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Title: Moshiri
Post by: Ridge on November 02, 2017, 01:21:37 AM
We have had a few threads on Koeman, on Walsh as to addressing problems in terms of the team.

When Koeman was struggling he was blaming the recruitment and I think most see his point in terms of balance. With Walsh I think there are questions about some of the players and the maybe the fees, but we had to do a lot of business very quickly. Not only replacing key players, european fixtures, but with increased ambition and pockets. People knew Lukaku was going and we had money, there was no way to get around that, and Moshiri always talked about spending big, probably getting a bit ahead of things in terms of expectations.

But I'm starting to strongly suspect Sigurdsson is actually Moshiri's 'special' player. Walsh and Koeman rate him, but neither seems to want to own him and he has played a bit like an outcast. It ended up at the sort of figure I think someone higher up had to love.
Both Walsh and Koeman would have had a hard job convincing people to spend that sort of money or for what purpose.

For Walsh, that's not going to make a profit, and he doesn't really fit the mould of what Koeman wanted. I think it was a case that no one else was going to question the wisdom of the person in charge, that fits Moshiri better than anyone else given circumstances. It's clearly not the right tool for the job, its not a prudent investment and Koeman specifically said he had no creativity, I took that as a direct or indirect swipe at Sigurdsson given his assists.

Koeman had to go and I think that it was clear that Moshiri was one of the last few to believe it was going to work. But Unsworth was not really on his radar of interest, he wants someone with the results on paper, the excitement for the fans. But he's not given any encouragement or support to Unsworth, and seems to have already excluded in his mind. To be undermining after a couple of games is stupid.

Change direction decisively and don't panic when you've only just changed. If you give Unsworth 4 games, back him for the duration and don't undermine him. If you want to ensure survival, we could give Unsworth period to get team playing to introduce youngsters and give a new manager the start of a team. But put him under the knife from the off and what are you expecting? I can understand he wants control and authority and sees his project slipping down the pan, but I think we are in danger of getting a rotating deck chairs on titanic scenario. Lots of people want to settle for security early, but we have time and players to get out of this, but we need to build a bit of continuity.

I'm really not keen on the gossiping to Jim White, it's like he has a better idea or role than he needs. Sanchez, by all means break the bank for, but do we need to embarrass ourselves pleading for his affection, not long after the window has closed. He's not our player, he's a key player at a bigger club, it's embarrassing.

Chairmen are supposed to oversee, not to interfere and distract. There just seems too much desire to be the centre of attention in a way that even Kenwright appreciated he shouldn't. Say what you want about Kenwright, he knew his time to shine and when it was time to reflect or support a manager rather than scramble everything through anxiety and fear.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Ridge on November 02, 2017, 01:29:16 AM
And to be clear this is more intended as an observation or critique than a call to oust him or build resentment.

I know some will take exception to Kenwright being put in a favourable light. And I have huge appreciation for the direction the club is going under Moshiri with the new stadium and investing in the things we already did well to take them to another stage.

I just worry that some of the good work is getting undermined out of panic. Think he just needs to calm his shit down and we had lots more of these sorts of problems in Kenwright's early days. It's not all stuff you intuitively know, sometimes you want fans to know you want better, that you're trying your hardest, but sometimes you have to stand in the way of the turds being flung, not deflect them internally.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: blueToffee on November 02, 2017, 01:44:25 AM
I thought Koeman wanted Sigurdsson since the summer he came in..? I thought there were rumours or stories of that nature even back then. He didn't particularly rate Barkley at any stage is my personal opinion, hence all the calling him out comparative to other players.

So Koeman (IMO) wanted him out and we ended up with Rooney, Sigurdsson and Klaassen coming in.

I'd genuinely love to know the backroom thinking and who was pulling the strings on those picks. If any of those three was a vanity project for the sake of the board you'd have to wonder about Rooney. I tend to think though that wasn't that either, we were likely approached to see if we were interested and it went from there. Koeman always seemed on board with that one too. In fact, Koeman seemingly was on board with all of them...he only seems to have put his transfer problems at the feet of not getting in Giroud. To a certain extent, his plan while not probably leading to awesome football would have been a fair bit better with a player of that ability up front. So I doubt Sigurdsson was a misstep to him.

Overall though, I don't think aside from media interviews there has been any sign of Moshiri interfering in the transfer plans.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Cereal Killer on November 02, 2017, 02:20:21 AM
No, if it was Moshiri who really wanted Sigurdsson he'd of just paid the asking price rather than dicking around for ages over a few million
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Bluedylan on November 02, 2017, 02:28:42 AM
I like him, and have found very little to complain about in his time here. Not even that arsed about the Jim White stuff.

He's still got plenty to learn, no doubt, and the club probably does need a bit of an overhaul in some key positions, but I remember the pre-Moshiri days all too clearly and I look at some of the other foreign owners and am relieved that he's benevolent and not insane.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: blue slug on November 02, 2017, 02:30:45 AM
He makes cash available so all our problems are down to poor purchases and poor management simple as that
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: toffee_scot on November 02, 2017, 02:52:09 AM
But I'm starting to strongly suspect Sigurdsson is actually Moshiri's 'special' player. Walsh and Koeman rate him, but neither seems to want to own him and he has played a bit like an outcast. It ended up at the sort of figure I think someone higher up had to love.

I thought Koeman had wanted Sigurdsson ever since he was still the manager of Southampton, I think Koeman just struggled to utilise him properly because we had Rooney playing in the exact same role and the manager felt obliged to play Rooney as a guaranteed started for 90 minutes most games. If anything I think Rooney is the 'special' player that the board identified.

Both Walsh and Koeman would have had a hard job convincing people to spend that sort of money or for what purpose.

For Walsh, that's not going to make a profit, and he doesn't really fit the mould of what Koeman wanted. I think it was a case that no one else was going to question the wisdom of the person in charge, that fits Moshiri better than anyone else given circumstances. It's clearly not the right tool for the job, its not a prudent investment and Koeman specifically said he had no creativity, I took that as a direct or indirect swipe at Sigurdsson given his assists.

I wonder who actually controls the budget for transfers and other related fees at the club. From my understanding, Kenwright was the one who negotiated the Sigurdsson deal as he was the one who mentioned to the player he would get the deal done but it would take time. Very little is known about Walsh's remit at the club except he helped identify players for the manager, basically a chief scout of some sort.

Moshiri's background is in accounting, so I would have thought he would be the one most concerned about the books at the club. Since he's been a shareholder at the club, we have done much better on the business side of things including securing more lucrative sponsorship deals in certain areas.

Sometimes though, clubs just have to buy a player entering their peak years (27-30yrs) because they are more likely to hit the ground running with their quality and instantly improve a side. You can't always view these deals in terms of re-sale value. The club probably genuinely thought Sigurdsson was the player who would transform Everton from just a top 7 side into a top-4 competing side.

Chairmen are supposed to oversee, not to interfere and distract. There just seems too much desire to be the centre of attention in a way that even Kenwright appreciated he shouldn't. Say what you want about Kenwright, he knew his time to shine and when it was time to reflect or support a manager rather than scramble everything through anxiety and fear.

Moshiri's PR strategy is still something I don't quite understand. He hasn't really been shown interacting or speaking directly to the Everton fans except one FA Cup victory against Chelsea and then the AGM last year. He seems to have kept largely a low profile except on transfer deadline day or occasionally he would message Jim White with some of his comments have been cringe-worthy at best. To be fair Kenwright has also had some sound bites that would have come back to haunt him like "watch this space" during a disappointing transfer window or "what a manager" a couple of months before Martinez was sacked.

I wouldn't say Moshiri wants to be the centre of attention but I think he is still coming to terms with being the big shot at a big club and has had to make some major decisions and plans for managerial changes, implementing a director of football structure and of course improving the business side of things where he is probably more comfortable working within. 





 
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Simon Paul on November 02, 2017, 03:00:59 AM
Well the reason we were linked with Sissoko was because Moshiri was "desperate" to make a marquee signing and spend £30m on one player. He didn't seem to care who it was apparently, he just wanted to make a statement.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Confucius on November 02, 2017, 03:04:42 AM
Well the reason we were linked with Sissoko was because Moshiri was "desperate" to make a marquee signing and spend £30m on one player. He didn't seem to care who it was apparently, he just wanted to make a statement.

What I would do to have a Sissoko in this team right now.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: bluenuck on November 02, 2017, 03:19:59 AM
Well the reason we were linked with Sissoko was because Moshiri was "desperate" to make a marquee signing and spend £30m on one player. He didn't seem to care who it was apparently, he just wanted to make a statement.

Source?
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: blue slug on November 02, 2017, 03:41:03 AM
Well the reason we were linked with Sissoko was because Moshiri was "desperate" to make a marquee signing and spend £30m on one player. He didn't seem to care who it was apparently, he just wanted to make a statement.

Not the best way of thinking when buying players
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: bluenuck on November 02, 2017, 03:41:37 AM
Not the best way of thinking when buying players

How do we know he was thinking this??
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: School of Science on November 02, 2017, 04:14:27 AM
Koeman full stop wanted Sigurdsson, think Koeman mentioned he could be the difference about us getting Champions league. Koeman became frustrated that the Sigurdsson signing dragged on, it was even mentioned about Moshiri falling out with Swansea's American owners over them keep hiking the price up. To finish off Koeman actually thanked BK  for negotiating and agreeing the deal with Swansea. That was according to the numerous stories on the back pages of different newspapers at the time.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: kramer0 on November 02, 2017, 04:37:59 AM
The "statement" stuff is a load of crap. Spending big on a mediocre player is embarrassing and nobody takes notice except to laugh at you after the fact for having a ridiculous valuation. Same deal for managers. It might feel good to hire Ronald Koeman and make him one of the highest paid managers in the world but, in reality, he was never anywhere close to being worth the fuss.

Moshiri's done well at stabilizing our finances and improving our commercial deals but I'm yet to see any evidence that he knows anything about football. The Koeman/Walsh combo was a shambles of the highest order and I doubt the next manager is going to make us any less of a disaster, especially given the names linked.

So... make me eat my words, Farhad.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Audrey Horne on November 02, 2017, 04:56:35 AM
Not impressed at all recently. Dont think he has a clue.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Ridge on November 02, 2017, 06:44:58 AM
A manager will always want more options, Koeman and Walsh were both very keen on Sigurdsson. It's Koeman's responsibility to welcome him and look delighted to press, I'm not saying others weren't interested, but someone is taking authority on that price tag.  It limited our ability in terms of offers and options, later in the window. Someone wouldn't  take no for an answer and we had to pull plug on more important positions we were still trying to fill. Obviously Giroud and Costa didn't happen, we got Vlasic who fell in our lap, but needs time.

Just wonder if some interference from above might make sense of the confusion, in terms of forcing Walsh or Koeman to adjust plans. We had been hoping for a premium option to open up and didn't directly replace Barkley's creativity or Lukaku's goals, £50m on Sigurdsson gives us a set piece taker. What if Kenwright sorted Rooney, Koeman wanted Klaassen and Walsh or Moshiri wanted Sigurdsson anyway. I'm just struggling to understand how you end up with 3 number 10s, but no dribblers or passers, no real dynamic creative player or direct goal threat.

Sigurdsson does fit the pattern of some of the older signings under Walsh. Bolasie cost what seemed a lot, Williams was reasonably expensive for his age and a strange buy when we had Jags, but experienced important players for teams lower in PL. We had a lack of creative players when Bolasie got injured and then Barkley, we knew both had injuries. Vlasic, Lookman look potential but haven't really been given much time and DCL, Sandro have looked like potential longer terms solutions up front.

My concern is that Moshiri is thinking that money spent is still good and another manager has a champions league team on their hands. In current climate 7th would be good for Everton. We could utilise Keane and play more like Burnley, set pieces from Sigurdsson, lump and run, faster players up top and play basketball. To grind out draws, clean sheets, nick the odd win and get some momentum. But I don't see fans being happy and I don't see Moshiri being happy with that compromise, not yet.

It's trying to get blood from a stone, given what we have. Any expansive manager is going to face similar limitations in terms of slow unfamiliar or aging centre back pairing, full backs not that productive or athletic, no creative player and no proven goalscorer. The only way around it is playing the players we have into a team and into form. His recent words and actions are starting to make me think he could be backseat driving or causing unnecessary issues with unrealistic expectations and pressure.

I also wouldn't rule out Barton talking to Jim White about Unsworth having effect on Moshiri. He seems to listen and rate topics on talksport or sky as worthy of response or reaction. I could see him going for a trendy name who's had time and support elsewhere and expect instant changes, or hire a short term firefighter on a short contract who has no major incentive to build, just squeezing the turd.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Macca77 on November 02, 2017, 02:04:15 PM
Lets get rid and go back to the dark days of not having a pot to piss in, leave the cladding though
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Lazarou on November 02, 2017, 02:23:52 PM
Amazing how soon we forget how dilapidated Goodison was, a new stadium was a pipe dream, dropping £45 million on one player, investing in the youth facilities, upping our wage structure, paying £6 million a year to a manager. The list goes on there has been some bollocks well and truly dropped but there isn't a club out there that doesn't make mistakes and continues to.

Not sure how he can influence the shit that has been going on, on the pitch, that's what you pay someone £6 million a year for.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Macca77 on November 02, 2017, 02:46:24 PM
People are never happy, always moan about shit like the "net spend"
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: TheRam on November 02, 2017, 03:13:07 PM
People are never happy, always moan about shit like the "net spend"

But you can see why people are unhappy with how the club is at the moment and why people at all levels are being questioned?

Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Glory on November 02, 2017, 03:18:42 PM
Actually I don't think you can be all that unhappy with how the club has performed commercially since he has taken over.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: BlueMaquis on November 03, 2017, 06:07:14 AM

What I'm not happy with is the organisational structure. We have a DOF whose role is unclear to everyone. We have Elstone as CEO and who has just been appointed to the Board. How does that work? If Elstone is underperforming he is part of the structure that decides whether or not he is terminated? Where is the accountability?

If Moshiri is responsible for those changes, I don't see our apparent commercial success lasting very long.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: blueski on November 03, 2017, 06:55:11 AM
What I'm not happy with is the organisational structure. We have a DOF whose role is unclear to everyone.
his role is unclear to us the supporters outside the loop.

that doesn't mean his role is unclear to those inside the club
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Ridge on November 03, 2017, 08:15:30 AM
What I'm not happy with is the organisational structure. We have a DOF whose role is unclear to everyone. We have Elstone as CEO and who has just been appointed to the Board. How does that work? If Elstone is underperforming he is part of the structure that decides whether or not he is terminated? Where is the accountability?

If Moshiri is responsible for those changes, I don't see our apparent commercial success lasting very long.

What on earth is Elstone to do with this? Never understood why people don't like him, when they don't appear to know what he is responsible for. I'm sure there's thousand of people blaming BK for this somehow
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Ridge on November 03, 2017, 08:57:00 AM
To try and clarify my position as I think some people misinterpreted what was intended. My point with Moshiri, is that I think he's a bit too celebrity football conscious and he's starting to doubt everything he's put in place as well. He doesn't want to spend £100m+ to go from europe to relegation fight and out of all competitions by end of October. But he needs to understand the context, that the cohesion and quality of the players is not going to arrive overnight. It was just that Sigurdsson in particular seems like a folly for someone.

My worry is that rather than settling things down and acting calmly, I get an worrying impression that Moshiri is thinking about appointing someone like Allardyce to keep us up. I wouldn't be surprised if that also signalled him scaling back in his ambitions for the club and general disinterest from fans. People can talk about him keeping teams up, but they weren't clubs with as much pride. At Newcastle he was never taken in by fans and was sacked in 6 months, I would expect less time here and then relegation is real threat.

Problem has not just been about transfers, it's the squad turnover, lack of cohesion, degredation and collapse of the team and no growth of a new one. That was all pretty much Koeman, as the team got worse, it was no longer just the players fault, it became the person who bought the players fault, and we're left with the fallout of a manager saying no one is good enough as he ran it into the ground and took out anger.

Koeman was the turd in the punch bowl for me, I can understand why Walsh shoulders blame for unbalanced transfer policy. But no one who knew him, wanted to play for Koeman, we saw that with incomings and outgoings. Walsh is working with a managers specifications in mind and manager has enough authority to be more central to direction of transfer policy. I just think Koeman is not someone players want to play for. maybe lazy in terms of input to recruitment, unrealistic or indecisive.

If your club is spending that sort of money, you can get what you want as a manager, you can specify requirements and resolve at the time. There was a decent team there, but there is not a player now who played for Koeman, who doesn't have crisis of confidence and form. People are human and it's going to take time to build them back up and undo the curse. Fans love managers who come out and tear into the players, let them know what's expected, waterboarding is too good for them. But when it ends up being the entire squad, you're no longer uniting by division, you're just dividing everyone against everyone else.

It's always much easier to bring players down to earth and than build them up. Subsequently you get a quicker turnaround when you just need some structure, discipline and focus, rather than heart and belief. But the new players need some support, regardless what the manager gives them, it's going to be a gradual process. Players will settle and adapt, and I think once we score a couple and win a game, the blockage will leak and the fear and anxiety subside and then we'll start playing better and see the best of the players we've got.

First summer we didn't attract any real elite players, but they'd only just walked in to new setup. This summer we had more time to prepare to plan, and got players from the levels we were looking at and spent heavily. Lookman looks like he's maturing into a first team player, DCL could probably do with a holiday and someone else to take the abuse for standing isolated without service. We'll see other talent emerge from Walsh's signings in due course. We have enough quality in the squad to expect things to improve, if we get behind team and manager, it will give time for things to settle and build. Now we are out of europe and cup, I expect to see improving performances in PL. We've played as many games now as most clubs play by christmas in normal year without europe.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: BlueMaquis on November 03, 2017, 09:05:13 AM
What on earth is Elstone to do with this? Never understood why people don't like him, when they don't appear to know what he is responsible for. I'm sure there's thousand of people blaming BK for this somehow

My mistake, you're right. Elstone is a saint and BK is a cherub.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Ridge on November 03, 2017, 09:15:54 AM
My mistake, you're right. Elstone is a saint and BK is a cherub.

Of course you have to be at one end of the scale.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Faceatthefence on November 03, 2017, 02:41:03 PM
But you can see why people are unhappy with how the club is at the moment and why people at all levels are being questioned?
Thats because we think were a plush main dealers,but in truth being run like a back street garage.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Macca77 on November 03, 2017, 02:47:25 PM
But you can see why people are unhappy with how the club is at the moment and why people at all levels are being questioned?



Of course, mistakes have been made
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Lxxx on November 03, 2017, 02:54:57 PM
I think he's part of the problem but part of the solution.

He came in and installed a new manager without any due diligence other than he's a footballing legend. A vanity appointment.

He then installed a DoF and with the amount of time he'd been in the door we couldn't have done our homework on conducting a search, compiling a shortlist, carrying out an in depth interview process and clearly defining the role. Another vanity appointment, let's take the guy everyone was holding up as the key behind Leicester's fairytale.

Then he told the media that his manager was a legend and he does what he wants before heading off back to London to work on financing a new stadium. Leaving behind a chairman in ill health and a Chief Exec with a questionable record of success so far.

Is it any wonder things were allowed to develop?

The thing is who tells a guy who pays your wages that he might be wrong?
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: dazfrancis on November 03, 2017, 03:09:25 PM
I think he's part of the problem but part of the solution.

He came in and installed a new manager without any due diligence other than he's a footballing legend. A vanity appointment.

He then installed a DoF and with the amount of time he'd been in the door we couldn't have done our homework on conducting a search, compiling a shortlist, carrying out an in depth interview process and clearly defining the role. Another vanity appointment, let's take the guy everyone was holding up as the key behind Leicester's fairytale.

Then he told the media that his manager was a legend and he does what he wants before heading off back to London to work on financing a new stadium. Leaving behind a chairman in ill health and a Chief Exec with a questionable record of success so far.

Is it any wonder things were allowed to develop?

The thing is who tells a guy who pays your wages that he might be wrong?


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Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Mick 1995 on November 03, 2017, 03:10:46 PM
This club doesn't really do relegation.

There are clubs whose owner structure can survive relegation. Hell, there are clubs whose managers can survive relegation.
The last time we were in real relegation scraps (95 & 98) we ousted our board.

The buck stops at the manager for team performance and individual results.
The buck stops at our new DoF when it comes to the performance/value of signings.
But the buck stops at Moshiri for overall trajectory.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: SANA_DR0 on November 03, 2017, 07:29:34 PM
I bet Moshiri regrets that interview on sky sports news (with Jim White) with an hourish to go on Transfer deadling, where he stated 'we dont need any more signings' 'we dont need a striker'.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Thomas on November 07, 2017, 06:48:14 AM
I don't like the man. The Panorama programme solidified this impression even if the material isn't completely proven. Also listening to Everton Business Matters fawn over him really annoys me, which is a shame as its a good podcast.

The main reason I dislike him apart from him basically using sales to cover spending on players,  is I firmly believe the ground move to the city centre has sod all to do with benefitting the club/fans and more to do with making HIM more money. Walton will suffer, the atmosphere will suffer, fans will suffer and possibly even the team may suffer. However the club will be more profitable for Mr Moshiri.

Jack Walker was no angel, but he died recently and some of our fans are so wide-eyed on Moshiri you almost wonder whether they have been led to believe the club for him is a labour of love. It isn't. It was for Bill Kenwright and he wasn't any good either. Moshiri is a capitalist out for his own pocket and seeking to commercialize our club into 'Brand Everton' and take it away from our origins. Fans are falling for that way too easily in my opinion. If he didn't have money I would see no difference between him and the Hull/Cardiff chairman who had no prior connection/commitment to their clubs either.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: kramer0 on November 07, 2017, 10:58:14 PM
Really starting to worry. Not about the Usmanov stuff but about football.

Don't know what he's playing at with the Costa/Sanchez/Simeone stories. He seems to be utterly clueless about how to improve the club on the pitch.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Escla on November 07, 2017, 11:04:39 PM
I don't like the man. The Panorama programme solidified this impression even if the material isn't completely proven. Also listening to Everton Business Matters fawn over him really annoys me, which is a shame as its a good podcast.

The main reason I dislike him apart from him basically using sales to cover spending on players,  is I firmly believe the ground move to the city centre has sod all to do with benefitting the club/fans and more to do with making HIM more money. Walton will suffer, the atmosphere will suffer, fans will suffer and possibly even the team may suffer. However the club will be more profitable for Mr Moshiri.

Jack Walker was no angel, but he died recently and some of our fans are so wide-eyed on Moshiri you almost wonder whether they have been led to believe the club for him is a labour of love. It isn't. It was for Bill Kenwright and he wasn't any good either. Moshiri is a capitalist out for his own pocket and seeking to commercialize our club into 'Brand Everton' and take it away from our origins. Fans are falling for that way too easily in my opinion. If he didn't have money I would see no difference between him and the Hull/Cardiff chairman who had no prior connection/commitment to their clubs either.

Mate, when I can move along the row of seats in the Upper Gwladys without practically tripping over the seat back in the row in front of me, when I can go for a piss without waiting for 15 minutes at half time, when I can have a wider choice of food than fish and chips and cardboard burgers outside the ground I for one will be a happy man, we don't all live around the corner from GP, new location makes perfect sense.
It would take years of reduced capacity and disruption to re-develop GP, you would practically have to demolish 75% of it and re-build. I don't know what your definition of a fan is but in the case of Moshiri once you have skin in the game you soon become as interested in success for the club as any other fan.

Copy pasted from my response to your previous rant today in the Bromley Moore dock thread

We are one of the cheapest season ticket in the Premiership, there are a number of reasons for that, one being that the ground is not living in the 90's like you, it's a 60's stadium. Don't get emotionally involved with bricks and mortar.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: TheRam on November 07, 2017, 11:12:47 PM
Starting to think he's a bit of a farce.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: bluenuck on November 07, 2017, 11:17:54 PM
Anyone have the quote from Moshiri about Simeone? Or where he said it?
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Escla on November 07, 2017, 11:21:02 PM
Someone tweeted that Moshiri admired Simeone and from there it took on a life of its own.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: brap2 on November 07, 2017, 11:24:01 PM
Really starting to worry. Not about the Usmanov stuff but about football.

Don't know what he's playing at with the Costa/Sanchez/Simeone stories. He seems to be utterly clueless about how to improve the club on the pitch.

Yeah he’s not coming across well.

The idea that a rich man is a crook doesn’t phase me in the slightest, they’re all crooks, but the idea that the head of a company ina certain sector doesn’t know his arse from his elbow in that niche is worrying - unless he’s got the right appointments around him, which of course, he has not.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: bluenuck on November 07, 2017, 11:25:11 PM
Someone tweeted that Moshiri admired Simeone and from there it took on a life of its own.

Seriously?

That's where this whole panic is coming from? Can't be.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: kramer0 on November 07, 2017, 11:25:35 PM
unless he’s got the right appointments around him, which of course, he has not.

Yep. We have to wait for him stumble upon a set-up that works, then hope he doesn't fuck it up.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Escla on November 07, 2017, 11:25:57 PM
Nothing else to back it up other than Twitter gossip.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: BlueBeagle on November 07, 2017, 11:26:59 PM
Anyone have the quote from Moshiri about Simeone? Or where he said it?

Headline news on Sky Sports
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: bluenuck on November 07, 2017, 11:28:15 PM
Headline news on Sky Sports

No quotes from Moshiri. Just speculation that Simeone is our number 1 target.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: everton1952 on November 07, 2017, 11:28:49 PM
Where is the money Mosh? (Sorry Bill)
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Escla on November 07, 2017, 11:31:01 PM
No quotes from Moshiri. Just speculation that Simeone is our number 1 target.

No quotes whatsoever from anyone other than Sky Sports news "understand" that he is one of four candidates that Everton are interested in and that they have held talks with Allardyce.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: BlueBeagle on November 07, 2017, 11:33:49 PM
Believe he's been having private tuition from Gold and Sullivan on how to repeatedly make your club a national laughing stock
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: bluenuck on November 07, 2017, 11:34:17 PM
No quotes whatsoever from anyone other than Sky Sports news "understand" that he is one of four candidates that Everton are interested in and that they have held talks with Allardyce.

lol

Alright then, nothing more to really talk about.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: everton1952 on November 07, 2017, 11:42:24 PM
Why stop? Keep it going. I heard on a reliable twitter/tweet/twit source that our latest attempt to find a manager.... and so forth and so on.
The best I can add is Where is the money Mosh? (Sorry Bill).
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Shropshire Blue on November 07, 2017, 11:43:40 PM
I don't like the man. The Panorama programme solidified this impression even if the material isn't completely proven. Also listening to Everton Business Matters fawn over him really annoys me, which is a shame as its a good podcast.

The main reason I dislike him apart from him basically using sales to cover spending on players,  is I firmly believe the ground move to the city centre has sod all to do with benefitting the club/fans and more to do with making HIM more money. Walton will suffer, the atmosphere will suffer, fans will suffer and possibly even the team may suffer. However the club will be more profitable for Mr Moshiri.

Jack Walker was no angel, but he died recently and some of our fans are so wide-eyed on Moshiri you almost wonder whether they have been led to believe the club for him is a labour of love. It isn't. It was for Bill Kenwright and he wasn't any good either. Moshiri is a capitalist out for his own pocket and seeking to commercialize our club into 'Brand Everton' and take it away from our origins. Fans are falling for that way too easily in my opinion. If he didn't have money I would see no difference between him and the Hull/Cardiff chairman who had no prior connection/commitment to their clubs either.
If he is putting his money into a project why shouldn't he be allowed to make a profit? If he isn't then one has to accept that we are not asking for 'investment' we are looking for charity.
We have to live in the real financial world if the club want to compete. I don't see much cash coming from the fans, not even the idea of putting up prices to the level of the 'top' clubs to help us compete.
The fact is we want to keep our heritage, we want to keep it all close, we want it affordable, we want to win trophies and we want someone else to pay for it. I can live with that if it works but I don't think I'll hold my breath.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Escla on November 07, 2017, 11:44:34 PM
Believe he's been having private tuition from Gold and Sullivan on how to repeatedly make your club a national laughing stock

Why, what's he done ? Serious question.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Gary1878 on November 07, 2017, 11:53:08 PM
If Moshiri makes a profit, that means we have a nice new stadium, are still in the PL and have a better intrinsic/intangible value placed on us. I have no qualms in him making money from us.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: hill135 on November 07, 2017, 11:57:56 PM
Didn’t old facelift Jim White say Moshiri personally told him Simeone would be perfect for the job?

Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Escla on November 08, 2017, 12:12:14 AM
No
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: BlueBeagle on November 08, 2017, 12:12:54 AM
Why, what's he done ? Serious question.

Cringeworthy Sky Sports phonecalls to Jim White and laughable transfer/manager targets aside yeah?
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Thornton_19 on November 08, 2017, 12:15:58 AM
Cringeworthy Sky Sports phonecalls to Jim White and laughable transfer/manager targets aside yeah?
I know yeah fuck him. Wish we weren't getting a new stadium and spending loads on transfers. Bring back Bill and poverty. Wish we still had Moyes.
I miss Osman.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: BlueBeagle on November 08, 2017, 12:19:02 AM
I know yeah fuck him. Wish we weren't getting a new stadium and spending loads on transfers. Bring back Bill and poverty. Wish we still had Moyes.
I miss Osman.

Don't make yourself look daft.

1) I'll believe the stadium when I'm sat in it although I live in hope.
2) We've spent none of his money on transfers. I don't believe we should either but let's not make out he's a sugar daddy.
3) Never mentioned Moyes or Osman
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Escla on November 08, 2017, 12:19:16 AM
Cringeworthy Sky Sports phonecalls to Jim White and laughable transfer/manager targets aside yeah?

We wait twenty years for a sugar daddy investor to come along and when he does we can't wait to spout venom and derision based on fuck all, right , fuck him, Moshiri out, who needs a stable financial base to work from.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: BlueBeagle on November 08, 2017, 12:22:34 AM
We wait twenty years for a sugar daddy investor to come along and when he does we can't wait to spout venom and derision based on fuck all, right , fuck him, Moshiri out, who needs a stable financial base to work from.

Are you simple?

Based on fuck all? I've just given examples of where he's made us and himself look like muppets. And he isn't a sugar daddy really is he seeing as how we had 100m incoming over the summer.

I'd have no problem with him at all if he just kept his mouth shut instead of talking shit to Sky Sports like some Z list celebrity does to Heat magazine.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: duncandisorderly on November 08, 2017, 12:23:03 AM
I think we have improved (off the field) since he came, he's certainly not perfect but he seems like he's trying to do the right things with things like the stadium planning, he has invested some money in the team which is more than our previous owner. I'm a bit more concerned about whether he will keep investing at the same levels, given what has happened in the summer with player recruitment and our start to the season, i just hope he is in it for the long haul.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Thornton_19 on November 08, 2017, 12:23:57 AM
Don't make yourself look daft.

1) I'll believe the stadium when I'm sat in it although I live in hope.
2) We've spent none of his money on transfers. I don't believe we should either but let's not make out he's a sugar daddy.
3) Never mentioned Moyes or Osman
More of a Martinez and Alcaraz guy are you?

Me daft? Surely sustainable spending is a good thing? Don't want to end up like Leeds.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: BlueBeagle on November 08, 2017, 12:27:10 AM
More of a Martinez and Alcaraz guy are you?

Me daft? Surely sustainable spending is a good thing? Don't want to end up like Leeds.

When have I said we should spend irresponsibly?

My issue is with him seemingly loving talking shit to sports media outlets, NOT investment.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Django on November 08, 2017, 12:42:17 AM
Starting to think he's a bit of a farce.

He’s basically Kermit the Frog with a billion quid in his ass pocket
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: piggypop on November 08, 2017, 01:01:24 AM
When have I said we should spend irresponsibly?

My issue is with him seemingly loving talking shit to sports media outlets, NOT investment.
I'm not particularly keen on how he does it, but after buying a majority shareholding in the club he probably has more right than a fan to call into the Jim White show to voice his thoughts.

If he was on here*, we'd probably all be dead pleased for a couple of days until he said something we didn't agree with. Then he'd be slagged to fuck.

(*Can you imagine if he had the posting style of Realist?)
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: SANA_DR0 on November 08, 2017, 07:40:30 PM
I'm not particularly keen on how he does it, but after buying a majority shareholding in the club he probably has more right than a fan to call into the Jim White show to voice his thoughts.

If he was on here*, we'd probably all be dead pleased for a couple of days until he said something we didn't agree with. Then he'd be slagged to fuck.

(*Can you imagine if he had the posting style of Realist?)

was the Realist banned cos he was Moshiri??
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Ridge on November 08, 2017, 08:04:52 PM
There is a lot of 'leave Britney alone' in this thread
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Lxxx on November 08, 2017, 10:29:52 PM
Why should he put his hand in his pocket and piss away millions of his own money when football is populated with dickheads like Mirallas who trouser £50k/week for taking the piss and idiots like Martinez who get a £10m goodbye as a reward for failure. I don't blame him for not spending, I wouldn't either if I had it sat there in my account.

By all means query his baffling and somewhat naïve outbursts, his vanity appointments and his general approach which gives the impression he knows fuck all about the game but don't slag him for not doing what none of us would do in his position.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Shropshire Blue on November 08, 2017, 10:40:08 PM
WE'VE spent none of HIS MONEY on transfers.
I know I've taken that a little out of context but it's a beautiful example of how fans of all clubs think and their expectations.☺
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: BlueBeagle on November 08, 2017, 11:59:06 PM
I know I've taken that a little out of context but it's a beautiful example of how fans of all clubs think and their expectations.☺

Eh? I'm not suggesting we should spend his money.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: kramer0 on November 09, 2017, 12:36:18 AM
The whole “his money” or “not his money” question is irrelevant.

The real problem is that he’s chosen the wrong people to spend what’s in our budget. A good transfer team would have gotten a lot more out of what we spent this summer. Actually, a good transfer team would have gotten more for less than what we spent this summer.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Lxxx on November 09, 2017, 12:54:17 AM
The whole “his money” or “not his money” question is irrelevant.

The real problem is that he’s chosen the wrong people to spend what’s in our budget. A good transfer team would have gotten a lot more out of what we spent this summer. Actually, a good transfer team would have gotten more for less than what we spent this summer.

It's relevant to the argument some are putting up on here.

I agree that we could have spent less and more wisely but some are giving him a verbal kicking for not dipping into his own reserves and spending more.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: BlueBeagle on November 09, 2017, 01:19:57 AM
A good transfer team would have gotten a lot more out of what we spent this summer. Actually, a good transfer team would have gotten more for less than what we spent this summer.

You don't say
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Martip on November 09, 2017, 01:45:57 AM
was the Realist banned cos he was Moshiri??
Is realist banned ?
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: bluenuck on November 09, 2017, 03:22:41 AM
There is a lot of 'leave Britney alone' in this thread

Just looking for quotes, facts, and sources for how people are forming an opinion, or for the stories they're telling like reply #7.

Don't think there's anything wrong with that.

Still looking for where he got that from.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Ridge on November 09, 2017, 04:38:08 AM
Just looking for quotes, facts, and sources for how people are forming an opinion, or for the stories they're telling like reply #7.

Don't think there's anything wrong with that.

Still looking for where he got that from.

I think it's a better place if most opinions are left open, especially when there is limited info. There are a few people who will disagree like they are judge on a panel show, without either engaging the point itself or providing any evidence that contradicts.

It's all well and good shouting for evidence, provide some. If there is none then it's all opinions anyway, so why are some so adamant in first place.

Wasn't specifically aim at yourself or anyone in particular, just seemed a lot of dramatic offence. Understanding things is the point, it can go into unpopular territory, but sometimes its the truth that's the most unpopular.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: bluenuck on November 09, 2017, 04:43:29 AM
I think it's a better place if most opinions are left open, especially when there is limited info. There are a few people who will disagree like they are judge on a panel show, without either engaging the point itself or providing any evidence that contradicts.

It's all well and good shouting for evidence, provide some. If there is none then it's all opinions anyway, so why are some so adamant in first place.

Wasn't specifically aim at yourself or anyone in particular, just seemed a lot of dramatic offence. Understanding things is the point, it can go into unpopular territory, but sometimes its the truth that's the most unpopular.

fair enough.

But some replies like Reply #7 in this thread do not read like an opinion. It reads as fact. Which is absurd.

People melting down yesterday because there were reports, only reports, about us having a shortlist of 4 coaches with Simeone at the top was hilarious. The 2+2=7 crowd was in full on melt down mode.

Some times when I go on the internet I'm not surprised to know that Donald Trump is President.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Confucius on November 09, 2017, 04:46:31 AM
Is realist banned ?

Obviously you not mate, we know you the same person.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Ridge on November 09, 2017, 04:50:29 AM
"apparently"

Do you mean a different number? otherwise not sure what set of eyes you're reading it with to see that as fact.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: bluenuck on November 09, 2017, 05:12:37 AM
"apparently"

Do you mean a different number? otherwise not sure what set of eyes you're reading it with to see that as fact.

Oh c'mon. You're really gonna go with that?  lol

The reply fully makes it sound as fact that Moshiri wanted to make a statement and blow 30 million. And that it didn't matter what player, "apparently", it was. The player...

How do we know he wanted to make a statement? How do we not know that it wasn't Koeman or Walsh that really wanted Sissoko? Or someone else who wanted him? How do we know anything about this?

Anyways, This is splitting hairs. Opinions are fine. It's when people start coming up with absolute BS from nothing that really makes me cringe. Funny thing is, is that winning will make all this go away.

Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: SANA_DR0 on November 09, 2017, 06:54:52 PM
Oh c'mon. You're really gonna go with that?  lol

The reply fully makes it sound as fact that Moshiri wanted to make a statement and blow 30 million. And that it didn't matter what player, "apparently", it was. The player...

How do we know he wanted to make a statement? How do we not know that it wasn't Koeman or Walsh that really wanted Sissoko? Or someone else who wanted him? How do we know anything about this?

Anyways, This is splitting hairs. Opinions are fine. It's when people start coming up with absolute BS from nothing that really makes me cringe. Funny thing is, is that winning will make all this go away.

Cos no one wants Sissoko, not even Spurs!!
If he is worth 30m, Niasse is worth 3 times that.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on November 09, 2017, 07:40:32 PM
Cos no one wants Sissoko, not even Spurs!!
If he is worth 30m, Niasse is worth 3 times that.
Sissoko has been back in the Spurs starting 11 in recent months. He is shit though.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: SANA_DR0 on November 09, 2017, 07:58:55 PM
Sissoko has been back in the Spurs starting 11 in recent months. He is shit though.
yep i've seen him play... Niasse is so much better,, i think spurs are playing him to put him in the shop window..
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Bluedylan on November 09, 2017, 08:00:37 PM
Cos no one wants Sissoko, not even Spurs!!
If he is worth 30m, Niasse is worth 3 times that.

Done well for them this season and their fans have warmed to him.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Cassius on November 09, 2017, 08:01:37 PM
Sissoko has been back in the Spurs starting 11 in recent months. He is shit though.

In order to derail this thread, I think this season Sissoko is a shining example of what an excellent manager Pochettino is.

We all thought we'd dodged a bullet with him, however he's been starting for Spurs most of the season and playing well. Pochetinno has installed in him discipline, tactical awareness and he knows how to use his energy better. I don't really watch Spurs, but a mate of mine who is a fan told me this.

That's what we need from a new manager - someone who will develop players in a system that works and rewards players for their development. This should be high up on Moshiri's list of criteria for a new manager.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: BlueForYou on November 09, 2017, 08:03:00 PM
He has indeed been playing well - wasn't he captain the other day? (Don't quote me on that!)

Class manager
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: everton1952 on November 09, 2017, 08:20:15 PM
Let's get this thread back on course. Where is the money Mosh?
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Lincs Toffee on November 09, 2017, 08:21:26 PM
That's what we need from a new manager - someone who will develop players in a system that works and rewards players for their development. This should be high up on Moshiri's list of criteria for a new manager.
That's far to sensible a request...we have been shoe horning players in wrong positions for that long now its become a trend.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: BlueForYou on November 09, 2017, 08:37:23 PM
Where's the money? Ask (w)ringer Usmanov - we're the dry cleaners and Moshiri's the mangle

Business as usual - that's football

 
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: SANA_DR0 on November 09, 2017, 08:41:53 PM
Where's the money? Ask Usmanov - we're the dry cleaners and Moshiri's the mangle

Business as usual - that's football

cant wait till that finally happens.

USM GOODISON PARK

USM BRAMLEY DOCK

the future is Usminov! the future is bright!
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: BlueForYou on November 09, 2017, 08:45:54 PM
What's that term?

Ringer springs to mind
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: brap2 on November 09, 2017, 10:34:01 PM
I’d have sissokho in a flash.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Confucius on November 10, 2017, 02:42:01 AM
Nobody wanted to hear me on Sissoko. Good player.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 10, 2017, 02:50:12 AM
Nobody wanted to hear me on Sissoko. Good player.
Funnily enough... It's a world cup year
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Bluedylan on November 10, 2017, 02:56:41 AM
I'm still not a fan myself. Think it says more about Poch to be able to get summat out of pretty much every player that he works with.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Shogun on November 10, 2017, 03:02:16 AM
Sissoko is still shite.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Thornton_19 on November 10, 2017, 03:44:00 AM
The amount he gives the ball away and wastes it in good positions is awful. I would get so frustrated with him at Everton.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Ell Capitan on November 10, 2017, 04:12:44 AM
He's rubbish. Anyone would look good in that team.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: TheRam on November 10, 2017, 04:56:32 AM
He's proper shite.

Reminder that we were very close to spending 50mil on him and kone.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Ridge on November 12, 2017, 09:36:25 PM
It's a mental thing with Sissoko, he seems the type of player who just won't ever fulfill potential, he was great for France at Euro's. I think everyone thought, he's exceptional in very good France team, and shit for Newcastle. Maybe just needs to be in a better team and surrounded by better players to get most out of him.

He's certainly looked better more recently at Spurs and more hard working, but I'm not sure you'll ever get the fear out of him, or increase his determination by enough to make him a world beater, but he has the tools, if he could deploy them.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Lxxx on November 12, 2017, 10:21:37 PM
Just a bang average player who flatters to deceive every now and then because he has the ability to go on a run with the ball for 50 yards, before then ballooning it out of play when he tries to cross it.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: gizzblue on November 12, 2017, 10:56:58 PM
Just a bang average player who flatters to deceive every now and then because he has the ability to go on a run with the ball for 50 yards, before then ballooning it out of play when he tries to cross it.
And that's his best day 😅😅
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Bluedylan on November 19, 2017, 12:50:01 AM
There needs to be a big fuck off annual appraisal, performance review and if necessary it needs reorganising from scratch.

The whole organisation needs professionalising from the top down, so that there are clearly defined roles with specific performance targets, and reducing grey areas and overlapping duties.

If I were Moshiri, I would identify the clubs we want to be like (as Kramer has said) such as Atletico, Sevilla etc and literally do some fact finding and research into their role delineation and ways of operating. I would also clear out the existing setup with Walsh and just reorganise the entire thing so that it's based on structure and professional competence.

There's no harm in acknowledging that we've got it wrong so far, and changing it completely. We can't change what has happened upto now, but we can control where we are in a year's time.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Silas on November 19, 2017, 12:58:07 AM
We've kind of struggled with the structure of the club since Moyes left. The foundations in the academy seem fine but everything up from there seems a little off.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Ridge on November 19, 2017, 01:04:01 AM
Same DoF problems several other clubs have had to be honest. When manager and DoF work together and in tandem, 2 heads are better than 1.

But when both are pulling in different directions and overstepping lines, you end up with conflict and confusion. Koeman's attack on Walsh also probably put Walsh on defensive and when he stayed, it probably endorsed and solidified his views. But this team is not value for money, even if most the players individually are. And if he's pushing behind his signings that he believes will come good, then maybe it does make some sense of some of the issues.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: TheRam on November 19, 2017, 01:06:00 AM
Walsh apparently has a very close relationship with Moshiri so I can see him being here for the long haul unfortunately and that worries me.

I'am seriously worried about the direction we're heading in and dread to think where we could find ourselves in the next few years.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Ridge on November 19, 2017, 01:13:31 AM
Fool me once and shame on you, fool me twice and .... you can't get fooled again.

I think Moshiri took Walsh's side over Koeman after much deliberation, as you're still left with players, you're choosing to believe the players are crap or manager is, and you can replace manager now and he'd still be left with players if you sacked DoF. But with problems still there post Koeman, I think Walsh's perspective on his dealing becomes increasingly questionable and so does his position.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 19, 2017, 01:15:03 AM
I think much of the problem is in the defining of the role. I don't think Walsh has ever been a director of football here. I don't think he's been allowed to. Koeman ate up much of his role then and now it seems the board want to make the footballing decision on who's manager now

If Walsh has to sign players from koemans list and can't appoint the manager he wants then he can't be blamed when it doesn't work.

We need to decide if we actually want a director of football or not
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Bluedylan on November 19, 2017, 01:16:55 AM
If it's accurate that Walsh pushed for the Allardyce-Shakespeare dreamteam, that should be grounds for gross misconduct from the off.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 19, 2017, 01:19:25 AM
If it's accurate that Walsh pushed for the Allardyce-Shakespeare dreamteam, that should be grounds for gross misconduct from the off.

But you have to let him live or die by his decisions

Seems almost accepted that the big signings weren't his choice and now the new manager isn't. So he's really not being allowed to do his job. They've appointed him and now they all want to take part of his job for themselves. He seems to be director of football for the youth teams and the cheap signings

We can't judge him until they let him do the role
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: sam of the south on November 19, 2017, 01:32:03 AM
I agree with both points of view.

I believe he hasn't been allowed the proper influence usually afforded to a director of football, HOWEVER, if his choice for our management team was Allardyce and Shakespeare then I'm glad he hasn't had that power to weald.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: kramer0 on November 19, 2017, 01:34:43 AM
Walsh apparently has a very close relationship with Moshiri so I can see him being here for the long haul unfortunately and that worries me.

Where did you hear that?

Not questioning the validity, just curious.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 19, 2017, 01:38:02 AM
I agree with both points of view.

I believe he hasn't been allowed the proper influence usually afforded to a director of football, HOWEVER, if his choice for our management team was Allardyce and Shakespeare then I'm glad he hasn't had that power to weald.

We'd probably not have been looking for a manager had Walsh been allowed to send the money instead of koeman

The club is a bit of a shambles. Used to always be from the business side now that's sorted it's the football side.

We've half arsed the role. Get rid of it or keep it. Don't pay someone to do it then steal all his responsibilities though.

Only thing I blame Walsh for is not insisting they let him do his job. He might be rubbish but he's currently yet to have a go at the role
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: sam of the south on November 19, 2017, 01:42:56 AM
We'd probably not have been looking for a manager had Walsh been allowed to send the money instead of koeman

The club is a bit of a shambles. Used to always be from the business side now that's sorted it's the football side.

We've half arsed the role. Get rid of it or keep it. Don't pay someone to do it then steal all his responsibilities though.

Only thing I blame Walsh for is not insisting they let him do his job. He might be rubbish but he's currently yet to have a go at the role

"Koeman does what he wants" was the Moshiri quote, wasn't it?  ::)

It is the only thing we have to go on, but it does suggest that Koeman most certainly wore the trousers in his partnership with Walsh.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on November 19, 2017, 02:15:30 AM
The hierarchy of the clubs need defining. We've made consistent fuckups year upon year upon year whether it be potential ground moves, i.e. Kings Dock fiasco/Kirkby, investment brought to the club - Fortress Fund, commercial deals - kit bags. It just needs to stop.
You then have the deleberation of sacking a manager, hiring a manager, buying players. The whole structure and mindset at the top needs changing and that can only be done by Moshiri buying out the deadwood already on that board, taking full control of the club and bringing his own people in.

A clear and defining stategy inplace with people onboard with the mind and skillset to oversee this then the rest follows down to the on field activities.

My worry is if changes are not defined at the top then Everton will possibly go through a spate of hiring and firing managers over the next 5-6 years.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Lxxx on November 19, 2017, 02:34:46 AM
I fear Moshiri is part of the problem.

Makes appointments based on limited knowledge of the game. Makes press announcements which only reinforce that fact and wants to make statements which really aren’t necessary.

My gut feeling is he isn’t the bloke we hoped we were getting.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: blueski on November 19, 2017, 02:58:27 AM
he's got money and has done a lot of good things. when mansour bought man city mistakes were made - many of them.

its miles and miles from the point where we question moshiri in my opinion. big steps forward in the stadium issue, the financial running of the club and an honest effort to get things right on the pitch at least from a financial backing standpoint. maybe there were a couple of cringeworthy jim white moments but I think you have to put that in perspective and give him time to continue to work. if no progress on the playing staff is made in january, different story but I honestly doubt that happens

Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 19, 2017, 03:01:01 AM
I fear Moshiri is part of the problem.

Makes appointments based on limited knowledge of the game. Makes press announcements which only reinforce that fact and wants to make statements which really aren’t necessary.

My gut feeling is he isn’t the bloke we hoped we were getting.

I think he's part of the problem. Think he knows very little about football but doesn't realise he knows very little. Too involved with things he shouldn't be involved with.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Lxxx on November 19, 2017, 03:07:40 AM
I think he's part of the problem. Think he knows very little about football but doesn't realise he knows very little. Too involved with things he shouldn't be involved with.

Problem is how do you tell your boss he’s the main reason things have gone tits up.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Ell Capitan on November 19, 2017, 03:18:15 AM
Yeah, even though none of us really have any idea, let's just blame Moshiri for everything. Perhaps we can boo him at our next game and all chip in for a plane. Because if there's anything this club needs right now, it's for the fans to turn on our owner and for our owner to decide to fuck off, leaving us well and truly fucked.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Lxxx on November 19, 2017, 03:20:43 AM
Yeah, even though none of us really have any idea, let's just blame Moshiri for everything. Perhaps we can boo him at our next game and all chip in for a plane. Because if there's anything this club needs right now, it's for the fans to turn on our owner and for our owner to decide to fuck off, leaving us well and truly fucked.

No-one is turning on him. It’s reasonable to question his impact on the club since his arrival but once you do that it throws up more doubts than answers. Let’s be honest about it.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 19, 2017, 03:52:35 AM
Yeah, even though none of us really have any idea, let's just blame Moshiri for everything. Perhaps we can boo him at our next game and all chip in for a plane. Because if there's anything this club needs right now, it's for the fans to turn on our owner and for our owner to decide to fuck off, leaving us well and truly fucked.

I don't think that's what anyone is suggesting. He is giving interviews about players (barkley and McCarthy) he did seem to acknowledge that koeman did as he pleased. The press does always claim he wants to sign this or that big name

Clearly as a business he's improved us. I do worry he's a little too involved with the football side. We have a director of football who hasn't been allowed to sign players or pick the manager (apparently)
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: BlueBeagle on November 19, 2017, 04:38:34 AM
Anyone not questioning what's going on at the top of the club needs to get their head out of the sand
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Ell Capitan on November 19, 2017, 01:45:54 PM
No-one is turning on him. It’s reasonable to question his impact on the club since his arrival but once you do that it throws up more doubts than answers. Let’s be honest about it.

For sure. Perhaps I misinterpreted your post saying "how do we tell our boss he's the main reason things have gone tits up". I don't think the fans trying to convey that to Moshiri will help, at all.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Lxxx on November 19, 2017, 03:45:46 PM
For sure. Perhaps I misinterpreted your post saying "how do we tell our boss he's the main reason things have gone tits up". I don't think the fans trying to convey that to Moshiri will help, at all.

I was referring to people within the club. How do you attempt to have a full debrief of how and why things have gone wrong when the guy chairing the meeting at the head of the table is a large part of the problem with his decision-making, in a subject matter he knows very little about.

This isn't a witch hunt against Moshiri by any means but from the outside looking in it looks like he's following a path many chairman and fans of the game fall into when they get control of a football club for the first time, which is to make hasty decisions on the playing side based on their limited knowledge of the game as a fan.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Ell Capitan on November 19, 2017, 05:01:41 PM
I was referring to people within the club. How do you attempt to have a full debrief of how and why things have gone wrong when the guy chairing the meeting at the head of the table is a large part of the problem with his decision-making, in a subject matter he knows very little about.

This isn't a witch hunt against Moshiri by any means but from the outside looking in it looks like he's following a path many chairman and fans of the game fall into when they get control of a football club for the first time, which is to make hasty decisions on the playing side based on their limited knowledge of the game as a fan.


Fair enough. It's the same at any organisation really though, when things go wrong the people at the top are often partly if not wholly responsible. In the absence of oversight, you have to hope that there is enough openness within those individuals to admit mistakes and be willing to find solutions.

It's interesting because although Moshiri is our largest shareholder, he neither sits on the Board, nor is he Chairman or CEO of Everton. They're all ultimately accountable to him but I imagine will be far more involved in the day to day running of the club than him. Likelihood is that some people on the Board will have had much more influence over him than others in terms of key decisions, and so any analysis of what needs to change will quickly become political as people look to deflect blame and protect their position. My guess is that governance is a real issue at EFC, particularly when you consider our rather unusual ownership structure. That's likely the bigger challenge in successfully figuring this all out, and it's far more nuanced than simply pinning all the blame for bad decisions on Moshiri.

Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Lxxx on November 19, 2017, 05:16:25 PM
I’d agree on the governance point, although governance was never really an issue in decision-making up until 18 months ago when the whole structure changed. Ultimately he’s the man who installed this new structure though and as you rightly pointed out, the man at the top is always pointed as the fall guy when things go wrong but that’s what happens in a hierarchy. It’s a hierarchy for a reason.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Ross on November 24, 2017, 04:18:27 PM
Some questions in the media...


https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/moshiri-latest-rich-owner-to-struggle-with-his-new-toy-cx8kn8dpz

MATT DICKINSON

The first time I met Farhad Moshiri was an odd encounter. It was October 2007 and a group of journalists were being taken out to Moscow, on a private jet (not mine), to meet Alisher Usmanov to discuss his reasons for purchasing a stake in Arsenal.

Moshiri was on the flight, though it was never really explained why as he ushered us on board. We gleaned that the one-time accountant was deeply involved in Usmanov’s company Metalloinvest, and also a football fan, but the idea that we were sitting next to a future Premier League club owner rather than a very over-qualified travel guide never occurred.

It was a strange introduction, not quite knowing what Moshiri was about. And the more we have seen at Everton over recent months the more my curiosity has returned.

What on earth is happening at Goodison Park? The fans — and more than one rival club who have dealt with them over business — have asked the same question with a growing sense of bewilderment at the league table and a chaotic managerial search compounded by last night’s Europa League embarrassment at the hands of Atalanta.

The simple answer is the very familiar teething problems of football club ownership. Everton are definitely not Queens Park Rangers, but seeing Moshiri reminds me a little of the early years of Tony Fernandes; promising the world — including a new stadium, global ambitions — but first delivering some expensive mistakes.

Both are eager to please, working media contacts in the hope of popularity as well as points, having built vast personal fortunes through graft and clever networking. They possess plenty of charm.

Both are undoubted enthusiasts, with big dreams and a child-like thrill in their train sets, but the main question that fans are right to ask is: what do they know of football? This especially matters when these owners are extremely hands-on over some key decisions while also trying to juggle their many businesses and investments, with the inevitable result that a few balls are dropped, damagingly.

They want the thrill of being involved, mixing with football people which is so much more interesting than the price of oil, but where does that leave a club’s experts, the professionals? We may well ask when Moshiri has personally led a managerial search that, more than a month after the sacking of Ronald Koeman, appears to be back where it started.

This week Everton received a cease and desist letter from Watford’s lawyers, demanding that the pursuit of Marco Silva be immediately called off — or else. But it should not have needed such a threat.

Did Moshiri really think that Watford, even if offered £10 million or more, could afford to let their manager walk out in November? Who does he think he is, Watford may well ask, looking down from the top half of the table at a club such as Everton who were wrong to take the side of the “big six” in the recent argument over sharing broadcast income.

Four points in the past two games have lifted Everton out of the bottom three but, especially after last night’s 5-1 capitulation, league fixtures against Southampton and West Ham United will be approached with very fragile confidence when the caretaker manager, David Unsworth, lurches from game to game.

Where to turn next? Steve Walsh was recruited from Leicester City as director of football but there are those at Goodison Park who question the accuracy of that title. Directing what, exactly?

Walsh is understood to have wanted Sam Allardyce, but that hardly fits Moshiri’s early proclamation: “For our club to compete in the northwest of England, which is the new Hollywood of football with [Pep] Guardiola, [José] Mourinho, [Jürgen] Klopp, we needed a star to stand on the touchline, so I got Koeman.” To reject Big Sam, then to have to go back to him, is not exactly the glamour that Moshiri had in mind?

Bill Kenwright, the chairman since 2004, will have his own thoughts but it is Moshiri who, these days, expects to call the shots. A rich owner grappling with his new toy, struggling to assert the control that he is used to in business, is not a new phenomenon. To glance down the road on Merseyside is to recall Fenway Sports Group’s false starts with Damien Comolli as director of football and Kenny Dalglish’s brief return to the dugout.

But it still comes as a shock at Everton, given how so much money was spent, the £75 million fee for Romelu Lukaku and much more besides, as Moshiri sought to demonstrate his ambition this summer. Everton had everything but a strategy (and a new striker).

Long-term, fees for Jordan Pickford, Michael Keane and Ademola Lookman may come to look decent value, but on a checklist of classic owner mistakes — overspending (Gylfi Sigurdsson at £45 million), gathering a bloated squad (Davy Klaassen at £25 million) and signings of heart over head (Wayne Rooney on big wages) — Moshiri ticks every box.

They want the thrill of being involved, mixing with football people which is so much more interesting than the price of oil.

Having a big squad of senior players makes even less sense at a club that, rightly, tries to take great pride in developing its own.

Beginner’s mistakes? Moshiri once held shares at Arsenal, selling them back to Usmanov to fund his purchase of Everton, and he has been at Goodison Park since March 2016, with his 49.9 per cent stake bought for £87.5 million.

He is still working his way to full ownership of the club, probably in the next 18 months, according to insiders who say that he is determined to see through his grand plans, including a new stadium.

There are assurances that his wealth, including the Everton investment, is independently established. This came under questioning with the announcement at the annual meeting in January that USM, the investment company for Usmanov’s vast holdings in Russian mining and metals, and digital corporations, would sponsor the Finch Farm training ground.

Questions over the depth of his business ties with Usmanov were reawakened through the recent leak of the Paradise Papers. Long before our trip to Russia, Moshiri had worked principally with and for Usmanov, managing the investment of his fortune, but there is an insistence that respective interests in Arsenal and Everton for the two men are entirely separated.

While frustrated for years over opaqueness in the ownership, most Everton fans will simply hope that in a billionaire owner who has also covered the club’s debts, they have a man with the means to take them higher.

Moshiri has certainly shown a commitment to spend but, as a wretched campaign has demonstrated, throwing money around is the easy part of ownership for a rich man. The harder challenge is to know your limits not in wealth but knowledge. If he had asked around, someone could have told Moshiri that sacking your manager without a clue what happens next is not a great plan.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Paddockoldie on November 24, 2017, 06:21:58 PM
He's saying we're close to signing a new manager.. this is good.
He adds it's best not to say too much until the new management team is in place and we climb the table... this is bizarre.
Is this panic management or just poor reporting?
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Escla on November 24, 2017, 06:25:36 PM
I sometimes think some things get lost in the translation, his English is not 100%
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Cereal Killer on November 24, 2017, 07:05:44 PM
I sometimes think some things get lost in the translation, his English is not 100%

Don't put poor Jim White down like that, he's been trying hard to learn!
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: cantoffee on November 24, 2017, 07:13:08 PM
Have to say he really needs to bring in a proper director of football and step back from all this.

Either that or let Steve Walsh have his chance.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Bluedylan on November 24, 2017, 08:52:51 PM
Do people think him having 49.9% is a problem, in the sense that he doesn't have complete control, which maybe enables some of these reported 'differences' and 'divisions'? The old thing about a camel being a horse designed by committee.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Ridge on November 24, 2017, 09:04:00 PM
That shareholding is enough to control anything, unless you have 1 other shareholder with rest.

Problem is that Moshiri is a puppet and nothing is being decided by him.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Lxxx on November 24, 2017, 09:07:23 PM
Some questions in the media...


https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/moshiri-latest-rich-owner-to-struggle-with-his-new-toy-cx8kn8dpz

MATT DICKINSON

The first time I met Farhad Moshiri was an odd encounter. It was October 2007 and a group of journalists were being taken out to Moscow, on a private jet (not mine), to meet Alisher Usmanov to discuss his reasons for purchasing a stake in Arsenal.

Moshiri was on the flight, though it was never really explained why as he ushered us on board. We gleaned that the one-time accountant was deeply involved in Usmanov’s company Metalloinvest, and also a football fan, but the idea that we were sitting next to a future Premier League club owner rather than a very over-qualified travel guide never occurred.

It was a strange introduction, not quite knowing what Moshiri was about. And the more we have seen at Everton over recent months the more my curiosity has returned.

What on earth is happening at Goodison Park? The fans — and more than one rival club who have dealt with them over business — have asked the same question with a growing sense of bewilderment at the league table and a chaotic managerial search compounded by last night’s Europa League embarrassment at the hands of Atalanta.

The simple answer is the very familiar teething problems of football club ownership. Everton are definitely not Queens Park Rangers, but seeing Moshiri reminds me a little of the early years of Tony Fernandes; promising the world — including a new stadium, global ambitions — but first delivering some expensive mistakes.

Both are eager to please, working media contacts in the hope of popularity as well as points, having built vast personal fortunes through graft and clever networking. They possess plenty of charm.

Both are undoubted enthusiasts, with big dreams and a child-like thrill in their train sets, but the main question that fans are right to ask is: what do they know of football? This especially matters when these owners are extremely hands-on over some key decisions while also trying to juggle their many businesses and investments, with the inevitable result that a few balls are dropped, damagingly.

They want the thrill of being involved, mixing with football people which is so much more interesting than the price of oil, but where does that leave a club’s experts, the professionals? We may well ask when Moshiri has personally led a managerial search that, more than a month after the sacking of Ronald Koeman, appears to be back where it started.

This week Everton received a cease and desist letter from Watford’s lawyers, demanding that the pursuit of Marco Silva be immediately called off — or else. But it should not have needed such a threat.

Did Moshiri really think that Watford, even if offered £10 million or more, could afford to let their manager walk out in November? Who does he think he is, Watford may well ask, looking down from the top half of the table at a club such as Everton who were wrong to take the side of the “big six” in the recent argument over sharing broadcast income.

Four points in the past two games have lifted Everton out of the bottom three but, especially after last night’s 5-1 capitulation, league fixtures against Southampton and West Ham United will be approached with very fragile confidence when the caretaker manager, David Unsworth, lurches from game to game.

Where to turn next? Steve Walsh was recruited from Leicester City as director of football but there are those at Goodison Park who question the accuracy of that title. Directing what, exactly?

Walsh is understood to have wanted Sam Allardyce, but that hardly fits Moshiri’s early proclamation: “For our club to compete in the northwest of England, which is the new Hollywood of football with [Pep] Guardiola, [José] Mourinho, [Jürgen] Klopp, we needed a star to stand on the touchline, so I got Koeman.” To reject Big Sam, then to have to go back to him, is not exactly the glamour that Moshiri had in mind?

Bill Kenwright, the chairman since 2004, will have his own thoughts but it is Moshiri who, these days, expects to call the shots. A rich owner grappling with his new toy, struggling to assert the control that he is used to in business, is not a new phenomenon. To glance down the road on Merseyside is to recall Fenway Sports Group’s false starts with Damien Comolli as director of football and Kenny Dalglish’s brief return to the dugout.

But it still comes as a shock at Everton, given how so much money was spent, the £75 million fee for Romelu Lukaku and much more besides, as Moshiri sought to demonstrate his ambition this summer. Everton had everything but a strategy (and a new striker).

Long-term, fees for Jordan Pickford, Michael Keane and Ademola Lookman may come to look decent value, but on a checklist of classic owner mistakes — overspending (Gylfi Sigurdsson at £45 million), gathering a bloated squad (Davy Klaassen at £25 million) and signings of heart over head (Wayne Rooney on big wages) — Moshiri ticks every box.

They want the thrill of being involved, mixing with football people which is so much more interesting than the price of oil.

Having a big squad of senior players makes even less sense at a club that, rightly, tries to take great pride in developing its own.

Beginner’s mistakes? Moshiri once held shares at Arsenal, selling them back to Usmanov to fund his purchase of Everton, and he has been at Goodison Park since March 2016, with his 49.9 per cent stake bought for £87.5 million.

He is still working his way to full ownership of the club, probably in the next 18 months, according to insiders who say that he is determined to see through his grand plans, including a new stadium.

There are assurances that his wealth, including the Everton investment, is independently established. This came under questioning with the announcement at the annual meeting in January that USM, the investment company for Usmanov’s vast holdings in Russian mining and metals, and digital corporations, would sponsor the Finch Farm training ground.

Questions over the depth of his business ties with Usmanov were reawakened through the recent leak of the Paradise Papers. Long before our trip to Russia, Moshiri had worked principally with and for Usmanov, managing the investment of his fortune, but there is an insistence that respective interests in Arsenal and Everton for the two men are entirely separated.

While frustrated for years over opaqueness in the ownership, most Everton fans will simply hope that in a billionaire owner who has also covered the club’s debts, they have a man with the means to take them higher.

Moshiri has certainly shown a commitment to spend but, as a wretched campaign has demonstrated, throwing money around is the easy part of ownership for a rich man. The harder challenge is to know your limits not in wealth but knowledge. If he had asked around, someone could have told Moshiri that sacking your manager without a clue what happens next is not a great plan.

Good article. Seems those that have actually met him are coming to the same conclusions as a lot of fans now.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Rodenplav64 on November 24, 2017, 09:12:41 PM
Kenwright would not have sacked Martinez or Koeman and Moshiri has sacked both . That sums his impact on the team if not the club as so long is we remain in the Premier League his investment is relatively safe . As far as the team goes by appointing Walsh and Koeman he has fucked up the team big time unless whoever comes in can do the trick for a season or so until he gets out those he ( or the DOF ) no longer sees asgood enough to take the club forward . Oh hang on ........................
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: BlueBeagle on November 24, 2017, 09:18:06 PM
Let's not even try to pretend for 1 second that Moshiri was wrong to sack Martinez
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Evertonian in NC on November 24, 2017, 09:23:49 PM
Let's not even try to pretend for 1 second that Moshiri was wrong to sack Martinez

Martinez without Rom or Barkley would definitely send us into relegation.  As could Koeman have easily done, as thoroughly as he had lost the dressing room.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: kramer0 on November 24, 2017, 10:11:52 PM
I hope someone writes a book about all this one day.

I've resigned myself to our ongoing stupidity but I would eventually like to know how we came to make the decisions we've made during this period, out of morbid curiosity.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Lxxx on November 24, 2017, 11:20:23 PM
I hope someone writes a book about all this one day.

I've resigned myself to our ongoing stupidity but I would eventually like to know how we came to make the decisions we've made during this period, out of morbid curiosity.

Kid with a new train set mentality. It's my money, my toy and I can do what I want.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 24, 2017, 11:27:04 PM
Absolutely believe he has our best interests at heart. Absolutely believe we are a better business for him being here

Football side though he's lost all perspective in an attempt to impress. It's alright when you have a don't take no for an answer policy when you're city and you're taking your pick. Having that when it's Sigurdsson though just leads to you paying more money for a lesser player than you could of got

All our dealings seem to have no concept of time management or value for money. We actually need to take no for an answer. We actually need to learn to walk away when a deal becomes too expensive.

We overpaid on the entire lot in the summer (minus sandro who's fee was set)
Even if the likes of Pickford and Keane prove worth it in the end (zero chance with Keane) we still paid way too much at the point of purchase. Had both clubs over a barrel and paid a premium both times
We are just a really really shit Man City. paying way too much for players no one better than us would consider for a second

Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: bluenuck on November 24, 2017, 11:27:26 PM
Makes a statement about us finding a new manager. People are pissed.

Doesn't make a statement about finding a new manager for a month. People are pissed.

I've come to terms that some of you lot will never be happy, will you? We could win a treble and people would still complain how we celebrated or something.

Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 24, 2017, 11:30:26 PM
Kid with a new train set mentality. It's my money, my toy and I can do what I want.

I don't even think it's that. He's too eager to please. Getting all the targets regardless of value. We should have laughed in Swanseas faces when they quoted us 50m. He needs to be more sensible. Realise some deals can't be made (at a level that suits us) and walk the fuck away quickly.

I know Walsh isn't popular but we need to at least let him have a go at the job we employed him for.

Christ if he wants Big Sam we should appoint him. That's be honest here pissing around chasing silva and simeone has got us nowhere.
Failing that sack him. We can't really be blaming him for a job he's not been allowed to do.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 24, 2017, 11:31:01 PM
Makes a statement about us finding a new manager. People are pissed.

Doesn't make a statement about finding a new manager for a month. People are pissed.

I've come to terms that some of you lot will never be happy, will you? We could win a treble and people would still complain how we celebrated or something.



Surely people just wanted us to find a new manager weeks ago.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Major Clanger on November 24, 2017, 11:31:08 PM
Makes a statement about us finding a new manager. People are pissed.

Doesn't make a statement about finding a new manager for a month. People are pissed.

Actually signs a new manager who isn't absolute dogshit or corrupt as fuck? People rejoice!
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: bluenuck on November 24, 2017, 11:32:29 PM
Surely people just wanted us to find a new manager weeks ago.

See!!

You just can't stop, can you?  :P

Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: blue1948 on November 24, 2017, 11:41:14 PM
Kid with a new train set mentality. It's my money, my toy and I can do what I want.
I can't see any justification for that remark,none.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: blue1948 on November 24, 2017, 11:43:55 PM
Absolutely believe he has our best interests at heart. Absolutely believe we are a better business for him being here

Football side though he's lost all perspective in an attempt to impress. It's alright when you have a don't take no for an answer policy when you're city and you're taking your pick. Having that when it's Sigurdsson though just leads to you paying more money for a lesser player than you could of got

All our dealings seem to have no concept of time management or value for money. We actually need to take no for an answer. We actually need to learn to walk away when a deal becomes too expensive.

We overpaid on the entire lot in the summer (minus sandro who's fee was set)
Even if the likes of Pickford and Keane prove worth it in the end (zero chance with Keane) we still paid way too much at the point of purchase. Had both clubs over a barrel and paid a premium both times
We are just a really really shit Man City. paying way too much for players no one better than us would consider for a second


And city never ever overpaid did they ,fuck me they even bought Joey Barton .
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: GoodisonPk on November 24, 2017, 11:47:21 PM
Absolutely believe he has our best interests at heart. Absolutely believe we are a better business for him being here

Football side though he's lost all perspective in an attempt to impress. It's alright when you have a don't take no for an answer policy when you're city and you're taking your pick. Having that when it's Sigurdsson though just leads to you paying more money for a lesser player than you could of got

All our dealings seem to have no concept of time management or value for money. We actually need to take no for an answer. We actually need to learn to walk away when a deal becomes too expensive.

We overpaid on the entire lot in the summer (minus sandro who's fee was set)
Even if the likes of Pickford and Keane prove worth it in the end (zero chance with Keane) we still paid way too much at the point of purchase. Had both clubs over a barrel and paid a premium both times
We are just a really really shit Man City. paying way too much for players no one better than us would consider for a second



We are about to do our own version of a treble. Martinez, Koeman and Allardyce.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Lxxx on November 24, 2017, 11:52:14 PM
I can't see any justification for that remark,none.

He makes vanity decisions without due process. Koeman was pursued and hired without interviewing him against a shortlist and due diligence as to his suitability. Walsh was pursued because of some misguided notion that he was responsible for the biggest freak occurrence in top flight sport. Both appointments have proved an utter failure as they are two completely different personalities with two differing remits.

He also takes time out to speak to Sky Sports every transfer window since he's arrived. Each time making himself look a little silly.

I get that he's now the owner of a club in a sport with worldwide appeal, every rich man's dream, but there still needs to be due process in how business is conducted. We're in danger of becoming this seasons QPR in more ways than one.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Heisenberg on November 25, 2017, 12:40:23 AM
I've seen a lot of people slating Moshiri "he knows nothing about football" blah blah

Thats the case for almost all new owners, the only way to learn is time. This is why he kept kenwright in. We'd be much better off binning kenwright and elstone and getting some proper football men in and not just romantics who will appoint any flavour of the month
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Gash on November 25, 2017, 01:19:30 AM
And city never ever overpaid did they ,fuck me they even bought Joey Barton .

Barton came through their youth set up I think.

They overpaid but they still bought decent players who helped the team to get to a position where they could then start buying players on the next level. They didn't buy several players who filled similar positions, neglected other positions and found themselves in the relegation places with less than a dozen games gone the following season. What we've done is nothing like what happened at Man City.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Ross on November 25, 2017, 01:38:48 AM
People still comparing us to City are prime candidates for emails off Nigerian princes with banking difficulties.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Lxxx on November 25, 2017, 02:49:23 AM
People still comparing us to City are prime candidates for emails off Nigerian princes with banking difficulties.

Not that I think we’re anything like City but that’s a pretty poor attempt at humour mate. Even for a Friday evening.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Ross on November 25, 2017, 02:57:36 AM
Not that I think we’re anything like City but that’s a pretty poor attempt at humour mate. Even for a Friday evening.

How much did you or one of the family members lose?
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: brap2 on November 25, 2017, 03:22:03 AM
Now at the point where I would be willing to put money on never seeing that fucking stadium.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: TheTone on November 25, 2017, 03:39:37 AM
Now at the point where I would be willing to put money on never seeing that fucking stadium.

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Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Lxxx on November 25, 2017, 04:08:44 AM
Now at the point where I would be willing to put money on never seeing that fucking stadium.

I think no firm decision will be taken until we find out what division we’re playing in next season. Understandably.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: blue1948 on November 25, 2017, 10:48:44 AM
He makes vanity decisions without due process. Koeman was pursued and hired without interviewing him against a shortlist and due diligence as to his suitability. Walsh was pursued because of some misguided notion that he was responsible for the biggest freak occurrence in top flight sport. Both appointments have proved an utter failure as they are two completely different personalities with two differing remits.

He also takes time out to speak to Sky Sports every transfer window since he's arrived. Each time making himself look a little silly.

I get that he's now the owner of a club in a sport with worldwide appeal, every rich man's dream, but there still needs to be due process in how business is conducted. We're in danger of becoming this seasons QPR in more ways than one.
Still can't see the argument : You cane him for hiring people and still reckon it is his decision to buy -not to pay for - the players . The talking to various outlets is a fundamental human right .
I feel there has been a gross overreaction to our influx of players ,the press and ourselves lead us to believe we were to become the next Chelsea or City and despite the restrictions now in place we have taken it hook ,line and sinker . Sadly now with bad management insecure performances and lack of a bit of luck we find ourselves looking up instead of down and in a far worse position than we thought we would be .It is an understandable reaction but not right . We all look for someone to blame ,some still blame Kenwright ,Walsh , Koeman ,you Moshiri and even some Martinez , in my opinion the truth lies with all of them but not one individual .
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Escla on November 25, 2017, 01:01:21 PM
I think no firm decision will be taken until we find out what division we’re playing in next season. Understandably.

Bit melodramatic that, we've exchanged contracts, legally committed to buy now.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Paddockoldie on November 25, 2017, 01:31:34 PM
Allegedly a short list of 3??
Get your money on Athos, Porthos or Aramis i reckon. We did think he'd look abroad maybe?
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: brap2 on November 25, 2017, 05:33:39 PM
Uncomfortable as it may be, kenwright probably has the better track record at the moment.

So any mad decisions that don’t seem to be in keeping with the last 20 years of fairly steady but uninspiring management of the club, especially when they go haywire, is gunna be levelled at  Moshiri.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Bluedylan on November 25, 2017, 05:47:17 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/nov/24/everton-owner-caretaker-david-unsworth-farhad-moshiri
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: School of Science on November 25, 2017, 05:52:23 PM
Uncomfortable as it may be, kenwright probably has the better track record at the moment.

So any mad decisions that don’t seem to be in keeping with the last 20 years of fairly steady but uninspiring management of the club, especially when they go haywire, is gunna be levelled at  Moshiri.

It's a shame that Moshiri hasn't been given even half the slack Kenwright has had. Moshiri has put more investment into our club in just over one year than Bill and the rest of them put in, in over sixteen years. Yes he's made mistakes but didn't the previous regime ? Three failed ground moves for a start.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: brap2 on November 25, 2017, 05:55:16 PM
It's a shame that Moshiri hasn't been given even half the slack Kenwright has had. Moshiri has put more investment into our club in just over one year than Bill and the rest of them put in, in over sixteen years. Yes he's made mistakes but didn't the previous regime ? Three failed ground moves for a start.

Not for me personally.

I’m a strictly zero slack man from now on, kenwright, Moshiri, anyone. Top class management or face the jury asap.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Rodenplav64 on November 25, 2017, 06:33:05 PM
Let's not even try to pretend for 1 second that Moshiri was wrong to sack Martinez

You got 15 likes for something I didn't say so let me clarify . I liked Martinez but think he had to go . My point was and is for better or worse Moshiri took the decision to sack him which I believe Kenwright would not have done . Likewise Koeman who was his No1 target to replace Martinez . Both show he is capable of making hard decisions that Kenwright may have rightly or wrongly shirked . We had in Moyes a Manager who would have been sacked ( as he has been since ) by plenty of chairmen for his poor starts most seasons . I think we have to get used to sacking our Manager every couple of seasons as they will obviously fail to fulfil the ambitions of our chairman if he fails to recruit the right DOF or whoever buys the players . I for one have never understood buying a player a Manager doesn't want . It leads to square pegs being fitted into round holes and you end up like we are now . Utter shite and worse than when Martinez was ( rightly ) sacked .
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: toffee_scot on November 25, 2017, 06:37:59 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/nov/24/everton-owner-caretaker-david-unsworth-farhad-moshiri

Unsworth might want to check that Duncan Ferguson is still part of his coaching staff, otherwise he might have just been transferred to Newcastle.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: toffee_scot on November 25, 2017, 06:46:18 PM
I for one have never understood buying a player a Manager doesn't want . It leads to square pegs being fitted into round holes and you end up like we are now . Utter shite and worse than when Martinez was ( rightly ) sacked .

Koeman endorsed every signing that was brought in this summer including Klaassen, Rooney, Sigurdsson and Vlasic who all traditionally play in a number 10 role and he tried to shoehorn many of them into his team selections each week. If the story is true then he also had the power to reject the recommendation to sign Belfodil from Standard Liege last January.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: arteta4spain on November 25, 2017, 07:13:44 PM
It's a shame that Moshiri hasn't been given even half the slack Kenwright has had. Moshiri has put more investment into our club in just over one year than Bill and the rest of them put in, in over sixteen years. Yes he's made mistakes but didn't the previous regime ? Three failed ground moves for a start.
That’s a valid point and you can’t really argue with that. I think all it shows is that money talks and always will. If Bill had the clout and contacts that Moshiri has do you think we’d still be at Goodison Park?
Don’t get me wrong Moshiri is an obvious benefit to the club but for me I’d rather he took a back seat in the public eye. But he can do what he wants as he’s the majority shareholder.
Bill won’t rock the boat as he’d fear Moshiri would walk and we’d be in the shit. I don’t think Moshiri is a megalomaniac, but, I get the feeling he’s not one to cross and Bill won’t as I said rock the boat.
But he does have to be held accountable from the get go when he became the majority shareholder. We can’t pussy foot saying oh he’s loaded it’ll be fine he’s got the finances to dig us out of the mess. Has he? To me ok he’s done the ground work for the stadium and other stuff outside of the pitch so to speak.
But the team is suffering and I feel like he doesn’t understand that. Maybe he does I’ll wait and see. Think Kenwright has brought him in solely for the stadium build and hasn’t really seen what he’d be like in terms of running a football club.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Shropshire Blue on November 25, 2017, 07:22:54 PM
The truth is none of us know what goes on behind the scenes, I doubt any of us have run a multi million pound business or looked to build a new stadium. I further doubt that many have knowledge of the professional game beyond watching our team, watching TV pundits and reading the press.
What we have are opinions based on ignorance and guesswork, the ability to twist someone else's money into being 'ours' and great imaginations.
Forums are great places to mentally 'step back' and watch a slightly surreal world float past. Long may they flourish! 😊
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: TheTone on November 25, 2017, 07:28:05 PM
We won't really have a chance to take off until big Usmanov or someone of his level of wealth buys the club



Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Bluedylan on November 25, 2017, 07:29:53 PM
The truth is none of us know what goes on behind the scenes, I doubt any of us have run a multi million pound business or looked to build a new stadium. I further doubt that many have knowledge of the professional game beyond watching our team, watching TV pundits and reading the press.
What we have are opinions based on ignorance and guesswork, the ability to twist someone else's money into being 'ours' and great imaginations.
Forums are great places to mentally 'step back' and watch a slightly surreal world float past. Long may they flourish! 😊

I think it's possible to extrapolate that things aren't being run well behind the scenes based upon the available evidence we do have a) transfers, b) poor communications (using Jim White as a mouthpiece), (c) sacking a manger with no alternative in mind etc etc.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: School of Science on November 25, 2017, 07:37:28 PM
Not for me personally.

I’m a strictly zero slack man from now on, kenwright, Moshiri, anyone. Top class management or face the jury asap.

If that's your stance fine mate it's up to you, be interesting to see the poll for the last manager, ( where Koeman was ejected )can't swear to it but if memories fail me, I'm sure he was the most voted for ). No one on here could have predicted the spectacular failure of Koeman after last year's relative success. Partnered by Steve Walsh it was heralded on here and many other EFC fan sites at the time as a dream team. His mistake was to sack Koeman without having a replacement lined up, I'll give you that, but lots on here, myself included wanted Koeman out even sooner. But he is the chairman and the buck stops with him, like Kenwright before him.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Shropshire Blue on November 25, 2017, 07:43:06 PM
I think it's possible to extrapolate that things aren't being run well behind the scenes based upon the available evidence we do have a) transfers, b) poor communications (using Jim White as a mouthpiece), (c) sacking a manger with no alternative in mind etc etc.
You can draw that conclusion I agree, but how it gets to this point, who did what, who didn't do what, who pressured who etc is what we don't know and without that all we can say with certainty is that, at the moment, things are wrong.
Everything else we express an opinion on is total guesswork including how the club sorts it.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Evertonian in NC on November 25, 2017, 10:19:58 PM
good synopsis of the fumbling:

http://www.espnfc.us/club/everton/368/blog/post/3283011/david-unsworth-hung-out-to-dry-as-everton-stumble-over-new-boss
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: brap2 on November 25, 2017, 11:23:32 PM
Rumours Walsh and Elstone under the hammer.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: arteta4spain on November 25, 2017, 11:55:57 PM
Rumours Walsh and Elstone under the hammer.
Elstone? What’s he got to do with this turmoil?
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Alanvideo on November 26, 2017, 12:01:16 AM
Rumours Walsh and Elstone under the hammer.
..............Might be difficult (and expensive ) .Elstone's on the board as well as being CEO . 
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Smingers on November 26, 2017, 01:03:34 AM
Elstone? What’s he got to do with this turmoil?

The fact we don't know is the point. I've never liked the smug git. Sooner we have a clear out of the board members the better
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: bluenuck on November 26, 2017, 01:09:39 AM
It's a shame that Moshiri hasn't been given even half the slack Kenwright has had. Moshiri has put more investment into our club in just over one year than Bill and the rest of them put in, in over sixteen years. Yes he's made mistakes but didn't the previous regime ? Three failed ground moves for a start.

We're in an instant gratification era. With everything. Not just sports. If anything people are going to get less patient.

It's all a bit mental. People believing every short list they see, or every rumour they read, or some random guy on Twitter telling a story about Schniederlin. It's on the internet so it must be true...
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: bluenuck on November 26, 2017, 01:15:16 AM
The fact we don't know is the point. I've never liked the smug git. Sooner we have a clear out of the board members the better

You don't even know what he does but you want him fired??

Wtf?
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Smingers on November 26, 2017, 01:17:30 AM
Lol yeah.

The board needs a reshuffle. Our club is a mess from top to bottom at the moment
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Alanvideo on November 26, 2017, 01:21:33 AM
The fact we don't know is the point. I've never liked the smug git. Sooner we have a clear out of the board members the better
.....................are you serious ?   4 of the 6 board members were only appointed last year .
The other 2 ,Woods and Kenwright are major shareholders.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Smingers on November 26, 2017, 01:45:55 AM
Don't think Elstone was appointed last year.  Or is he not on the board?
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Ross on November 26, 2017, 01:54:44 AM
Lol yeah.

The board needs a reshuffle. Our club is a mess from top to bottom at the moment

Moshiri has appointed 4 of the 6 board members, not going to be any reshuffle anytime soon.

Edit. As Alan say above^
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: bluenuck on November 26, 2017, 01:55:35 AM
Don't think Elstone was appointed last year.  Or is he not on the board?

sweet Jesus.

He's our CEO. Was appointed to the board last year.

This is pure speculation by me, but I don't think he has anything to do with the on field product. He's more on the business side of things.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Smingers on November 26, 2017, 02:00:25 AM
Sorry, I thought he was already on the board.

I must have missed that appointment announcement.

Still don't like him though
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: TheTone on November 26, 2017, 02:01:36 AM
pissing against the wind Mosh lid

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Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: brap2 on November 26, 2017, 03:42:12 AM
Elstone? What’s he got to do with this turmoil?

Shite isn’t he
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: bluenuck on November 26, 2017, 03:45:08 AM
Can anyone actually give a valid reason why Elstone is shite?
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: brap2 on November 26, 2017, 03:45:43 AM
Can anyone actually give a valid reason why Elstone is shite?

Tan.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: bluenuck on November 26, 2017, 03:49:58 AM
Tan.

Lol. That's the best in gonna get, isn't it?

And is it a bad tan, or a good tan that's bugging you?
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on November 26, 2017, 03:56:24 AM
Can anyone actually give a valid reason why Elstone is shite?


Kitbag deal.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: bluenuck on November 26, 2017, 03:59:20 AM

Kitbag deal.

From what I can find we're 7th best in the Premier league. 4 Million pounds behind Spurs.

Sounds about right on the mark to me.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: School of Science on November 26, 2017, 04:00:06 AM
Lol. That's the best in gonna get, isn't it?

And is it a bad tan, or a good tan that's bugging you?

He's supposed to be our ceo and where is he when we need him in our hour of crisis ?........ On the fucking sunbed !
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on November 26, 2017, 04:00:34 AM
From what I can find we're 7th best in the Premier league. 4 Million pounds behind Spurs.

Sounds about right on the mark to me.

Is that you Suntan Bob?
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: brap2 on November 26, 2017, 04:02:06 AM
Lol. That's the best in gonna get, isn't it?

And is it a bad tan, or a good tan that's bugging you?

It’s actually his kite that annoys me. Know plenty of lads with a tan, but he’s got a face like a team leader in Santander.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: bluenuck on November 26, 2017, 04:03:39 AM
Is that you Suntan Bob?

 lolol lolol

Seriously though. Would you disagree?
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: arteta4spain on November 26, 2017, 06:15:01 AM
Seen this? Hmmm http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/bill-kenwright-farhad-moshiri-boardroom-11588661
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: MrWhite on November 26, 2017, 06:31:35 AM
Seen this? Hmmm http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/bill-kenwright-farhad-moshiri-boardroom-11588661
Quite amusing how they call Jim White a radio station. Other than that sounds like a load of speculative bollocks.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Lxxx on November 26, 2017, 06:45:44 PM
..............Might be difficult (and expensive ) .Elstone's on the board as well as being CEO . 

Not really. He won’t be on anywhere near as much as Koeman was on and he went pretty sharpish.

Good CEO’s are plentiful if you look across other industries.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Martip on November 26, 2017, 08:54:31 PM
This prick needs to have word with himself and ask why he has not managed to bring in a remotely capable manager.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: KingOfNapaValley on November 26, 2017, 11:20:13 PM
Moshiri bought 49.9% for £87.5M
Moshiri spent a net £22.9M in his first year in net transfers in 16-17
Moshiri spent £45.7M in net transfers (after sales) in 17-18
Moshiri spent at least £5M on fixing up Goodison and arranging the new location (guess)
TOTAL spent £161.1M

Amount in turnover Everton will lose if they go down..... £110M in TV money
Amount of first year parachute payment as offset... £55M
ADDITIONAL TOTAL LOSS £55M

TOTAL EXPENDITURE £216.1M

Note that good sources claim his net worth is £1.36B So he would have a net worth loss of 16% in under two full years if we go down. How long til he decides enough is enough? And either bails or pulls back spending? This must be considered. He is not Qatar. I think we are not considering that he could start to pull in the spending reigns like Lerner did at Villa. It would have recent precedent.

In other words, this could get worse.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: KingOfNapaValley on November 26, 2017, 11:21:27 PM
duplicate, sorry
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: TheTone on November 26, 2017, 11:31:59 PM
Moshiri bought 49.9% for £87.5M
Moshiri spent a net £22.9M in his first year in net transfers in 16-17
Moshiri spent £45.7M in net transfers (after sales) in 17-18
Moshiri spent at least £5M on fixing up Goodison and arranging the new location (guess)
TOTAL spent £161.1M

Amount in turnover Everton will lose if they go down..... £110M in TV money
Amount of first year parachute payment as offset... £55M
ADDITIONAL TOTAL LOSS £55M

TOTAL EXPENDITURE £216.1M

Note that good sources claim his net worth is £1.36B So he would have a net worth loss of 16% in under two full years if we go down. How long til he decides enough is enough? And either bails or pulls back spending? This must be considered. He is not Qatar. I think we are not considering that he could start to pull in the spending reigns like Lerner did at Villa. It would have recent precedent.

In other words, this could get worse.

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Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Lxxx on November 26, 2017, 11:46:09 PM
Moshiri bought 49.9% for £87.5M
Moshiri spent a net £22.9M in his first year in net transfers in 16-17
Moshiri spent £45.7M in net transfers (after sales) in 17-18
Moshiri spent at least £5M on fixing up Goodison and arranging the new location (guess)
TOTAL spent £161.1M

Amount in turnover Everton will lose if they go down..... £110M in TV money
Amount of first year parachute payment as offset... £55M
ADDITIONAL TOTAL LOSS £55M

TOTAL EXPENDITURE £216.1M

Note that good sources claim his net worth is £1.36B So he would have a net worth loss of 16% in under two full years if we go down. How long til he decides enough is enough? And either bails or pulls back spending? This must be considered. He is not Qatar. I think we are not considering that he could start to pull in the spending reigns like Lerner did at Villa. It would have recent precedent.

In other words, this could get worse.

Bit sensationalist that like. If he disappeared tomorrow we'd be perfectly capable of running profitably as a club fine without him.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: brap2 on November 26, 2017, 11:58:45 PM
Bit sensationalist that like. If he disappeared tomorrow we'd be perfectly capable of running profitably as a club fine without him.

Are we profitable?
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Lxxx on November 27, 2017, 12:02:24 AM
Are we profitable?

I don't know whether we are at the minute as I don't study the financials like lads like theesk do on Twitter but with the money coming into the club from the new TV deal we could run the club at a profit if he left tomorrow. It might take a short period of adjustment while we cut the high wage earners adrift and cleared out the dead wood but of course it's possible.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: KingOfNapaValley on November 27, 2017, 01:00:44 AM
We use to be. But last year we lost £24M last year. And we spent £46M net this last window. Amortize that over 3 years and you get another £15M or so loss on the books this year, bringing us to -£39M.

FFP dictate we can lose £39M per year (£108M over 3 years.) So not much more can be spent without having some serious issues in 24 months when the FFP might start fining us.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: ajax_andy on November 29, 2017, 06:49:49 PM
What a false dawn this guy's reign has been so far! 

We were a solid if unspectacular club with good foundations, he's come in, spent a tonne and now we are an absolute shambles of a club.  His staff appointments have been horrendous, Walsh seems to have been a total disaster, Koeman likewise, and now we're faced with Alardyce and Sammy Lee coming in!  We've gone from being 'The People's Club' to appointing a manager 90% of the fan base do not want here, with an assistant 100% of the fan base don't want here.

If you take over a business that's running solidly, even if it's treading water, and within a short period of time it's a mess and performing far worse then there's only one person to blame, the man who took over the business. 

We are a mess, a shambles and I have very little faith in the new stadium coming off if his time in charge has been anything to go by!
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Thomas on November 29, 2017, 07:48:30 PM
This decision and whole management recruitment farce just sums up what a complete charlatan Moshiri in particular is with his embarrassing leaks to Jim White, grandiose aspirations of the big time and the very best and splashing cash...... when it allegedly isn't even his money, our NET spend has been minimal, the new ground we won't even own or fill and telling Jim White a load of shite about big players and managers coming and Barkley leaving. Now it's reduced to Sam Allardyce and probably signing Scott Dann and Charlie Austin.

I haven't heard one fucking fan lay the blame at Moshiri, Kenwright or the boards door. All because they are seemingly under the delusion  of a honeymoon period for Moshiri and tbat this new stadium is going to take us into a brave new world.

Allardyce might not be here for long although I doubt his backroom staff would accept that. But once again that's Manager No2 Moshiri has picked and once again it's been a complete disaster.

Everything the man touches is either allegedly someone else's or a walking disaster. Not having a person who doesn't support our club tear it apart, strip away it's soul and send it into mediocrity.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on November 29, 2017, 07:53:25 PM
Some people are under the impression that Moshiri trains, coaches, picks and manages the team and the 11 on the day. Get a fucking grip lids, were going to get ourselves safe, and slowly but surely improve the team, and move into a brilliant stadium in the next few years. We've kept the faith THIS long, so wind it in a bit and enjoy having your balls out on the railway lines before stepping on the orient express in a year or three ;)

Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Thomas on November 29, 2017, 07:59:37 PM
It's a shame that Moshiri hasn't been given even half the slack Kenwright has had. Moshiri has put more investment into our club in just over one year than Bill and the rest of them put in, in over sixteen years. Yes he's made mistakes but didn't the previous regime ? Three failed ground moves for a start.
Bill cared about the club though. I was and still am not his biggest fan. However we have gone from one extreme to another. A benevolent owner to a narcissistic one completely in it for his own benefit. Added to that he literally has no clue how to communicate with fans (only Jim White!) or appoint a proper manager.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Thomas on November 29, 2017, 08:04:07 PM
He makes vanity decisions without due process. Koeman was pursued and hired without interviewing him against a shortlist and due diligence as to his suitability. Walsh was pursued because of some misguided notion that he was responsible for the biggest freak occurrence in top flight sport. Both appointments have proved an utter failure as they are two completely different personalities with two differing remits.

He also takes time out to speak to Sky Sports every transfer window since he's arrived. Each time making himself look a little silly.

I get that he's now the owner of a club in a sport with worldwide appeal, every rich man's dream, but there still needs to be due process in how business is conducted. We're in danger of becoming this seasons QPR in more ways than one.
This. I have said for some time he is completely inept but I can never understand the plethora of people who respond holding a candle out for the man.

He dithers, makes bad decisions and embarrasses us and leaves our club in a worse state than when he was here and is hell bent in moving us away from our home.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: School of Science on November 29, 2017, 09:01:12 PM
Bill cared about the club though. I was and still am not his biggest fan. However we have gone from one extreme to another. A benevolent owner to a narcissistic one completely in it for his own benefit. Added to that he literally has no clue how to communicate with fans (only Jim White!) or appoint a proper manager.

Wasn't Bill and Walsh advocating getting Allardyce ? Thought myself Moshiri was after Silva.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Rodenplav64 on November 29, 2017, 09:26:46 PM
If this is ambition I would make that new stadium 30,000 .
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: bluenuck on November 29, 2017, 09:40:40 PM
Wasn't Bill and Walsh advocating getting Allardyce ? Thought myself Moshiri was after Silva.

Yup. He was after simeone as well.

And remember everyone making fun of him for that?

Now they're hating him for this appointment.

Lol. Everton fans....we could win a triple and we'd still be angry.  :)
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: blue1948 on November 29, 2017, 09:46:57 PM
This decision and whole management recruitment farce just sums up what a complete charlatan Moshiri in particular is with his embarrassing leaks to Jim White, grandiose aspirations of the big time and the very best and splashing cash...... when it allegedly isn't even his money, our NET spend has been minimal, the new ground we won't even own or fill and telling Jim White a load of shite about big players and managers coming and Barkley leaving. Now it's reduced to Sam Allardyce and probably signing Scott Dann and Charlie Austin.

I haven't heard one fucking fan lay the blame at Moshiri, Kenwright or the boards door. All because they are seemingly under the delusion  of a honeymoon period for Moshiri and tbat this new stadium is going to take us into a brave new world.

Allardyce might not be here for long although I doubt his backroom staff would accept that. But once again that's Manager No2 Moshiri has picked and once again it's been a complete disaster.

Everything the man touches is either allegedly someone else's or a walking disaster. Not having a person who doesn't support our club tear it apart, strip away it's soul and send it into mediocrity.
Not sure about the accuracy of it all but I love the heart in that post .
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Faceatthefence on November 29, 2017, 09:48:18 PM
Yup. He was after simeone as well.

And remember everyone making fun of him for that?

Now they're hating him for this appointment.

Lol. Everton fans....we could win a triple and we'd still be angry.  :)
I want Holly Willoughby but its fanciful, see were its going?
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: blue1948 on November 29, 2017, 09:51:38 PM
Wasn't Bill and Walsh advocating getting Allardyce ? Thought myself Moshiri was after Silva.
Please ,please ,please ,don't bring rationality to the table here ! We are all on a rant
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: blue1948 on November 29, 2017, 09:57:07 PM
Mr Moshiri is either to blame for the appointments ( I think he isn't ) or he is to blame for the decisions they make ( I don't think he is for them either ) or he is just the scapegoat ---That I do think .Having said that ,we are in between a rock and hard place and if I was a red I would be lapping it up .Just as you think you have hit rock bottom you get twatted on the head .My worst fucking nightmare is happening today .
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Rodenplav64 on November 29, 2017, 09:58:01 PM
Yup. He was after simeone as well.

And remember everyone making fun of him for that?

Now they're hating him for this appointment.

Lol. Everton fans....we could win a triple and we'd still be angry.  :)

He could say he was after Guardiola , Mourinho , Zidane or Conte it means fuck all .
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Rodenplav64 on November 29, 2017, 10:00:06 PM
Mr Moshiri is either to blame for the appointments ( I think he isn't ) or he is to blame for the decisions they make ( I don't think he is for them either ) or he is just the scapegoat ---That I do think .Having said that ,we are in between a rock and hard place and if I was a red I would be lapping it up .Just as you think you have hit rock bottom you get twatted on the head .My worst fucking nightmare is happening today .

OK Jim White .
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: kramer0 on November 29, 2017, 10:13:05 PM
It's not just Moshiri. It's everyone involved in making major footballing decisions.

When you have mediocre (at best) leadership, you get mediocre mid-table appointments like Sam Allardyce.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: mikey_blue on November 29, 2017, 10:19:54 PM
I'm hoping that Moshiri is just buying himself some time until the summer. Put the club into capable hands, to keep us up while he rethinks his whole approach. This is his first time running a club, and it's likely to take a couple bites of the cherry before he finds a formula that works. Disappointing but we can only fuck with the cock we've got. COYB.

If Sam has a 6 year contract though, Moshiri can fuck off and so can my previous sentence.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: eugene on November 29, 2017, 10:21:44 PM
Ffs what do you all want? We are in deep shit leaderless and full of lazy fuckers who
Think their shit don’t stink, this is what’s needed, hope he goes into finch farm tomorrow
And tells this rabble there fortunes. I’m made up to now have a manager with bollocks and for that reason I’m IN end of
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 29, 2017, 10:25:21 PM
Ffs what do you all want? We are in deep shit leaderless and full of lazy fuckers who
Think their shit don't stink, this is what's needed, hope he goes into finch farm tomorrow
And tells this rabble there fortunes. I'm made up to now have a manager with bollocks and for that reason I'm IN end of
I'm made up to have a manager with a 1.3 pts average per game
Being paid more than most of the managers in the world.
Yaay. I'm excited
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: eugene on November 29, 2017, 10:29:45 PM
I'm made up to have a manager with a 1.3 pts average per game
Being paid more than most of the managers in the world.
Yaay. I'm excited
If he keeps us up I’m all for him I’ve watched some serious shit this season. Make no mistake I don’t want him full stop but some of OUR players are taking us all for mugs! Fuckin bentleys!
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Martip on November 29, 2017, 10:31:54 PM
I'm hoping that Moshiri is just buying himself some time until the summer. Put the club into capable hands, to keep us up while he rethinks his whole approach. This is his first time running a club, and it's likely to take a couple bites of the cherry before he finds a formula that works. Disappointing but we can only fuck with the cock we've got. COYB.

If Sam has a 6 year contract though, Moshiri can fuck off and so can my previous sentence.
We can only fuck with the cock we 've got....brilliant ! :hail:
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Lxxx on November 29, 2017, 11:02:15 PM
I do think he'll ship out players like Schneiderlin and Mirallas. Players who have too high of an opinion of themselves and to be honest are a disgrace to their profession. At the very least he'll hopefully bring in some much needed professionalism back into our setup and he does have a track record of actually organising a football team properly.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 29, 2017, 11:07:56 PM
I do think he'll ship out players like Schneiderlin and Mirallas. Players who have too high of an opinion of themselves and to be honest are a disgrace to their profession. At the very least he'll hopefully bring in some much needed professionalism back into our setup and he does have a track record of actually organising a football team properly.
Everyone will and Shoukd have a clean slate. If they work hard for him then so be it.

It's a chance for everyone... Again
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: School of Science on November 29, 2017, 11:18:39 PM
If he keeps us up I’m all for him I’ve watched some serious shit this season. Make no mistake I don’t want him full stop but some of OUR players are taking us all for mugs! Fuckin bentleys!

Spot on mate we don't want him but after what I've watched this season, we need him or someone like him. For a short period, some fans have their eyes shut with their hands over their ears. We are a short a miles atm.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Alanvideo on November 29, 2017, 11:52:28 PM
Spot on mate we don't want him but after what I've watched this season, we need him or someone like him. For a short period, some fans have their eyes shut with their hands over their ears. We are a short a miles atm.
...........I think I agree with you but I don't understand the last sentence  ???
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Ell Capitan on November 29, 2017, 11:55:09 PM
What a false dawn this guy's reign has been so far! 

We were a solid if unspectacular club with good foundations, he's come in, spent a tonne and now we are an absolute shambles of a club.  His staff appointments have been horrendous, Walsh seems to have been a total disaster, Koeman likewise, and now we're faced with Alardyce and Sammy Lee coming in!  We've gone from being 'The People's Club' to appointing a manager 90% of the fan base do not want here, with an assistant 100% of the fan base don't want here.

If you take over a business that's running solidly, even if it's treading water, and within a short period of time it's a mess and performing far worse then there's only one person to blame, the man who took over the business. 

We are a mess, a shambles and I have very little faith in the new stadium coming off if his time in charge has been anything to go by!

Nonsense. We were rapidly falling apart with Martinez as manager and a Chairman that may not have fired him till it was too late.

A chance we'd have been relegated if Moshiri hadn't come along.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Waltzer on November 30, 2017, 12:02:43 AM
Yup. He was after simeone as well.

And remember everyone making fun of him for that?

Now they're hating him for this appointment.

Lol. Everton fans....we could win a triple and we'd still be angry.  :)
Do you not see the irony in what you've put?
He was after Simeone and appointed Allardyce, that isn't like debating getting Ferrari then ending up with a Lamborghini, it's more like getting a Ford.
The bloke deserves all the abuse he gets
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: School of Science on November 30, 2017, 12:03:48 AM
...........I think I agree with you but I don't understand the last sentence  ???

Ha neither do I and I typed it ! Think it meant to say a shambles at the moment. All this hysteria is getting to me, okay I get it he's unpopular, but I feel people are just jumping on the bandwagon here and trying to insult him more than the last poster. Things could not have been allowed to go on the way they were any longer. I don't blame the owners for this, I blame Koeman and Walsh for the state of the team they have left us with.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Ross on November 30, 2017, 12:07:50 AM
Nonsense. We were rapidly falling apart with Martinez as manager and a Chairman that may not have fired him till it was too late.

A chance we'd have been relegated if Moshiri hadn't come along.

We’ve just drafted in a “relegation specialist” something we’d never had to do before this fella arrived.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Waltzer on November 30, 2017, 12:17:12 AM
Ha neither do I and I typed it ! Think it meant to say a shambles at the moment. All this hysteria is getting to me, okay I get it he's unpopular, but I feel people are just jumping on the bandwagon here and trying to insult him more than the last poster. Things could not have been allowed to go on the way they were any longer. I don't blame the owners for this, I blame Koeman and Walsh for the state of the team they have left us with.
So you don't blame the owners but you blame koeman and Walsh, how does that work? Walsh is still employed by the club and by all accounts this is his work, he's loaded the club with his people and the owners are merely signing the cheques.  You cant exonerate someone who is clearly backing the person you claim to have failed the club!
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: eugene on November 30, 2017, 12:19:35 AM
We've just drafted in a "relegation specialist” something we'd never had to do before this fella arrived.
And good for us the first piece of forward thinking all season! Make no mistake mate we where on a downward spiral to the championship but aren’t we to good to go down? Ffs lets dust ourselves down tighten up and get realistic, the board have done a horses for courses and I’m for it COME ON YOU BLUES
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Ell Capitan on November 30, 2017, 12:21:53 AM
We’ve just drafted in a “relegation specialist” something we’d never had to do before this fella arrived.

We didn't have to do it now, we've chosen to. We could've chosen to do so if we'd fired Martinez at a time we were flirting with relegation. We were in similarly precarious positions when he was manager. There were points in his second and third season - further into each season than we are now - where a relegation fight looked a possibility. Roberto's grip on the squad was deteriorating, his tactics were increasingly ineffective, the vast majority of fans hated him, his purchases were poor, and we had players - even Baines(!) - in barely concealed rebellion against him. My view is a 4th season under Martinez, without Moshiri's funding, could've spelled disaster. Though, obviously we'll never know what would have happened, so I accept it's just an opinion.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Waltzer on November 30, 2017, 12:26:45 AM
And good for us the first piece of forward thinking all season! Make no mistake mate we where on a downward spiral to the championship but aren't we to good to go down? Ffs lets dust ourselves down tighten up and get realistic, the board have done a horses for courses and I'm for it COME ON YOU BLUES
I'm not completely dismissing the relegation fear but i don't think it was a real risk. Our squad is miles better than most in the league and when we get a striker we will be fine.  Sam will do fine, but so would koeman or any other manager in time with this squad, with the addition of a forward. Believe me Sam hasn't walked into any other team before with a squad of this quality or depth.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Ross on November 30, 2017, 12:30:44 AM
And good for us the first piece of forward thinking all season! Make no mistake mate we where on a downward spiral to the championship but aren’t we to good to go down? Ffs lets dust ourselves down tighten up and get realistic, the board have done a horses for courses and I’m for it COME ON YOU BLUES

Our relegation specialist might take charge of his first match withnus in mid table and a mere 7 points of our widely expected finishing slot, while there’s almost 2/3’s of the season still to go.

It’s not like we’re a drift with only a forlorn hope and only one man can save us. It’s hardly “forward thinking” as you claim.

We didn't have to do it now, we've chosen to. We could've chosen to do so if we'd fired Martinez at a time we were flirting with relegation. We were in similarly precarious positions when he was manager. There were points in his second and third season - further into each season than we are now - where a relegation fight looked a possibility. Roberto's grip on the squad was deteriorating, his tactics were increasingly ineffective, the vast majority of fans hated him, his purchases were poor, and we had players - even Baines(!) - in barely concealed rebellion against him. My view is a 4th season under Martinez, without Moshiri's funding, could've spelled disaster. Though, obviously we'll never know what would have happened, so I accept it's just an opinion.

We were never in danger of being relegated under Martinez and he bought well by and large on a limited budget.

Who knows where we’d have been if Moshiri had have given him access to funds Koeman enjoyed, may have a few more Lukaku and a few less Williams’s.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Confucius on November 30, 2017, 12:33:01 AM
I really don't think we in real relegation danger. this is a knee jerk appointment. i understand the money involved is huge and maybe 9M to moshiri to protect 150M makes sense financially, it doesn't make sense on so many other levels.

poor appointment this
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: ajax_andy on November 30, 2017, 12:43:55 AM

A chance we'd have been relegated if Moshiri hadn't come along.

Phew thank god he came in and saved us from such possibility!!!
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: School of Science on November 30, 2017, 12:45:16 AM
So you don't blame the owners but you blame koeman and Walsh, how does that work? Walsh is still employed by the club and by all accounts this is his work, he's loaded the club with his people and the owners are merely signing the cheques.  You cant exonerate someone who is clearly backing the person you claim to have failed the club!


Agree Walsh should have been sacked along with Koeman. Your first point I don't agree with these owners backed their manager with cash and not bullshit like the previous owner, can't see nothing wrong with that. Koeman came here with a good reputation and credentials so they backed him, Koeman's failed us by not replacing the striker and leaving us with ageing defenders, he left us with a disjointed team.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: School of Science on November 30, 2017, 12:48:21 AM
I'm not completely dismissing the relegation fear but i don't think it was a real risk. Our squad is miles better than most in the league and when we get a striker we will be fine.  Sam will do fine, but so would koeman or any other manager in time with this squad, with the addition of a forward. Believe me Sam hasn't walked into any other team before with a squad of this quality or depth.

If our team us so fucking good why are we out if two cups and one place above the relegation trap door ? Who in this team that is so good, is going to score all the goals and is going to stop the go a ls going in ?
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Waltzer on November 30, 2017, 12:50:53 AM
Agree Walsh should have been sacked along with Koeman. Your first point I don't agree with these owners backed their manager with cash and not bullshit like the previous owner, can't see nothing wrong with that. Koeman came here with a good reputation and credentials so they backed him, Koeman's failed us by not replacing the striker and leaving us with ageing defenders, he left us with a disjointed team.
But there is no evidence to substantiate what you've put, our net spend is no more now than it was under pauper Kenwright, he hasn't spent anything. If anything there is more bull shit now, he spouts all the time about nearly signing every superstar under the sun to Jim White. At least under Kenwright you knew what you were getting, so far this is just loads of false dawns.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Waltzer on November 30, 2017, 12:54:47 AM

didn't say it was that great, I just said there are loads worst. And also stated we needed a striker, something our board failed to deliver! We need someone to organise the defence but any manager should be able to shore that up more than it is until January, when we can address the striker issue.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: School of Science on November 30, 2017, 12:58:25 AM
But there is no evidence to substantiate what you've put, our net spend is no more now than it was under pauper Kenwright, he hasn't spent anything. If anything there is more bull shit now, he spouts all the time about nearly signing every superstar under the sun to Jim White. At least under Kenwright you knew what you were getting, so far this is just loads of false dawns.


Don't know about that mate, how many times did we break our transfer record. It now stands at £45m. The list of our transfer fee's the last two or three Windows is staggering, sadly the Pl Ayers bought with it are not. We were always sell to buy under Kenwright, three failed ground moves, I could go on. You can't compare Moshiri to Kenwright surely.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Major Clanger on November 30, 2017, 12:58:37 AM
Regardless of the relative merits of Allardyce, the fact that it took us 5 weeks of searching to come up with an answer to our problems as uninspiring as him, is worrying. (Not to mention the disastrous Watford/Silva episode, or the appointment of Jim White as de facto club spokesman.)

It's on par with the long and embarrassing chase of Sigurdsson, only to end up paying what had been asked in the first place.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: School of Science on November 30, 2017, 01:03:49 AM
Regardless of the relative merits of Allardyce, the fact that it took us 5 weeks of searching to come up with an answer to our problems as uninspiring as him, is worrying. (Not to mention the disastrous Watford/Silva episode.)


Agree both went on far too long, but Sigurdsson was Koeman's choice so Everton made sure they got him in the end, but overpaid far too much. As for the manager search, not defending it, but we tried for Silva and a few others, they couldn't get them in the end and things got a lot worse, so in the end they thought like a fair few other's there was no alternative. Sigh.
It's on par with the long and embarrassing chase of Sigurdsson, only to end up paying what had been asked in the first place.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Ell Capitan on November 30, 2017, 01:04:26 AM
Regardless of the relative merits of Allardyce, the fact that it took us 5 weeks of searching to come up with an answer to our problems as uninspiring as him, is worrying. (Not to mention the disastrous Watford/Silva episode, or the appointment of Jim White as de facto club spokesman.)

It's on par with the long and embarrassing chase of Sigurdsson, only to end up paying what had been asked in the first place.

Nah it's worse. If we'd offered Allardyce the job when he was begging for it, there's no way we'd need to pay £6m a year (if that's true) and let him call the shots around appointments like Sammy Lee. Us going back cap in hand to him is absolutely criminal in terms of how to conduct a negotiation.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Waltzer on November 30, 2017, 01:04:34 AM
Don't know about that mate, how many times did we break our transfer record. It now stands at £45m. The list of our transfer fee's the last two or three Windows is staggering, sadly the Pl Ayers bought with it are not. We were always sell to buy under Kenwright, three failed ground moves, I could go on. You can't compare Moshiri to Kenwright surely.
I'm not saying he hasn't done a good job securing the new ground, but his positive involvement is more to do with his status than a financial contribution, he hasn't risked anything, all of what he has done directly benefits him, which is fair enough as he is a business man.

And Kenwright consistently broke transfer records at the club, it's all relative though. This season if things went as planned with the sale of Barkley our net spend would have been circa 10 million, he genuinely hasn't invested hardly anything
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Heisenberg on November 30, 2017, 01:08:23 AM
We're starting to remind me of pompy and qpr. All the gear no idea
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on November 30, 2017, 01:28:11 AM
We just got pretty much dry bummed didn’t we. Only a smidgeon of gravy for lube.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Ridge on November 30, 2017, 03:55:22 AM
Do we need to panic into Allardyce appointment?

He's looking a bit worried next to Moshiri
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Confucius on November 30, 2017, 11:25:06 AM
Was Allardyc unveiled yet? Has the deal been signed?
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: toffee_scot on December 01, 2017, 04:13:49 AM
At least Moshiri did an interview on evertonTV this time.

I don't remember Bolton playing "very good football" all those years ago though.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Goaljira on December 01, 2017, 04:22:49 AM
At least Moshiri did an interview on evertonTV this time.

I don't remember Bolton playing "very good football" all those years ago though.

I'd love us to have soneone like Jay Jay Okacha was for them.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Gash on December 01, 2017, 04:31:44 AM
At least Moshiri did an interview on evertonTV this time.

I don't remember Bolton playing "very good football" all those years ago though.

"Champagne football" according to El Hadj Diouf.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Alanvideo on December 01, 2017, 05:00:16 AM
At least Moshiri did an interview on evertonTV this time.

I don't remember Bolton playing "very good football" all those years ago though.
...............well it happened at least once  nod

Everton 0 Bolton 4: Bolton’s bullies thrash Everton
Jonathan Northcroft at Goodison Park
December 18 2005,
The Sunday Times
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In the away section the scene was utterly different. Sam Allardyce has brought Bolton supporters much to enjoy over the years, but seldom an afternoon of such merriment. “We want five” they sang, “easy” they chanted, “going down,” was their goading conclusion. Everton should have enough quality to avoid the last becoming a prophecy but, after two home defeats in four days, their revival is over.

They collapsed in the closing stages, buckling under Bolton’s unique way of exerting pressure. Allardyce’s side spent the first half softening up their opponents. Everton are supposed to be robust, but they were bashed out of shape by a gang of bullies led by burly Kevin Davies, who forced Bolton ahead after half an hour.



Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Ell Capitan on December 01, 2017, 05:33:53 AM
...............well it happened at least once  nod

Everton 0 Bolton 4: Bolton’s bullies thrash Everton
Jonathan Northcroft at Goodison Park
December 18 2005,
The Sunday Times
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In the away section the scene was utterly different. Sam Allardyce has brought Bolton supporters much to enjoy over the years, but seldom an afternoon of such merriment. “We want five” they sang, “easy” they chanted, “going down,” was their goading conclusion. Everton should have enough quality to avoid the last becoming a prophecy but, after two home defeats in four days, their revival is over.

They collapsed in the closing stages, buckling under Bolton’s unique way of exerting pressure. Allardyce’s side spent the first half softening up their opponents. Everton are supposed to be robust, but they were bashed out of shape by a gang of bullies led by burly Kevin Davies, who forced Bolton ahead after half an hour.

I hardly think anyone is going to be impressed by beating us by a four goal margin these days.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Jamokachi on December 01, 2017, 06:27:01 AM
At least Moshiri did an interview on evertonTV this time.

I don't remember Bolton playing "very good football" all those years ago though.

One line that stood out was "we wanted someone who would be working on the team 24/7" (or words to that effect). This seemed to be a little sly dig at Koeman, and his time spent away, or golfing etc. I liked that.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Thomas on December 01, 2017, 09:07:25 PM
Do you not see the irony in what you've put?
He was after Simeone and appointed Allardyce, that isn't like debating getting Ferrari then ending up with a Lamborghini, it's more like getting a Ford.
The bloke deserves all the abuse he gets


Yeah but too many of our fans consider Moshiri to be like a benevolent uncle.

Because he cleared our debt (with money that allegedly isnt it) and bought our future ground (which we dont own, and without even investigating staying at Goodison) and spent loads of money on players (Net spend in comparison to rivals is minimal) they kiss his feet.

In reality, he talks a lot of shite and appoints Sam Allardyce and gets Angry Birds and his mates company to sponsor us.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Thomas on December 01, 2017, 11:29:44 PM
Seriously some of the bile you get from our fans for even questioning him during a debate in the flesh is wrong. Its like he's infallible and has done no wrong. The honeymoon period is over. Sorry.

People like @Audrey Horne (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=725)  constantly get annoyed at me calling our fans deluded or phillistines yet their lack of scrutiny on our majority shareholder all because of grandiosely presented plans (stadium/investment/managerial appointments) has all proved to be for his own satisfaction, material benefit and basically a sham. Yet our fans lap it up.

Liverpool fans never tolerated this with Hicks and Gillette. They actually had some wisdom. Our lot just seem to be far more naive. We now have a mediocre manager, a stadium move that i absolute guarantee you will not turn out the way Moshiri has planned it and will hurt ordinary fans and the club, and a net investment that is nowhere near our rivals.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Audrey Horne on December 01, 2017, 11:53:31 PM
Seriously some of the bile you get from our fans for even questioning him during a debate in the flesh is wrong. Its like he's infallible and has done no wrong. The honeymoon period is over. Sorry.

People like @Audrey Horne (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=725)  constantly get annoyed at me calling our fans deluded or phillistines yet their lack of scrutiny on our majority shareholder all because of grandiosely presented plans (stadium/investment/managerial appointments) has all proved to be for his own satisfaction, material benefit and basically a sham. Yet our fans lap it up.

Liverpool fans never tolerated this with Hicks and Gillette. They actually had some wisdom. Our lot just seem to be far more naive. We now have a mediocre manager, a stadium move that i absolute guarantee you will not turn out the way Moshiri has planned it and will hurt ordinary fans and the club, and a net investment that is nowhere near our rivals.

If you actually LOOK and read what i have said in the past, im not keen on Moshiri recently at all, not that i have to defend myself against your bullshit claims.
Title: Moshiri
Post by: Confucius on December 02, 2017, 01:24:29 AM
It's amazing what financial geniuses we have on this forum slagging Moshiri off. No owner really invests their own money unless they like Sheikh Mansour at City. Owners use their financial clout and net worth to be able to attract credit facilities etc for clubs to operate at a better level.

Kenwright could maybe secure a 10-20M pound loan. Moshiri, 300-400M as an example.

Neither use their own money.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Thomas on December 02, 2017, 01:26:02 AM
It's amazing what financial geniuses we have on this forum slagging Moshiri off. No owner really invests their own money unless they like Sheikh Mansour at City. Owners use their financial clout and net worth to be able to attract credit facilities etc for clubs to operate at a better level.

Kenwright could maybe secure a 10-20M pound loan. Moshiri, 300-400M as an example.

Neither use their own money.

Loans are legit though.

Third Party's are not if Panorama is proven to be correct (They could be wrong)
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Confucius on December 02, 2017, 01:48:48 AM
Loans are legit though.

Third Party's are not if Panorama is proven to be correct (They could be wrong)

Is a bank a third party?
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Thomas on December 02, 2017, 04:48:18 AM
Is a bank a third party?
Good point. Its a legit 3rd party.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Lxxx on December 02, 2017, 05:14:46 AM
It's amazing what financial geniuses we have on this forum slagging Moshiri off. No owner really invests their own money unless they like Sheikh Mansour at City. Owners use their financial clout and net worth to be able to attract credit facilities etc for clubs to operate at a better level.

Kenwright could maybe secure a 10-20M pound loan. Moshiri, 300-400M as an example.

Neither use their own money.

Good point and why would/should he? He’s not a fan and if I had a billion I wouldn’t put a penny of my own cash into the club either...and I am a fan.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Ross on December 02, 2017, 05:40:19 AM
Good point and why would/should he? He’s not a fan and if I had a billion I wouldn’t put a penny of my own cash into the club either...and I am a fan.

But surely it raises a concern for people who often say “it’s not my money I’m not worried”?

Given it’s not his money and we’ve obviously been wasting an awful lot it since he came on board?

Just seems a bit odd not to care about the finances because they’re the lifeblood of the club.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Thomas on December 02, 2017, 05:41:39 AM
Good point and why would/should he? He’s not a fan and if I had a billion I wouldn’t put a penny of my own cash into the club either...and I am a fan.

I think if he WAS a fan I'd be less annoyed about him taking us away from Goodison.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: bluenuck on December 02, 2017, 10:38:42 AM
Why do you guys think he's not a fan?

Serious question btw.
Title: Re: Moshiri
Post by: Lincs Toffee on December 02, 2017, 08:38:52 PM
Why do you guys think he's not a fan?

Serious question btw.
Because he's got a red Christmas tree !!