sky commentator  " Vidic scored the winning goal here in 2007 and it looks like he's done it again"

Do these people get paid for sharing their wisdom?

Funny that he tried to sound knowledgable.
. o 0 O [Throw in a fact I have written down and everyone will think I am a great commentator]
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: cantoffee on September 11, 2010, 09:36:53 PM
GOod call but i cant look beyond Howard who was just excellent today and kept us in it.

Good point, save of the year on that Scholes shot!
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: cantoffee on September 11, 2010, 09:38:53 PM
Reading red cafe got this gem off of there about the last goal

"Arteta could of done a war dance around the ball before anyone would have got near him."
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: Ridge on September 11, 2010, 09:42:03 PM
Im interested to see the match ratings, Pienaar probably MOTM, although you could easily make a case for Cahill who had a hand in all three goals and lead the line admirably.
GOod call but i cant look beyond Howard who was just excellent today and kept us in it.
Howard was superb, but I don't like giving the keeper the MOM when its not one sided. Couple of sensational saves, but I think it has to go to Coleman for his initiative and general greatness beyond any of the goalscorers or players involved in the goals.

We had more shots on target, off target, corners and possession, only stat they had more was fouls, thats a vastly different collection of stats to United games from a few years back.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: HarveyKendallBall on September 11, 2010, 09:44:19 PM

We had more shots on target, off target, corners and possession, only stat they had more was fouls, thats a vastly different collection of stats to United games from a few years back.

Absolutely.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: bluestevie on September 11, 2010, 09:51:31 PM
fantastic comeback by us when all looked lost. still find it astonishing that we played two midfielders up front when we had two perfectly good forwards on the bench.

the subs were baffling though, should have been osman and distin off with heitinga pushed to centre back and coleman right wing. that has to be the way forward against the toon next week
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: Dean0 on September 11, 2010, 09:55:52 PM
fucking got off after 90 minutes. got half way down gwladys street road end, herd a roar n was liek shite!!!!
got to the betting shop at the end and a bag of chips went up in the air!!
Match of the day for me ! haha
Seriously shite performance though. Static midfield-attack. Peanuts was the only one trying.
hibbert had a good game. dunno why people are slating him!! shudda took ossie off for coleman instead.
good result against the black n whites nxt week and we'll be back on track .
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: 5yeararteta on September 11, 2010, 10:01:40 PM
just read all your views on the game, and if we can see how bad osman and hibbert are why doesnt moyes?????why be loyal to 2 players who are awful.  even cahill, what he did was great in the last 2mins, however i no its not his normal position but he has been shocking for the rest of the game and the games i have seen so far he has been just as bad. Agree its time to have heitinga go centre back also,distin worries me the way yobo use to. both good centre backs but dont feel safe with them at all.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: cantoffee on September 11, 2010, 10:03:21 PM
just read all your views on the game, and if we can see how bad osman and hibbert are why doesnt moyes?????why be loyal to 2 players who are awful.  even cahill, what he did was great in the last 2mins, however i no its not his normal position but he has been shocking for the rest of the game and the games i have seen so far he has been just as bad. Agree its time to have heitinga go centre back also,distin worries me the way yobo use to. both good centre backs but dont feel safe with them at all.

Can you really knock Cahill? Even if he was "shocking" for the rest of the game (he wasn't btw), he had a hand in all three goals, no matter how poorly someone plays that is still a massive contribution to the team.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: dekko on September 11, 2010, 10:05:24 PM
fantastic comeback by us when all looked lost. still find it astonishing that we played two midfielders up front when we had two perfectly good forwards on the bench.

the subs were baffling though, should have been osman and distin off with heitinga pushed to centre back and coleman right wing. that has to be the way forward against the toon next week


I completely agree, Distin fukd up on Berbas goal, Moyes shouldve used the opportunity to send the players a message to gethim sub, if u fuk up, u're out. Heitinga is a much better player than Distin; Distin is ok, don't get me wrong, but he's old and slow, and that will costs goals, cause any quick forward will beat him.
As for Osman, cmon Moyes!! How many more games will he start and do nothing? And the goal he missed!!!
Moyes should ve taken him off and play Seamus on the wing, Hibbo plays ok defensively so would be a good cover for him.
And the Yak, should be starting every game from now on, he was hungry and needs games to get back to his best.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: Confucius on September 11, 2010, 10:11:02 PM
United ere dangerous with the ball but the number of chances we squandered today was unreal. I thought Cahill was very good, held up the ball and brought Pienaar into it who was MOM. Hibbert was good again, Osman, as good as he gets sadly on the right.
Fellaini bossed midfield once played there. Howard superb but again, just 2 points thrown away I reckon
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: Ridge on September 11, 2010, 10:11:27 PM
When Hibbert, Osman, Neville, Distin  and now Cahill have good games, everyone doesn't say a thing about them. Other than a couple of people still criticising like they noticed one mistake which was good enough to blind them to the rest of their contributions.

But Moyes has his favourites like some sort of blind idiot.

Aslo teh spellnig on thsi stie is afwlu.

Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: 5yeararteta on September 11, 2010, 10:15:45 PM
Can you really knock Cahill? Even if he was "shocking" for the rest of the game (he wasn't btw), he had a hand in all three goals, no matter how poorly someone plays that is still a massive contribution to the team.

the first goal to be honest i didnt see that cahill was involved so was wrong if he did well in that attack.. however what else did he do???i no is hard to knock somone who set up the 2 goals i see, however i think the header he scored any player should score that wasnt a difficult one. and with regards to other games i have seen he hasnt done anything. think if you had 2 up front or a different attack midfielder - hence why i think everyone was saying about rodwell taking his place.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: TheRam on September 11, 2010, 10:22:15 PM
Fuck me we just came back from 3-1 down against Man United and people are still avin a go at Moyes for his subs.For me Yakubu changed the game when he came on as did Coleman, and I believe us coming back from 3-1 down was down to Moyes.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: charlatan on September 11, 2010, 10:25:36 PM
Fuck me we just came back from 3-1 down against Man United and people are still avin a go at Moyes for his subs.For me Yakubu changed the game when he came on as did Coleman, and I believe us coming back from 3-1 down was down to Moyes.

I think u'll find they were more upset that the substitutions took as long as they did, than who was subbed.  Being 3-1 down to Man U was also down to Moyes.  Granted, Distin was awful, but so was the side he picked in the first place.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: Rhys on September 11, 2010, 10:38:11 PM
people are having a go at his first team selection from what I can see, not his subs, and given that his starting 11 were 3-1 down before his subs, then he has to take some responsibility for that

But that was the best team to play. We were more than in the game but for defensive errors. Heitinga letting fletcher go, Baines not closing down either cross and Distin losing Vidic then Distin completely losing the plot.

Yak wasnt fit and you cant have that for 90minutes against United. We needed someone up front who would battle, hold the ball up and give them a tough ride. Cahill did that. Next week, Yak in 100% and play him until he is fit because he is easily our best forward.

What did Hibbert do wrong today? He had a good game, just as he has done every game this season. Osman did ok, not great and should have scored but he isnt a winger but you know what you will get from him whereas Coleman and Bily you dont, which is why he played.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: 5yeararteta on September 11, 2010, 10:38:54 PM
can you imagine the delight when you look at a team sheet - u see the opposition best defensive mid is playing attacking midfied - you only have to worry about the left side of a pitch because the right consist of hibbert and osman and you havent got an actual forward to worry about so runs behind the defenders are non exsistant.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: Rhys on September 11, 2010, 10:41:24 PM
can you imagine the delight when you look at a team sheet - u see the opposition best defensive mid is playing attacking midfied - you only have to worry about the left side of a pitch because the right consist of hibbert and osman and you havent got an actual forward to worry about so runs behind the defenders are non exsistant.

And yet we managed more shots, corners and possession than one of the best teams in the world. Just shows you football isnt played on paper.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: 5yeararteta on September 11, 2010, 10:46:37 PM
And yet we managed more shots, corners and possession than one of the best teams in the world. Just shows you football isnt played on paper.

we had more possession against all team we played this year, def more corners and more shots i would guess - just shows how misleading stats can be. can have all possession in the world but if you dont create goal scoring chances means nothing.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: cantoffee on September 11, 2010, 10:47:36 PM

the first goal to be honest i didnt see that cahill was involved so was wrong if he did well in that attack.. however what else did he do???i no is hard to knock somone who set up the 2 goals i see, however i think the header he scored any player should score that wasnt a difficult one. and with regards to other games i have seen he hasnt done anything. think if you had 2 up front or a different attack midfielder - hence why i think everyone was saying about rodwell taking his place.

I really don't know what you expect him to do when he hassles Vidic and Evans all day and wins balls on his own. His hold up play was pretty good, and we put in very few (if any) good crosses before his goal, which not every player would have scored by the way, he out jumped two men and was pushed from behind and still steered and unstoppable header into the net. Then he was able to head back to Arteta after the cross had taken a deflection of Fellaini. If a player plays poorly all game (which he didn't) and scores a goal, sets up another, and plays a big role in another (he's the one who sent Arteta away on the break btw) is that really a poor game? There is no way I can say that Rodwell would not have contributed as much as Cahill did today, but it's highly unlikely.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: chang on September 11, 2010, 10:47:37 PM
Did any of their 3 goals down the Hibbert / Osman side?

Nope, all from the other side....
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: 5yeararteta on September 11, 2010, 10:51:20 PM
Did any of their 3 goals down the Hibbert / Osman side?

Nope, all from the other side....
was osmans crossing good no. was osmans passing good no(bar the goal wat wasnt a hard pass) was hibberts crossing good no. did any of the goals come from there side no.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: cantoffee on September 11, 2010, 10:58:14 PM
was osmans crossing good no. was osmans passing good no(bar the goal wat wasnt a hard pass) was hibberts crossing good no. did any of the goals come from there side no.

That pass to Pienaar was not as simple as it seemed, a bouncing ball, first time, under pressure. He had a poor game, but there's no need to take away one of his few good moments.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: 5yeararteta on September 11, 2010, 10:59:33 PM
I really don't know what you expect him to do when he hassles Vidic and Evans all day and wins balls on his own. His hold up play was pretty good, and we put in very few (if any) good crosses before his goal, which not every player would have scored by the way, he out jumped two men and was pushed from behind and still steered and unstoppable header into the net. Then he was able to head back to Arteta after the cross had taken a deflection of Fellaini. If a player plays poorly all game (which he didn't) and scores a goal, sets up another, and plays a big role in another (he's the one who sent Arteta away on the break btw) is that really a poor game? There is no way I can say that Rodwell would not have contributed as much as Cahill did today, but it's highly unlikely.

his hold up play wasnt great at all- he fell over so many time trying to win fouls. ( i no some was fouls) i didnt  think he won  the header he was in between 2 defenders and was a great cross went over the first man. from wat i see if i was wrong then i apologise.a forward like beck or yak or saha should finish this i believe. guess i will see on match of the day. and like i said does sound silly a man settin up 1 goal and scoring saying his not good enough however this does incude the other games his plays so far that i am complaining about.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: 5yeararteta on September 11, 2010, 11:01:29 PM
That pass to Pienaar was not as simple as it seemed, a bouncing ball, first time, under pressure. He had a poor game, but there's no need to take away one of his few good moments.

lol i have to mate - if my mate didnt complete that pass on a sunday league game i would go mad.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: cantoffee on September 11, 2010, 11:12:16 PM
his hold up play wasnt great at all- he fell over so many time trying to win fouls. ( i no some was fouls) i didnt  think he won  the header he was in between 2 defenders and was a great cross went over the first man. from wat i see if i was wrong then i apologise.a forward like beck or yak or saha should finish this i believe. guess i will see on match of the day. and like i said does sound silly a man settin up 1 goal and scoring saying his not good enough however this does incude the other games his plays so far that i am complaining about.

He hasn't played that poorly this year though, we haven't created the chances for him to score, and he has scored before today. If anything Arteta has contributed less, but I don't see the criticism being directed at him.

Cahill is more technically proficient than people think, but he also knows his limits and tends to play within them, he doesn't dwell on the ball and makes short, quick, and generally simple passes. We look for our creativity to come from Arteta and our left wing, and we look for our goals to come from our striker and Cahill. He contributes to the play by keeping the ball moving and getting the creative players involved, while also getting on the end of crosses.

His hold up play was fine, I really don't know what you expect from a player of his size, the only person on our squad more capable of holding up the ball and linking with the midfield is Yakubu, which is why we play our best football with both of them up top.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: Ridge on September 11, 2010, 11:18:05 PM
his hold up play wasnt great at all- he fell over so many time trying to win fouls. ( i no some was fouls) i didnt  think he won  the header he was in between 2 defenders and was a great cross went over the first man. from wat i see if i was wrong then i apologise.a forward like beck or yak or saha should finish this i believe. guess i will see on match of the day. and like i said does sound silly a man settin up 1 goal and scoring saying his not good enough however this does incude the other games his plays so far that i am complaining about.
You can credit for Baines cross, but not Cahill's header?

Yak turned and put a cross similar to Nani's cross, but there wasn't a Feltcher to put it in.

I can imagine you thinking of Rooney's goals last year, that your mate in sunday league could have finished 90% of. There tends to be more than a final touch that makes a goal, great players make things look easy.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: 5yeararteta on September 11, 2010, 11:22:13 PM
You can credit for Baines cross, but not Cahill's header?

Yak turned and put a cross similar to Nani's cross, but there wasn't a Feltcher to put it in.

I can imagine you thinking of Rooney's goals last year, that your mate in sunday league could have finished 90% of. There tends to be more than a final touch that makes a goal, great players make things look easy.

no im saying he did well to finish it but many players would have not missed that header .and osmans pass was easy
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: Ridge on September 11, 2010, 11:26:10 PM
no im saying he did well to finish it but many players would have not missed that header .and osmans pass was easy
Not many players would have got to the ball, let alone finish it.

Osman's pass wasn't that difficult, but he was there and passed it to a excellent position, also plenty of players would have taken the shot themselves.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: 5yeararteta on September 11, 2010, 11:30:00 PM
He hasn't played that poorly this year though, we haven't created the chances for him to score, and he has scored before today. If anything Arteta has contributed less, but I don't see the criticism being directed at him.

Cahill is more technically proficient than people think, but he also knows his limits and tends to play within them, he doesn't dwell on the ball and makes short, quick, and generally simple passes. We look for our creativity to come from Arteta and our left wing, and we look for our goals to come from our striker and Cahill. He contributes to the play by keeping the ball moving and getting the creative players involved, while also getting on the end of crosses.

His hold up play was fine, I really don't know what you expect from a player of his size, the only person on our squad more capable of holding up the ball and linking with the midfield is Yakubu, which is why we play our best football with both of them up top.
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if he is more technically proficient then why doest he use it.he makes short passe thats it, never a killer ball never socres from outside the box. . and cahill plays simple fottball i understand that but what good is it an attack midfileder is someone who can open up a defense at least be a bit creative. and his hold up play was poor there are players lot smaller than him that would have one better than him.(however do belive the he was fouled a few times)
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: 5yeararteta on September 11, 2010, 11:32:56 PM
Not many players would have got to the ball, let alone finish it.

Osman's pass wasn't that difficult, but he was there and passed it to a excellent position, also plenty of players would have taken the shot themselves.

why wouldnt they have got to the ball?he was were all forwards should be. not hard to header a ball from were he was. and it was an easy pass.what was hard he had enought time and player was in front of him. lucky he didnt shot if his last shot was to go by.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: Jamokachi on September 11, 2010, 11:39:50 PM
This thread is hilarious.

Full of mini managers with all the answers.

Can I come and watch your teams play next weekend?
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: Ridge on September 11, 2010, 11:42:13 PM
why wouldnt they have got to the ball?he was were all forwards should be. not hard to header a ball from were he was. and it was an easy pass.what was hard he had enought time and player was in front of him. lucky he didnt shot if his last shot was to go by.
To be honest we should have just scored more goals if its that simple. Be where the ball is going to be played, kick the ball where keeper can't reach.

Also Tim Howard should never conceed a goal, as he should be in the way of the ball, just like all good goalkeepers.

I just realised I should have picked the winning lottery numbers rather than the losing numbers I keep picking.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: Ridge on September 11, 2010, 11:43:49 PM
This thread is hilarious.

Full of mini managers with all the answers.

Can I come and watch your teams play next weekend?
I was hoping for a multi coloured response from yourself.

You can come and watch my team next week, not sure which team it will be, dependant on how many people also pick the winning numbers.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: Jamokachi on September 11, 2010, 11:46:45 PM
That's ok mate, you don't strike me as one of the "mini managers" :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: cantoffee on September 11, 2010, 11:46:53 PM

if he is more technically proficient then why doest he use it.he makes short passe thats it, never a killer ball never socres from outside the box. . and cahill plays simple fottball i understand that but what good is it an attack midfileder is someone who can open up a defense at least be a bit creative. and his hold up play was poor there are players lot smaller than him that would have one better than him.(however do belive the he was fouled a few times)

What smaller player would have held the ball up better than him? Fucking hell that's daft. He doesn't play deep enough to deliver a killer ball, that's not his job, he tends to get on the end of a through ball and one touch to someone else or finish the play.

We shouldn't need more creative players on the field than Arteta, Pienaar, and arguably Baines. We could maybe use a creative player on the right side, and some more power (a combination of Coleman and Anichebe, although that may be dubious defensively), but through the middle and up top we don't need another terribly creative player.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: plumber on September 11, 2010, 11:54:07 PM
This thread is hilarious.

Full of mini managers with all the answers.

Can I come and watch your teams play next weekend?

This.
This forum is an assembly of pure geniuses.
Kenwright shouls read this. He could easily sign much better manager than Moyes and pay much less wages.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: cantoffee on September 11, 2010, 11:54:22 PM
This thread is hilarious.

Full of mini managers with all the answers.

Can I come and watch your teams play next weekend?

Touchline ban for me next week, strangled the referee's assistant last game.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: Ridge on September 11, 2010, 11:57:09 PM
Touchline ban for me next week, strangled the referee's assistant last game.
My new team could use someone like you, can you move and header like any good forward?
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: chang on September 11, 2010, 11:58:01 PM
Surley Ossies "pass" was a "shot" ...must of been. :whistle:
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: cantoffee on September 12, 2010, 12:06:00 AM
My new team could use someone like you, can you move and header like any good forward?

Only on occasion, particularly in derby matches, I do like to punch people in their faces though.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: 5yeararteta on September 12, 2010, 12:49:07 AM
This thread is hilarious.

Full of mini managers with all the answers.

Can I come and watch your teams play next weekend?
yep the under 6,s play this sunday in kent
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: 5yeararteta on September 12, 2010, 12:57:12 AM
To be honest we should have just scored more goals if its that simple. Be where the ball is going to be played, kick the ball where keeper can't reach.

Also Tim Howard should never conceed a goal, as he should be in the way of the ball, just like all good goalkeepers.

I just realised I should have picked the winning lottery numbers rather than the losing numbers I keep picking.

yes mate thats it.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: Sharky on September 12, 2010, 01:06:04 AM
told you we wouldnt win without Phil Neville... :snigger:
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: 5yeararteta on September 12, 2010, 01:07:37 AM
What smaller player would have held the ball up better than him? Fucking hell that's daft. He doesn't play deep enough to deliver a killer ball, that's not his job, he tends to get on the end of a through ball and one touch to someone else or finish the play.

We shouldn't need more creative players on the field than Arteta, Pienaar, and arguably Baines. We could maybe use a creative player on the right side, and some more power (a combination of Coleman and Anichebe, although that may be dubious defensively), but through the middle and up top we don't need another terribly creative player.

i ment players in general in the league that hold the ball up better than him - not an exscuse for size not to hold up a ball his not tiny.ok my point is without cahill hibbert and osman in out side we would win more games over the space of the year. and as attack mid i think they should offer somethin more than cahill does.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: Gash on September 12, 2010, 02:02:02 AM
Well, that was a bit of a roller coaster. Gutted for everyone that left early.  :snigger:

I thought we played well in the main, but we still have a problem in the final third of the pitch, all the nice passing leads to no end product, and we're still getting caught out at the back to easily. I left the ground feeling like it was a win though, considering we were dead and buried on 91 minutes. Great comeback and great spirit in the team.
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: Cods on September 12, 2010, 08:49:49 AM
But that was the best team to play. We were more than in the game but for defensive errors. Heitinga letting fletcher go, Baines not closing down either cross and Distin losing Vidic then Distin completely losing the plot.

Yak wasnt fit and you cant have that for 90minutes against United. We needed someone up front who would battle, hold the ball up and give them a tough ride. Cahill did that. Next week, Yak in 100% and play him until he is fit because he is easily our best forward.

What did Hibbert do wrong today? He had a good game, just as he has done every game this season. Osman did ok, not great and should have scored but he isnt a winger but you know what you will get from him whereas Coleman and Bily you dont, which is why he played.

Finally a sensible post in this thread.  A well-reasoned argument. 

The alternative some are suggesting ie. Yak and/or Beckford playing upfront - being given the runaround by the ManU defence, and our midfield overrun, how likely would it have been that we got anything from the game at all?

Our majority of possession was due to Moyes' choice, our control of the game in the large part was due to Moyes.  Best team put out considering the opposition, bar the individual mistakes, could even have snatched it. 
Title: Re: Everton vs Manchester United
Post by: Confucius on September 12, 2010, 09:47:11 AM
Well, that was a bit of a roller coaster. Gutted for everyone that left early.  :snigger:

I thought we played well in the main, but we still have a problem in the final third of the pitch, all the nice passing leads to no end product,

You picked a good one to go to Gash. Hope you enjoyed it.

As for the comment, ILB must be thrilled, we almost Arsenal